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Jang Ja-yeon (26) was found hanged to death at her home in the Bundang district of Seongnam, Gyeonggi province, on 7 March 2009.
Since the death of her parents in a traffic accident in 1999, Jang had been living with her older sister and younger brother and helped support them with her acting.
Cliff Notes:
Young Actress from Boys over flowers commits suicide.
Leaves a letter detailing how she was coerced to give sexual and other favors by her agency.
Her Agent and CEO of her company abused her for years.
They receive 2 years probation sentence (same as Mae Jae Yoon for Match Fixing)
New 500 pages of documents revealed which detail 31 high power Koreans that used her for sexual favors over 110 times, including the producer of Boys over Flowers.
Netizens leak 10 or so of these names.
Korean Government Agency tries to cover it up with false claims of fabrication
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In a seven-page letter, written a week before her death, the star of Boys Over Flowers, South Korea's most avidly watched soap opera, chronicled the sexual and other favours she was expected to extend to progress in the cutthroat "Korean Wave" of TV and film.
A suicide note left by Jang describes how she was beaten and forced to entertain and have sex with several program directors, CEOs and media executives, causing considerable debate about relations in the entertainment industry, as well as a police probe into her management agency
The villain of the piece, according to South Korean reports, is her agent, Kim Sung-hoon, who is now in Japan following accusations he molested a male model. Jang reportedly claimed Kim had regularly beaten her and forced her to have sex with a string of VIPs, including directors, media executives and CEOs. She was also forced to serve and consume drinks and to act as an escort at golf matches, she wrote.
When police raided Kim's office, they discovered a shower and bed in a "secret room" on the third floor.
In November 2010, Jang Ja Yeon’s agency representative Kim (41) and manager Yoo (31), who were both involved in the actress’s case, each received a probation sentence of 2 years of jail time and 160 hours of community service. Although Jang Ja Yeon committed suicide in March 2009 at her home in Kyungkido, because no history was found at that point, the case was labeled as a simple suicide. However, after Mr. Yoo revealed ‘Jang Ja Yeon’s document,” the case has finally come to a conclusion
Note this sentence is equal to Mae Jae Yoon (savior) for match fixing.
A 2010 survey conducted in the wake of Jang's death by Korea's National Commission of Human Rights found that more than half of some 350 aspiring actresses surveyed had been propositioned for sex.
Jang Ja Yeon, known for her role in Boys Over Flowers, sent shockwaves through the industry when she committed suicide in 2009 after being sexually abused.
The program revealed, “A 50-container/230-page document directly written and delivered to friends by Jang Ja Yeon, who committed suicide in March 2009, has been obtained. In the document, a narrative titled ‘Snow’ draws the story of how unknown celebrities are forced into an ugly entertainment industry.” The “8 O’clock News” cited the documents, stating, “The police who were investigating Jang Ja Yeon’s case knew of this fact but chose to overlook it. Jang Ja Yeon asked for ‘revenge’ in the document.”
They added, “Jang Ja Yeon entertained a total of 31 people, 100 times - being forced to give sexual favors. However, claims by representative Kim from her past agency reveals a completely different story. Jang Ja Yeon had kept records of their jobs however, and within these records, it is supposed that officials, publisher officials, corporations, financial institutions, and media officials are involved.”
Latest:
Korea is reeling with shock over the news that netizens have uncovered some names from Jang Ja Yeon’s 31 offenders. The late star’s handwritten letters were revealed a few days back, and reportedly, they contained a list naming the men she was forced to ‘host’.
The alleged list reads as follows:
* Former CEO of Chosun Journal
* Vice-President of Sports Chosun – Bang Myung Hoon
* Chosun Central Journal’s Director of Advertising – Lee Jae Young
* Chairman of Kolon – Lee Woong Ryeol
* Chairman of Lotte – Shin Kyuk Ho
* Former KBS PD, CEO of Olive 9 – Go Dae Hwa
* Producer (PD) of KBS’s “All My Love” – Jun Chang Geun
* Producer (PD) for KBS, MBC, SBS – Jung Seho
* Producer (PD) for KBS’s “Boys Over Flowers” – Jun Gi Sang
* Broadcasting/Music PD of “Playful Kiss”, “Boys Over Flowers”, “Perfect Couple”, “Goong” – Song Byung Joon (Married actress Lee Seung Min in January of 2010)
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Wow, that's all I can say.
Wow.
Things are going to be shaken up for sure.
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I figure there are these kind of things in the entertainment industry, but 31 men over a 100 times? Justice must be served!
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lol are these just copy/paste of AKP articles?
anyway sadly, shit like this goes on. SK in particular has quite a few actors/actresses/singers etc. who have committed suicide 
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Saw this on the news before this is terrible... There's no way those people are going to get away
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Death to manager. I would not hesitate to make him disabled for life if i had the chance.
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whenever i see the news these days, i say "that's so fucked up"
i don't even know where to start with this. how was she taken advantage of so much? how did they blackmail her?
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Oh my God...this is unspeakably horrible... :'[
The sad thing is, she had to resort to suicide because she somehow just couldn't tell others (whether it was pressure or whether she was too scared, etc., who knows?). Also surprising that this occurred such a long time ago, but it's definitely good that this be shown as what it truly is.
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On March 09 2011 12:53 oPPRoBe wrote:whenever i see the news these days, i say "that's so fucked up" i don't even know where to start with this. how was she taken advantage of so much? how did they blackmail her?
People in power abusing those without in the industry.
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I remember when this incident happened. There were widespread speculations, but due to lack of evidence iirc nothing much was done. It is quite sad that this has happened, and probably still is happening.
Too unjust this world is.
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On March 09 2011 12:53 oPPRoBe wrote:whenever i see the news these days, i say "that's so fucked up" i don't even know where to start with this. how was she taken advantage of so much? how did they blackmail her?
ah the note said beatings, I think there was also something to do with the contract itself, aka being unable to leave the company etc. Contract law for entertainers in Korea allows slavery basically.
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These bad guys never get punished much either. 2 years? Same as match fixing punishment for ruining a life?
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I just wish there could have been someone looking after her. Only if she had the guts to refused those things no matter the consequences.
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Kind of shocked this was allowed to go on for that long, im not one who knows korean culture one bit. If it were me I would have stood up for myself in the beginning. Does someone have some insight into why this young woman kept so quiet?
Whats more shocking is the punishment, how many years does rape get your in the US? Because thats basically what happened, rape over 100 times. Quite filthy.
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Wow what a sad story.. hopefully with this kind of thing getting exposed the likelihood of it happening in the future is diminished.
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On March 09 2011 12:58 Phayze wrote:
Kind of shocked this was allowed to go on for that long, im not one who knows korean culture one bit. If it were me I would have stood up for myself in the beginning. Does someone have some insight into why this young woman kept so quiet?
Whats more shocking is the punishment, how many years so rape get your in the US? Because thats basically what happened, rape over 100 times.
I'm not quite sure on this but it seems in a lot of such cases in Korea the victim is also blamed or have their careers ruined etc. Take that with a grain of salt, but It's a girl without parents supporting her siblings. Also beatings where commonplace as well...
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Oh my God!
Poor girl, and why only 2 years for those horrendous crimes. I've only found out about this now but I'm very sad, hopefully justice will be served.
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This is just so sad... but when I think about it, it seems like it was going to happen for sure, I mean, in Korea, there seems to be a new pop band every week and a new set of stars. The competition there must be super intense.
But that doesn't make it any less sad...
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Two years probation - South Korea is basically saying, "Go ahead."
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Despite how horrible it is to compare the two, this article reminds me of this blog.
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This isnt a surprise but the amount of detail going public is, these guys are screwed. Good riddance!
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as much as I love the spread of Korean culture and this rise of Korean entertainment really taking a foot hold in other parts of the world. This story absolutely sickens me, I can't see myself really listening to any K POP or watching any K Drama if this stuff happens in the background with not a single one of us realizing it...
It's unfortunate that Korean actors and performers don't have much rights in their business...
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Two years probation? You've got to be fucking kidding me...
Might as well tell other sex offenders, "hey guys, we gonna punish you if you do this, but just for two months, but no jail time!". So I guess you can do it many times you want.
South Korea's law is a complete joke.
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Damn. That is pretty fucked up.
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I'm not surprised it happened, just the quantity of perps involved. 31 ppl over 100 times is a lot, raising it to the level of a massive conspiracy imo. I wonder what stopped her from saying no?
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On March 09 2011 13:08 kaisen wrote:
Two years probation? You've got to be fucking kidding me...
Might as well tell other sex offenders, "hey guys, we gonna punish you if you do this, but just for two months, but no jail time!". So I guess you can do it many times you want.
South Korea's law is a complete joke.
Jailtime is their safest place now
wait this is old news.. no wonder it was so familiar
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Perverted men abusing their power. Disgusting. My question is, why didn't she just leave or go to the police. Or maybe she couldn't?
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On March 09 2011 12:55 Z3kk wrote:
Oh my God...this is unspeakably horrible... :'[
The sad thing is, she had to resort to suicide because she somehow just couldn't tell others (whether it was pressure or whether she was too scared, etc., who knows?). Also surprising that this occurred such a long time ago, but it's definitely good that this be shown as what it truly is.
I can only imagine the situation. She must of been completely hopeless, being that she committed suicide while she was supporting her brother and sister. A story like this really gets to me since there's this general feeling of hopelessness i get from it.
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What do you guys expect in a country with a patriarchal society that has had virtually no Women's Rights Movement?? Hell, similar things happen here in the US (though to a lesser extent I'm sure). You can't expect anything better in a male dominated society.
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I don't know the names of any of these people, but looking at the job descriptions it seems like this woman was being used as a call girl for big wigs in the Korean entertainment industry. I hope their companies do the right thing and not just fire them but ban them for life
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i remember that someone else gave a post about how to have fun in korea
in it he mentioned that these things were a common occurence in the korean film industry
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reading this makes my stomach feel like it is curling.I feel so bad for her T.T
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On March 09 2011 13:22 Zalfor wrote:
i remember that someone else gave a post about how to have fun in korea
in it he mentioned that these things were a common occurence in the korean film industry
yes, it's been hinted at by many people and pretty obvious this isn't so uncommon
One of the guys on the list is the 24th richest person in Korea
I believe a common route is to have film evidence/ pictures you can easily release and ruin their life etc. Even speaking out against it wouldn't work in Korean Culture. It seems they tend to "hush" things up like this instead of dealing with it. Especially as they try to be more international.
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RIP
There other suicides of actresses in the past if I remember correctly (like Lee Eun Joo (이은주) from the drama Firebird (불새)). I remember reading that her suicide had to do with some kind of nude pictures and/or some kind of sexual concern which led to depression and eventually death. Reading about this actress, I didn't know the problem with secretly forced sex was this big.
I really hope the Korean police force bring these criminals to justice and prevent future suicides of wonderful actresses.
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Wow that is really unfortunate, I feel deeply sorry for her.
@Kinky - Thanks for linking that, that blog was an eyeopener and a 5/5 read. At first I was incredibly shocked to hear Jang Ja-Yeon's story, but after reading the blog I'm a little less traumatized.
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unfortunately this is common place in the korean entertainment industry from what i am aware. lower-tier actresses/singers have to work the 'hard' way to get to the top.
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Sorry to be offtopic but I don't understand why this is resurfacing now.
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On March 09 2011 13:29 BlackMesa wrote:
Sorry to be offtopic but I don't understand why this is resurfacing now.
Names of some of the CEOs etc was recently surfaced
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the documents with the 31 names came out this week and reported on the 8 o'clock news. part of the bigger problem as the original investigation in which the police ignored it in the first place, thus leading to a really minor sentence for the 2 on probation. the authorities didn't try to help, they just kept "hush hush" about it too.
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Why did the writer feel the need to compare their sentences to ma jae yoon... he has nothing to do with this
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Burn these pieces of shit alive.
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On March 09 2011 13:33 kwlpp wrote:
the documents with the 31 names came out this week and reported on the 8 o'clock news. part of the bigger problem as the original investigation in which the police ignored it in the first place, thus leading to a really minor sentence for the 2 on probation. the authorities didn't try to help, they just kept "hush hush" about it too.
Parts of korean culture are really upsetting. It really explains Nkorea a lot more clearly as you get more familiar with it. While it's polite and overall good, it has a little too much "yes master" in it with regards to people in higher positions being able to abuse those "below/younger" than them.
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On March 09 2011 13:36 prototype. wrote:
Why did the writer feel the need to compare their sentences to ma jae yoon... he has nothing to do with this
ugh
I added that in because these guys got the same sentence as Mae Jae Yoon did for setting up match fixing and this is a SC site.
Abuse/prostitute/rape an employee for years
Match fix SC games
same probation time.
Also just an FYI, entertainers in Korea generally get screwed over in Contracts. From SNSD to anyone else the contract law in korea for entertainers is nonexistent. Companies can literally own their entertainer employees in Korea.
For instance if an SNSD member quits, she becomes instantly bankrupt (must pay back all money spent on SNSD) and blacklisted from every network in korea. They also must act in accordance with their companies wishes (slavery).
The entertainer laws in Korea also do not give any protection to people under 18. So it's legal to work them 15 hours a day or whatever you basically want, they are basically property (SC:BW/Trainees). So basically if I started a company in Korea, I could sign 12 year olds, sign them to 30 year contracts, and work them 20 hours a day as long as they are classified as entertainers. If they ever break the contract it can have wording they must pay me back any ammount of money I wish. Hence SNSD have contracts 15 years/indefinite from when they where 12 and if they quit they lose any money they have, plus because of SM entertainments power, they will be blacklisted forever.
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On March 09 2011 13:11 mowglie wrote:
Perverted men abusing their power. Disgusting. My question is, why didn't she just leave or go to the police. Or maybe she couldn't?
Because she was in a horrible situation. She was trying to feed her two siblings, and the only way she figured out how was to perform sex favors to get a chance at acting. Then she hated herself for doing it, but couldn't stand seeing her siblings starve to death either. It was either quit and watch her siblings starve, continue and have to screw dirty old perverts for favors, or kill herself and thereby not have to see her siblings starve nor deal with dirty old pervs. She killed herself.
It's logical and really fucking tragic. Life sucks sometimes.
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This is just... Disgusting. Not sure what else to say.
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Bye bye, happy society. Oh, you're coming back in a year? I'll just wait until then. WAIT WAIT, don't go to Egypt!
-_-
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On March 09 2011 13:39 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 13:11 mowglie wrote:
Perverted men abusing their power. Disgusting. My question is, why didn't she just leave or go to the police. Or maybe she couldn't? Because she was in a horrible situation. She was trying to feed her two siblings, and the only way she figured out how was to perform sex favors to get a chance at acting. Then she hated herself for doing it, but couldn't stand seeing her siblings starve to death either. It was either quit and watch her siblings starve, continue and have to screw dirty old perverts for favors, or kill herself and thereby not have to see her siblings starve nor deal with dirty old pervs. She killed herself. It's logical and really fucking tragic. Life sucks sometimes.
The laws in Korea are really fucked up only 2 years is too little but what she did is what many singers/entertainers do to climb up the ladder. If the law says its only 2 years then the law is made to blame the victim cause it doest seem to be any real justice.
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=[ I saw this on our korean channel...
Mom and dad were pretty pissed at the police officers for ignoring her records of the favors. It wasn't suicide for no reason.....
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Very depressing. Now when I see really crappy and un-cute teen girl groups getting airtime and "pushes" by TV variety shows, I can't not think of WHY they're getting endorsed. Perhaps all this abuse happens more often than we think, even in America or other countries, for that matter.
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On March 09 2011 13:36 Misanthrope wrote:
Burn these pieces of shit alive.
I don't even care about being vulgur or anything, but this.
It's just so sad to see something like this happen, and absolutely NO ONE knew about it, simply because she didn't have much of a choice to tell anyone or not.
Some people are just so fucked up, that I'm gonna go so far to say that they do not even deserve to live; seeing that they are not even humans in the first place. Absolutely disgusting.
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Jesus. You hear rumors about these sorts of happenings whenever Rekrul posts here, but it's a different thing to read this kind of thing...
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On March 09 2011 13:06 Kinky wrote:Despite how horrible it is to compare the two, this article reminds me of this blog.
Yeah... I sort of thought too reading about this news.
From that blog:
Alot of the actresses that aren't so famous are for sale on a high-end prostitution black market among korean CEO's. 10k **** yo!
Pretty horrible that these things are known quite a bit throughout Korea yet action is slow and stumbling to deal with it... hoping that things change in the future.
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Well I guess this open doors on famous K-pop groups. How did they get famous... sadly I think we can assume.
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On March 09 2011 14:14 Macabre wrote:
Well I guess this open doors on famous K-pop groups. How did they get famous... sadly I think we can assume.
Isn't it fucking obvious by now?!
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wow thats crazy. Seems like a lot is going on.
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So many 'celebs' in korea (obv not the majority) are for sale, and its cheaper than you'd think
most k-pop groups etc u see on TV performing don't make jack shit, they are under the claw of the contract they signed before they were anything
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Expected, but still disgusting.
Glad to see it get some news. Hopefully there'll be some reforms or changes, and they won't just get away with just a slap on the wrist.
Can someone link the original article? Didn't see it linked in the OP. I'm interested in how this will develop.
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man..
that is really sad.. i knew the music industry in korea among other things were really corrupt despite how glamorous it seems to many other people but..
wow.. i couldnt imagine someone going through what she had to endure..
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On March 09 2011 14:28 Garnet wrote:
I wonder if SNSD...
No question about it...
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On March 09 2011 14:28 Garnet wrote:
I wonder if SNSD...
I think they're not, or i hope so... I might be wrong maybe its more apparent on low-tier agencies or aspiring celebs.
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Well these guys run the economy. Entertainment is a large business. No surprise that they get little jail time.
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On March 09 2011 13:29 GTR wrote:
unfortunately this is common place in the korean entertainment industry from what i am aware. lower-tier actresses/singers have to work the 'hard' way to get to the top.
its not just korea entertainment industry
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On March 09 2011 14:39 Looky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 13:29 GTR wrote:
unfortunately this is common place in the korean entertainment industry from what i am aware. lower-tier actresses/singers have to work the 'hard' way to get to the top. its not just korea entertainment industry
Says who?
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On March 09 2011 14:40 kaisen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 14:39 Looky wrote:On March 09 2011 13:29 GTR wrote:
unfortunately this is common place in the korean entertainment industry from what i am aware. lower-tier actresses/singers have to work the 'hard' way to get to the top. its not just korea entertainment industry Says who?
the entertainment industry is hard to get into. you hear about it all the time about " people selling themselves" to try to be famous.
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There are stories about this kind of thing (in general terms) being not uncommon in the jpop industry as well.
Horrifying and profoundly depressing.
Hope those responsible really get what they deserve. Somehow I feel pessimistic but I can hope.
Edit: I'm wondering now if I have to make an ethical decision to stop consuming kpop. Sigh...
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D: omg, wow. That's despicable and everyone on the list who can be proven guilty needs to be punished.
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Not surprised. The music industry is a fucked up place.
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If you think this shit doesn't happen in America you are a fool. There are plenty of small "talent agencies" in the US that do this sort of thing. I don't know how pervasive it is in Korea (if the top stars have to pull this shit too) but it happens at the "low levels" so to speak of both countries.
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On March 09 2011 14:19 Rekrul wrote:
So many 'celebs' in korea are for sale, and its cheaper than you'd think
most k-pop groups etc u see on TV performing don't make jack shit, they are under the claw of the contract they signed before they were anything
wow.... sad to say but I think a part of the Hong kong singers as well.. reminds me of joey yung with her manager..
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I don't know which is more disgusting, the fact that this happened to her or the fact that these people got 2 years probation sentences.... no words as to how truly mind boggling this is.
edit: oh dear... my suzy................ >_<
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On March 09 2011 15:08 Sephy69 wrote:
I don't know which is more disgusting, the fact that this happened to her or the fact that these people got 2 years probation sentences.... no words as to how truly mind boggling this is.
edit: oh dear... my suzy................ >_<
You never know what other men she "serviced". Considering the list wasn't fully released, people in law enforcement might have been on it and it would help to reduce the sentences of the men involved in it.
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My question is why didn't she just quit the industry?
Did the high powered people threaten to kill her family or something?
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this ish happens in all asian countries not just korea.. i thought everyone knew this already.. maybe cause im korean i know
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On March 09 2011 15:11 viletomato wrote:
My question is why didn't she just quit the industry?
Did the high powered people threaten to kill her family or something?
Typical Korean contracts force you to pay if you want to opt out of your contract (if they don't kick you out). The published FTC ruling on SM Entertainment forced the money to be (Average salery earned/month)*(number of months left in contract). Of course this was more recently and hers could have been more severe. Also note the absurd math here; unless their contract is almost up (and I don't think hers was) there's almost no way you could pay that with what you were making.
Also she was suffering from depression, so this may not have been the only reason she committed suicide.
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On March 09 2011 15:13 lGy wrote:
this ish happens in all asian countries not just korea.. i thought everyone knew this already.. maybe cause im korean i know
Yeah.. I guess it's no surprise that shit like this goes on. But my ignorance never even thought of this happening... and look what we have here.
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It's why I never understand why people say they want to become famous. I'm a musician, but if I ever wanted to make a living out of it (and I don't) I sure as hell wouldn't sign to a label (here in the US at least). The internet and shit makes it entirely possible for you to promote and make money without a label (providing usual amounts of luck and talent). Sure you don't have the chance to become truly fucking rich but any musician I respect doesn't really do it for the money. Sure the money is nice but I know a bunch of people who don't really care as long as they can keep playing, have a roof over their heads, etc. Those are the musicians I respect, not the dudes who are talentless yet make it big and then spend the rest of their careers rapping about their wealth.
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I was following this story right after Jang suicide. It must be like hell for a to endure something like that. Hope that with this "new" document discover. Korea police will punish some more of these suckers.
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Though I have yet to see official confirmation or proof that people didn't just find names of dudes she's worked with and then published that. Of course if it's true they should be punished, but from what i read right now it's just internet rumors that typical Korean netizens are getting really pissed at.
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It's shocking if I hadn't got to know the Korean society better. But to be honest, this kind of crimes are extremely hard to stop as the repercussions for these young actresses are way, way too much for exposing it.
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I just finished watching BoF too.
It's ridiculous how corrupt human beings can be..
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On March 09 2011 15:01 DystopiaX wrote:If you think this shit doesn't happen in America you are a fool. There are plenty of small "talent agencies" in the US that do this sort of thing. I don't know how pervasive it is in Korea (if the top stars have to pull this shit too) but it happens at the "low levels" so to speak of both countries.
Oh why certainly it happens in America. Thanks for inciting I'm a fool though.
I'm commenting on the fact of the supposed ridiculousness of her contract and many other Korean Entertainment Star's contracts' rendering it difficult for them to get out of it. You said it yourself that she probably couldn't escape the contract without incurring drastic losses... If something like this came up in American courts you better believe she could terminate her contract, sue in court, and end up winning.
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On March 09 2011 15:25 DystopiaX wrote:
Though I have yet to see official confirmation or proof that people didn't just find names of dudes she's worked with and then published that. Of course if it's true they should be punished, but from what i read right now it's just internet rumors that typical Korean netizens are getting really pissed at.
as far as i know, from reading the newspaper, she had kept a diary of sorts, tracking where, when and who she was forced to sleep with. this diary was kept with a friend and only today (2 years to the day she committed suicide) is being released and given to the cops.
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Really sad to hear.... 휴...
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On March 09 2011 15:40 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 15:01 DystopiaX wrote:If you think this shit doesn't happen in America you are a fool. There are plenty of small "talent agencies" in the US that do this sort of thing. I don't know how pervasive it is in Korea (if the top stars have to pull this shit too) but it happens at the "low levels" so to speak of both countries. Oh why certainly it happens in America. Thanks for inciting I'm a fool though. I'm commenting on the fact of the supposed ridiculousness of her contract and many other Korean Entertainment Star's contracts' rendering it difficult for them to get out of it. You said it yourself that she probably couldn't escape the contract without incurring drastic losses... If something like this came up in American courts you better believe she could terminate her contract, sue in court, and end up winning.
No offense intended, really tired right now and my words get kinda harsh.
But yeah, I was also surprised that Korean companies can get away with that shit.
Big problem IMO is the trainee system; the companies spend so much money investing in potential that may not even ever debut so they exploit their artists in order to make it back up. Artists can't do anything because all companies do this so there's no good alternative.
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This is so horrible =(... Yeah things like this do happen in America too, but when its exposed the culprits face more than a god damn 2 year jail sentence. The company who employed the people that forced this on her would be run into the ground with legal penalties too. I hope someone goes boondock saints on these pieces of shit.
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I don't really understand what's going on here. It feels like information is missing. Some questions:
- How was she forced into this? Specifically how. All I'm getting is that she was forced.
- Why wasn't it reported by her?
- What possible charges could these people face? It's not like its non-consensual if she was acting as an escort right? I mean who is the hand here?
I dunno this feels weird. Was there any actual blackmail? Couldn't she just walk away? I'm not blaming her or anything, but It seems like some facts are missing.
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On March 09 2011 16:16 keV. wrote:
I don't really understand what's going on here. It feels like information is missing. Some questions:
- How was she forced into this? Specifically how. All I'm getting is that she was forced.
- Why wasn't it reported by her?
- What possible charges could these people face? It's not like its non-consensual if she was acting as an escort right? I mean who is the hand here?
I dunno this feels weird. Was there any actual blackmail? Couldn't she just walk away? I'm not blaming her or anything, but It seems like some facts are missing.
Threats, beatings, and obviously having her in a contract with his company, the CEO was in on it too. It's not too hard and Korea (supposedly) blames the victims too in cases like this. Hence she reports it, they post pictures of her nude or w.e. Her career is over, bosses get away free, etc. It's a completely one sided industry / settup.
I forget the actually description, but basically it's a "shame" culture instead of a "guilt" culture and very much more predisposed to side with powerful/leading/older figures. For an instance in the difference in culture just look at how GSL winners gave their parents most of their money in some cases.
note though, don't take things I say as 100% truth, as I'm not any type of expert just slightly knowledgeable.
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agh how is this even comparable to savior matchfixing...
Actually this is similar to the treatment of Wall Street CEOs after they wrecked the financial industry- light tap on the wrist.
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Wow, that sucks bad
All those culprits should be publicly named and jailed for life
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On March 09 2011 16:40 DisaFear wrote:
Wow, that sucks bad
All those culprits should be publicly named and jailed for life
to bad that the justice system for korea is different from america
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Hopefully this will be the catalyst to spark more of the entertainers to stand up for themselves and demand more rights from the entertainment companies. We've already seen 동방신기 (Dongbangshingi) and some members of one of the girl bands (I forget which) fighting back.
I wonder if the 소녀시대 (Girl's Generation) girls were ever forced to do this kind of stuff. I really hope not.
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Unions won't be able to change anything in Korea's entertainment industry. + Show Spoiler + Things are too hard line capitalist and their government has barely any idea of how to make any headway. Just look at the music portion, their FTC, a few days ago, had issued a fine amongst the digital distributing companies due to their price fixing.
This sounds like the government is working, but it isn't. They went in hoping to protect the consumers from unfair practices and they took a sum of money all of the companies involved.
What's the problem?
The consumers were not coming under threat from the price fixing, far from it, they are relishing it. Price fixing usually a means of gouging the consumers, but this was their tool of keeping the Korean market isolated from iTunes, Amazon, and other such digital music stores. They were undercutting, insanely so, by about 30-40% and even going so far do a package deal, consumer pays a fixed sum per month and gets a bulk of songs for like .12 USD a piece.
The tool the government used to fight this battle was a fine, not legislation, a demand for sums of money. The fines were for most of the business in the million USD range. A sum that these companies easily recoup from their combined sales.
The people getting the shaft were the artists. The money break down is pretty much this: the distributors themselves take 40-45%, the record label takes 30%, the government created union-like body, which serves to insure that artists have a venue to get proper publishing and copyright management, takes their due of 10%, artist gets the remainder. Now apply those percentages to the .12 usd.
The government doesn't care, the society is happy, and the industry is rich.
How are union lobbyists going to fight this?
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That's fucking terrible that things like this happens.
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On March 09 2011 16:16 keV. wrote:
I don't really understand what's going on here. It feels like information is missing. Some questions:
- How was she forced into this? Specifically how. All I'm getting is that she was forced.
- Why wasn't it reported by her?
- What possible charges could these people face? It's not like its non-consensual if she was acting as an escort right? I mean who is the hand here?
I dunno this feels weird. Was there any actual blackmail? Couldn't she just walk away? I'm not blaming her or anything, but It seems like some facts are missing.
Korea is much more corrupt than most other developed countries. People with money have imba power in the country, to the extent where they can manipulate the law. A similar case regarding corruption happened several months ago, where a korean musician was exploited and abused by his agency. His ceo bribed the police to keep quiet. Afaik, neither his agency nor the policemen involved were arrested. The justice system in that country is a joke.
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What's really sad is that this would have gotten no attention at all if she wasn't famous.
Imagine all the shit that ppl are going through, people that are in her position who, even if they committed suicide, wouldn't get their story heard.
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wtf... these people are terrible. i hope they get what they deserve.
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This sort of stuff is just sick. And the worst part is its probably worse in other neighboring countries as well... come on korean justice system, give them what they deserve.
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On March 09 2011 18:58 Roflhaxx wrote:
Why am I not surprised?.
Are we supposed to know? lol
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Nothing new under the sun. Seems like no matter what religion you subscribe to, give men some power and they'll start absuing young girls.
Poor girl. What a life she lead. . .
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It's shocking, but this is kinda normal in Korea sadly. Kinda like Korean corruption is under the radar, but it's pretty rampant too. I hope this will make things more transparent and this power abusing shit happens way less often and punished according.
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very sad to read, that's really terrible. 2 years probation does not seem like an adequate sentence for those crimes.
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sad, If it was up to me I'd keelhaul every single one of them.
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The vast majority of actresses in Asia preform sexual favors. This is common place and part of the industry. Directors get to choose who they want in their projects.
None of the roles requires exceeding acting talent and there are countless gorgeous actresses in Asia who "look the part"..so..you figure out what the potential starlett, who just needs one big break, will do to make sure SHE gets on the set.
What is the "shame" (no pun intended) is that she had to make herself into a martyr for these events to come to light.
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Reading this sort of scandal just makes me feel completely sick... All those names and all the times she was forced into it... ugh.
* Broadcasting/Music PD of “Playful Kiss”, “Boys Over Flowers”, “Perfect Couple”, “Goong” – Song Byung Joon (Married actress Lee Seung Min in January of 2010)
Maybe I'm too innocent for thinking like this, but how did this guy manage to do it with his fiancée (at the time, I assume) being a fellow actress? I mean, isn't she like 20 years younger than him? Did he need more?
I don't know, this...stuff just has to stop somehow.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:39 Redunzl wrote:
The vast majority of actresses in Asia preform sexual favors. This is common place and part of the industry. Directors get to choose who they want in their projects.
None of the roles requires exceeding acting talent and there are countless gorgeous actresses in Asia who "look the part"..so..you figure out what the potential starlett, who just needs one big break, will do to make sure SHE gets on the set.
What is the "shame" (no pun intended) is that she had to make herself into a martyr for these events to come to light.
and you think this doesn't happen in western cultures either?
obviously, the vast majority of korean actresses/singers are not whores (but still alot of them just from pure quantity)
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That goes beyond fucked up.
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I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_-
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this reminds me of marilyn monroe's famous statement that she spent the better part of her first year in hollywood on her knees, now that's pure bitter truth right there
this is a truely universal problem for aspiring actresses - and even actors on occasion
even if a couple heads fall for this particular case, the shit will just keep on going, and the maximum that can be done is to limit the abuses by a small margin - the big guys never will pay in full for such abuse, and they got enough cash to cover the costs of getting off easy.
also let's not forget that, to be honest, many victims of this kind of abuse don't mind it that much, as long as it gets them where they need to go - i would assume this to be more true for the western mentality though, i'm not familiar with asian cultural perceptions. still, this further complicates the issue.
a sad story nonetheless
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Man, this is like taken out of a japanese porn story. Only that it's real.
So sad.
Edit. To be honest, if it was just one dumb slut sleeping her way to success, then it'd be all cool. But her family background and situation just makes it horrible. Despicable exploitation of the weak by the powerful in its worst form.
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Sad story, but the title of this thread is actually horrible.
"Hidden Side of S Korea" makes it seem like this is some sort of on going event where every TV/Pop star is forced into a sort of sex slavery relationship. I don't see why the latter part of the title was necessary or even thought of. If this was a story about the drug trade in Mexico and you put "Hidden Side Of Mexico" before the stories became popularized it would make sense but in this situation is almost seems like a bashing of everyone in South Korea.
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Canada13389 Posts
Pretty messed up :S its too bad she didn't have the support systems in place to turn to to escape this form of sexual, physical and what amounts to economic abuse. Goes to show there doesn't need to be a lock on a door to abuse and trap a woman
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This so remembers me of the movie "Perfect Blue".
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On March 09 2011 22:33 plated.rawr wrote:Man, this is like taken out of a japanese porn story. Only that it's real. So sad.
Real, sad and sooo fucked up.
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T.T Wow, such a sad story. And those criminals are getting away with assault and rape with no jail time. What kind of image does that send? I'm just surprised at the cultural differences on this matter. In some parts of the US, rape is punishable by death.
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Doesn't seem like much is being done about this.
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On March 09 2011 23:23 arcticStorm wrote:
T.T Wow, such a sad story. And those criminals are getting away with assault and rape with no jail time. What kind of image does that send? I'm just surprised at the cultural differences on this matter. In some parts of the US, rape is punishable by death.
In US, guys rape their girlfriends.
More often than not, it doesn't get reported.
User was warned for this post
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On March 09 2011 23:28 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 23:23 arcticStorm wrote:
T.T Wow, such a sad story. And those criminals are getting away with assault and rape with no jail time. What kind of image does that send? I'm just surprised at the cultural differences on this matter. In some parts of the US, rape is punishable by death. In US, guys rape their girlfriends. More often than not, it doesn't get reported.
Rape is very under-reported in the US.
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The world keeps finding new ways to surprise me , and not in a good way
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It's very tragic, but to be honest I'm not surprised and I don't think anyone really cares. All of these girls in the Korean entertainment industry are treated like shit and like pets because all they're meant to do is make money.
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This is just disgusting...
I hope this is causing public outrage in S.Korea. Shit like this needs to stop.
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I'm not too surprised this happens now and again. Of course, I'd rathest see the villain prosecuted as strongly as possible. What a horrible way to use your power...
On the other hand, I wonder what kept her in that position. Did she go along with all of this just to pursue or keep her career? Wasn't it possible to drop all of it and start over? What would have happened if she refused?
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On March 09 2011 12:57 jinorazi wrote:
I just wish there could have been someone looking after her. Only if she had the guts to refused those things no matter the consequences.
Fuck you very much asshole. You blame the victim for not having guts? Fuck off.
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Unbelievable. So many people blaming the victims. Do you know how often victims internalize the blame and do not and cannot leave the abusive situations?
In US, guys rape their girlfriends.
More often than not, it doesn't get reported.
User was warned for this post
The mod who warned him should apologize.
Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1
Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though they make up about 10% of all victims.1
Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.1
73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.1
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.1
28% are an intimate.1
http://www.rainn.org/statistics
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i don't know whether matchfixing sentences were too harsh or if these people had easy sentences
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In some parts of the US, rape is punishable by death.
In no part of the US is rape punishable by death.
The United States Supreme Court prohibited capital punishment for rape in a 1977 case, Coker v. Georgia, in which the victim, while only 16 years old, was married and had the legal status of an adult.
And after Kennedy v Louisiana there is no more death penalty for rape of a child either.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/washington/26scotuscnd.html
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On March 10 2011 00:36 aseq wrote:
I'm not too surprised this happens now and again. Of course, I'd rathest see the villain prosecuted as strongly as possible. What a horrible way to use your power...
On the other hand, I wonder what kept her in that position. Did she go along with all of this just to pursue or keep her career? Wasn't it possible to drop all of it and start over? What would have happened if she refused?
Her contract was designed so that she is not allowed to work anymore as an actress if she quits, so she could not change to a different company. I guess her income was needed for her family with her parents dead, so completely quitting her career was not possible.
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Calgary25987 Posts
On March 10 2011 00:50 redviper wrote:Unbelievable. So many people blaming the victims. Do you know how often victims internalize the blame and do not and cannot leave the abusive situations? Show nested quote +In US, guys rape their girlfriends.
More often than not, it doesn't get reported.
User was warned for this post The mod who warned him should apologize. Show nested quote +Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1
Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though they make up about 10% of all victims.1
Show nested quote +Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.1
73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.1
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.1
28% are an intimate.1
http://www.rainn.org/statistics
He was warned for statement 1, not 2. I will not apologize.
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It makes me sad when i think about all those other girls who are in the same situation without anyone knowing.
Damn this is fuzzed up :/
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Considering how fanatic and batty korean fans can be I am wondering that none of the culprits got abused/killed/whatver.
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On March 10 2011 01:04 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 00:50 redviper wrote:Unbelievable. So many people blaming the victims. Do you know how often victims internalize the blame and do not and cannot leave the abusive situations? In US, guys rape their girlfriends.
More often than not, it doesn't get reported.
User was warned for this post The mod who warned him should apologize. Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1
Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though they make up about 10% of all victims.1
Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.1
73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.1
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.1
28% are an intimate.1
http://www.rainn.org/statistics He was warned for statement 1, not 2. I will not apologize.
28% are an intimate. <-- BF/husbands. 28% of the rapes are by an intimate and you think the statement is wrong or somehow extreme?
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Calgary25987 Posts
On March 10 2011 01:38 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 01:04 Chill wrote:On March 10 2011 00:50 redviper wrote:Unbelievable. So many people blaming the victims. Do you know how often victims internalize the blame and do not and cannot leave the abusive situations? In US, guys rape their girlfriends.
More often than not, it doesn't get reported.
User was warned for this post The mod who warned him should apologize. Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported.1
Males are the least likely to report a sexual assault, though they make up about 10% of all victims.1
Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.1
73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.1
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.1
28% are an intimate.1
http://www.rainn.org/statistics He was warned for statement 1, not 2. I will not apologize. 28% are an intimate. <-- BF/husbands. 28% of the rapes are by an intimate and you think the statement is wrong or somehow extreme?
PMd.
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Imagine how many women in the same kind of situations don't commit suicide so it never comes to light.
Or, like so many Hollywood actresses, it only gets revealed in an autobiography decades later when the perpetrators are long dead.
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Korea is reeling with shock over the news that netizens have uncovered some names from Jang Ja Yeon’s 31 offenders. The late star’s handwritten letters were revealed a few days back, and reportedly, they contained a list naming the men she was forced to ‘host’.
The alleged list reads as follows:
* Former CEO of Chosun Journal
* Vice-President of Sports Chosun – Bang Myung Hoon
* Chosun Central Journal’s Director of Advertising – Lee Jae Young
* Chairman of Kolon – Lee Woong Ryeol
* Chairman of Lotte – Shin Kyuk Ho
* Former KBS PD, CEO of Olive 9 – Go Dae Hwa
* Producer (PD) of KBS’s “All My Love” – Jun Chang Geun
* Producer (PD) for KBS, MBC, SBS – Jung Seho
* Producer (PD) for KBS’s “Boys Over Flowers” – Jun Gi Sang
* Broadcasting/Music PD of “Playful Kiss”, “Boys Over Flowers”, “Perfect Couple”, “Goong” – Song Byung Joon (Married actress Lee Seung Min in January of 2010)
What. The. Fuck.
This is disturbing as fuck.. I'm so disgusted right now.
Obviously just the tip of the iceberg, I wonder if maybe other girls will come out with the truth as response to this? Clearly shows there's a huuuuge fucking problem. And those sentences..
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On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_-
완전동감. 법이 이놈들을 못잡으면, 평민들이 이개새끼들을 자에인으로 만들어놔야 할탠대...
죽음은 이놈들한탠 부족하다는 생각이드네요.
just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all.
if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage.
please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them.
it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants.
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please never use RAINN statistics for USA
They give out surveys like "have you ever felt uncomfortable during sex, or pressured to have it with your bf"
a yes response = rape etc, also statuatory "rape". etc
They basically inflate their numbers as high as humanly possible to attract more funding /surprise.
REAL FBI NUMBERS
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
# The rate of forcible rapes in 2009 was estimated at 56.6 per 100,000 female inhabitants, a 3.4 percent decrease when compared with the 2008 estimated rate of 58.6.
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On March 10 2011 06:43 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_- 완전동감. 법이 이놈들을 못잡으면, 평민들이 이개새끼들을 자에인으로 만들어놔야 할탠대... 죽음은 이놈들한탠 부족하다는 생각이드네요. just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all. if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage. please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them. it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants.
I don't believe you intend this but when you say "have guts" and to not lower themselves you seem to imply that the person being sexually abused is somehow responsible for causing or has to power to aviod the situation ,which in the majority of cases is simply not true.
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my question is what happened to the show when she committed suicide?
obviously her character couldn't take part anymore, but did she have a serious ongoing role, or was it just a small role, how exactly did they play this out? anyone who watched BOF
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Netherlands45349 Posts
On March 10 2011 07:11 BoldMan wrote:
my question is what happened to the show when she committed suicide?
obviously her character couldn't take part anymore, but did she have a serious ongoing role, or was it just a small role, how exactly did they play this out? anyone who watched BOF
She played a small role,(like in High school she was the ''Mean girls'' Club which showed up like once every episode for 1-5 minutes or not at all). It ran from January 2009 till March 31. So filmping was already wrapped up I assume.
Still it is disgusting but not unheard of I believe. The actress industry is littered with pretty looking faces and its most likely blackmail in terms of, you either provide those ''services''(ugh this sentence that I write disgusts me) or you are out of a job. And its hard getting a job at all I assume.
After reading the article thoroughly, it makes me sad that she committed suicide. But boy, that ''black book'' of her will hopefully bring justice to the perpetrators(or atleast a semblence of it).
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I think that what he meant is that the industry is taking advantage of the South Korean popculture and entertainment industry to transform girls into objects; and the girls willing to become actresses must be aware of this to some extent, but are clearly underestimating it.
As a consequence, word should be spread that being an idol isn't as glamour as it looks like, and that any girl should avoid it at all costs unless she is willing to sell herself for money.
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On March 10 2011 07:09 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_- 완전동감. 법이 이놈들을 못잡으면, 평민들이 이개새끼들을 자에인으로 만들어놔야 할탠대... 죽음은 이놈들한탠 부족하다는 생각이드네요. just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all. if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage. please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them. it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants. I don't believe you intend this but when you say "have guts" and to not lower themselves you seem to imply that the person being sexually abused is somehow responsible for causing or has to power to aviod the situation ,which in the majority of cases is simply not true.
what i wanted to say is, what would have been the consequences if she had refused? i dont see how she couldn't refuse. if she had refused, her career could have been over, her image smeared and whatnot but not refusing resulted in agony and later death.
i just hope that more girls can be stronger so that they won't be swayed by something like this no matter the reason...but i do understand it could get very complicated and varies by person and the situation. let these rooms filled with girls that are willing to do it(i'm 100% sure there are, just like there are gold diggers) instead of forcing a girl who doesn't want to.
"The National Human Rights Commission last year conducted a survey of 351 women engaged in or hoping to enter into the domestic entertainment industry and found that 60.2 percent had been requested to engage in sexual relationships. About half of these said they faced disadvantages in casting once they turned down the demand."
this is sickening.
i hope people like JYP can stand up and set up new standards to protect entertainers from shit like this.
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On March 09 2011 12:45 dacthehork wrote:
* Chairman of Kolon – Lee Woong Ryeol
Woah, the company I work for is a subsidiary of that company, and I've gone through a lot of contracts signed by that guy.
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Tragic story. Sad but perhaps inevitable that such an enviable public culture of politeness and respect has this dark side to it, especially male/adult dominance over women/children.
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thats bullshit same sentence as ma jae yoon for match fixing? what the fuck in this country they would get life in prison wow fucking bullshit to the highest degree jsut ranting but if that is savior's match fixing sentence savior should be allowed to do whatever he wants without any disgrace and i dont give a fuck who thinks otherwise-jsut voicing opponion -_-
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It's understood that Hollywood sells Californication. Casting couch and such crap happens all over. Sad they killed themselves though.
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Yeah, Hollywood has rampant casting couch type stuff. Although there are a ton more "pop" type young women in korean entertainment scene. This case is a little different in that it was more forced with beatings etc and coercion.
Roman Polanski, etc, if you have the money or connections you can get away with a lot of shit.
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fucking morons rly some people in this world are so fucked up
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I've heard a lot of stories about things like this happening to the up and coming celebrities, but didn't think it would be anything to this extent. This is terrible and sad. Wow.
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everywhere in the world its just people use money to their power ....
jesus christ we should let SMART Intelligent people create a balanced system. This stuff makes me fucking pissed
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if there is a hell - and stuff like this makes me hope there is - there is a special place waiting for these bastards
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On March 10 2011 07:28 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 07:09 AdamBanks wrote:On March 10 2011 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_- 완전동감. 법이 이놈들을 못잡으면, 평민들이 이개새끼들을 자에인으로 만들어놔야 할탠대... 죽음은 이놈들한탠 부족하다는 생각이드네요. just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all. if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage. please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them. it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants. I don't believe you intend this but when you say "have guts" and to not lower themselves you seem to imply that the person being sexually abused is somehow responsible for causing or has to power to aviod the situation ,which in the majority of cases is simply not true. I hope people like JYP can stand up and set up new standards to protect entertainers from shit like this.
Whut? JYP? If someone can save this industry, I don't think it is JYP.
+ Show Spoiler +
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How people can do this to a girl is beyond me. How can you live with yourselves you scum!
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Happens every day to millions of woman,
famous woman is abused the same way and the media is all about it.
It's tragic and S Korea has fallen abit in my eyes for not giving people more than 2 years probation regarding this.
Seriously fuck Julia Assenge, no bullshit like this could happen in sweden.
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On March 10 2011 09:53 B.I.G. wrote:
if there is a hell - and stuff like this makes me hope there is - there is a special place waiting for these bastards
there isn't. thats why i'm hoping there will be justice now
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Her agent's disgusting actions directly lead to her committing suicide and therefore must be punished severely.
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Did you watch the video? I can't blame him at all for having a "creeper face"
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Such a sad story, its truly a shame that two years had to pass before it started getting the attention it deserved.
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I remember hearing about this shortly after watching Boys Over Flowers 6 months ago, and it still shocks me. Although her character had a minor role, I didn't think anything like this would happen. Hopefully things will change.
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On March 10 2011 10:13 NicksonReyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 07:28 jinorazi wrote:On March 10 2011 07:09 AdamBanks wrote:On March 10 2011 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_- 완전동감. 법이 이놈들을 못잡으면, 평민들이 이개새끼들을 자에인으로 만들어놔야 할탠대... 죽음은 이놈들한탠 부족하다는 생각이드네요. just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all. if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage. please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them. it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants. I don't believe you intend this but when you say "have guts" and to not lower themselves you seem to imply that the person being sexually abused is somehow responsible for causing or has to power to aviod the situation ,which in the majority of cases is simply not true. I hope people like JYP can stand up and set up new standards to protect entertainers from shit like this. Whut? JYP? If someone can save this industry, I don't think it is JYP. + Show Spoiler +
What? All that speculation just from a smile?? Or am i missing something?
I repect for him for what he has achieved and was hoping he shares the same views as majority of other people but who knows. :/
Ive liked him since he was a co-mc in "friday night" and regarded him as a decent human being but i could be wrong. But i sincerely hope someone within the industry starts a union like organization to protect themselves. This event should not repeat.
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^shouldn't but does around the world. The U.S. has unions for actors and this shit still does happen, because there are too many small companies and bit actors/actresses to keep track of them all.
That being said, if that list is true there's a hell of a lot of insanely powerful people on there and I hope they get what they deserve.
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These kinds of stories really make me hate people/the world sometimes...absolutely awful.
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We should all realize this is probably indicative of a much larger problem.
If her story is true, I'm sure it's all too common with the entertainment industry there.
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On March 10 2011 13:54 cursor wrote:
We should all realize this is probably indicative of a much larger problem.
If her story is true, I'm sure it's all too common with the entertainment industry there.
I think we'd be surprised how many Western countries have stuff like this happening in the entertainment industry too...
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So why is it when something awful happens outside of the US, people talk about the COUNTRY, like:
"12 cats butchered by crazy man in Germany"
"Girl gang raped by 20 men in China"
Then people talk about how messed up that country is. Then when something happens in the US, people just talk about crazy/bad people and don't bring up country. Why did this story need to be about S. Korea? Sexual harassment in the workplace doesn't take place in the states? No actress in America has ever been coerced into sex for a job/role? I'm confused what delusional world you people are living in.
Now, about the GIRL, it is a tragedy this happened and that there was no one to help her. I hope the men are punished brutally, but that is too much to hope.
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Well, it's the entertainment industry. Some move from supporting roles to main roles, and vise versa. There must be reason behind all the promotions; and some of those reasons don't actually sound really good. It's actually pretty common in real life.
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On March 10 2011 16:39 Ocedic wrote:
So why is it when something awful happens outside of the US, people talk about the COUNTRY, like:
"12 cats butchered by crazy man in Germany"
"Girl gang raped by 20 men in China"
Then people talk about how messed up that country is. Then when something happens in the US, people just talk about crazy/bad people and don't bring up country. Why did this story need to be about S. Korea? Sexual harassment in the workplace doesn't take place in the states? No actress in America has ever been coerced into sex for a job/role? I'm confused what delusional world you people are living in.
Now, about the GIRL, it is a tragedy this happened and that there was no one to help her. I hope the men are punished brutally, but that is too much to hope.
If you actually read the thread, you'd know that plenty of people have said that this isn't a South Korean phenomenon.
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On March 10 2011 06:51 dacthehork wrote:
please never use RAINN statistics for USA
They give out surveys like "have you ever felt uncomfortable during sex, or pressured to have it with your bf"
a yes response = rape etc, also statuatory "rape". etc
They basically inflate their numbers as high as humanly possible to attract more funding /surprise.
REAL FBI NUMBERS
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
# The rate of forcible rapes in 2009 was estimated at 56.6 per 100,000 female inhabitants, a 3.4 percent decrease when compared with the 2008 estimated rate of 58.6.
the UCR severely under reports crimes..
for example rape + murder should be counted as 2 crimes but in the UCR its counted as one and as murder only. Its what they call the dark figure of crime.. using the UCR as a basis of statistics is almost absolute crap. Rape is the #1 under reported crime in the U.S. and im not disagreeing with your RAINN statistics since i dont know about it at all.
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On March 10 2011 14:09 Maynarde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 13:54 cursor wrote:
We should all realize this is probably indicative of a much larger problem.
If her story is true, I'm sure it's all too common with the entertainment industry there. I think we'd be surprised how many Western countries have stuff like this happening in the entertainment industry too...
I wouldnt be.
You always get some scraps of the big picture from time to time on the news. A model molested here an actress there and so on. I dont think you can get into the entertainment/model industry as a woman without sexual favors. It is the sad truth.
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I have no idea how famous this girl was, but I've heard of many cases outside South Korea (mainly from Denmark, since I live there) about young models and such with dreams of becoming super models being abused sexually. It's obviously disgusting, but I just wanted to mention it because it seems like some people think this is specific to South Korea - It's not.
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This isn't a South Korean phenomenon, but it's still particularly strong in Korea and Japan because of theire culture. There are no "idols" in Europ. For example, France never has stories like this, maybe in the fashion world but that's more international.
This only happenss in places of big money dreams!
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On March 10 2011 16:39 Ocedic wrote:
So why is it when something awful happens outside of the US, people talk about the COUNTRY, like:
"12 cats butchered by crazy man in Germany"
"Girl gang raped by 20 men in China"
Then people talk about how messed up that country is. Then when something happens in the US, people just talk about crazy/bad people and don't bring up country. Why did this story need to be about S. Korea? Sexual harassment in the workplace doesn't take place in the states? No actress in America has ever been coerced into sex for a job/role? I'm confused what delusional world you people are living in.
Now, about the GIRL, it is a tragedy this happened and that there was no one to help her. I hope the men are punished brutally, but that is too much to hope.
Because corruption in general is a huge issue in korea (huge in the sense that its huge compared to other developed countries). People with money and power in the country have too much leverage that they easily get away with crime.
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I really don't want to ruin this thread about 'corruption' but police have stated this supposed 'letter' is highly likely to be a hoax (found an evidence). Netizen have responded, it's probably pressure from higher power.
Source: http://news.sportsseoul.com/read/entertain/924051.htm
mmhmmm...
EDIT:
More Sources: http://www.munhwa.com/news/view.html?no=2011031001070843015002&w=nv
According to this, the envelope is where the evidence was found, now the writings on the letter are being analysed and the result will be known by next week.
Yes, corruption is everywhere, very likely in korean entertainment ind. However let's wait and before jumping to conclusions pplz.
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On March 10 2011 06:51 dacthehork wrote:
please never use RAINN statistics for USA
They give out surveys like "have you ever felt uncomfortable during sex, or pressured to have it with your bf"
a yes response = rape etc, also statuatory "rape". etc
They basically inflate their numbers as high as humanly possible to attract more funding /surprise.
REAL FBI NUMBERS
Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.
# The rate of forcible rapes in 2009 was estimated at 56.6 per 100,000 female inhabitants, a 3.4 percent decrease when compared with the 2008 estimated rate of 58.6.
Forcible rape is not the only type of rape. Coercive rape is rape. Child rape is rape. Non consensual sex of any kind is rape. Sex with people who can't give consent is rape.
I also love how you quote something as retarded as "other sex offenses are excluded".
Also before you criticize rainn note that they actually had references for all the stats.
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http://articles.latimes.com/1991-07-09/news/vw-2231_1
There is rampant inflation in "rape statistics" by these groups. Figures like 1/4 women etc are thrown around a lot.
Yes a 16 year old and and 18 year old having consensual sex is consided rape by the law. Or on a survey having sex with your husband when you dont quite feel like it, they can extrapolate rape. On the same side of the coin see the duke rape case etc.
It goes on quite simply because they feel nothing wrong with creating "epidemics / fear mongering" to get more funding and reaction.
also those surveys they use are way out of date
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actually if a woman is forced into sex (doesnt want to have sex) it doesnt matter if its her husband or not. also physical force isnt a requirement for something to be rape hth
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Marital rape is rape if the sex is not consensual. Sex with a minor is rape because minors cannot legally give consent.
Each US state has its own age of consent. Currently state laws set the age of consent at 16, 17 or 18. The most common age is 16.[36]
age of consent 16: Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Georgia, Hawaii, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia
age of consent 17: Colorado, Illinois, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, New Mexico, New York, Texas
age of consent 18: Arizona, California, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, North Dakota, Oregon, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming.
16 is a normal age of consent in most states.
Just because one incident (duke rape case) the defendents were found not guilty doesn't mean
1) the accuser was lying.
2) All rape cases are false accusations.
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On March 10 2011 20:34 iloveoil wrote:
actually if a woman is forced into sex (doesnt want to have sex) it doesnt matter if its her husband or not. also physical force isnt a requirement for something to be rape hth
yes obviously, It doesn't change the fact RAINN does everything possible to pump out the highest percentages possible (for more funding/awareness) it's only logical they do this. Hence they use statistics from the late 90s.
Rape has declined 2/3rds in the last 15 years in america or something close to that along with most violent crimes. Again I linked a statistic that showed the estimated number of forcible and by threat rapes which is much smaller than a 1/6 woman are raped statistic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Has a good overview of the topic, but the statistics for rape, where someone can pull out 1/4 or 1/6 women are raped is just a little too high of a % to be believable, hence I have researched this before.
sadly debating the accuracy of said statistics and the methods they gather them is a big no no by anyone and a good way to get fired as a professor or reporter because inflating the statistics only helps charities like RAINN / awareness.
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On March 10 2011 12:26 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:13 NicksonReyes wrote:On March 10 2011 07:28 jinorazi wrote:On March 10 2011 07:09 AdamBanks wrote:On March 10 2011 06:43 jinorazi wrote:On March 09 2011 22:04 ThePurist wrote:
I heard it was documented that she couldn't attend her parent's funeral (장례식) because she was called out to "service".
PRETTY FUCKED UP EH -_-
썩을놈들 다 뒤져야됨 -_- 완전동감. 법이 이놈들을 못잡으면, 평민들이 이개새끼들을 자에인으로 만들어놔야 할탠대... 죽음은 이놈들한탠 부족하다는 생각이드네요. just because this isnt "surprising", it shouldn't be tolerated at all. if this happened to someone i know, i'd go on a vigilant rampage. please talk to your lady friends and try to prevent this happening to them. it could be from their friend, boyfriend, w/e. teach them to have guts in not lowering themselves even if it means they can't get what they want. of course, there will be girls that wouldn't think twice about sleeping with another guy if it means she can get what she wants. I don't believe you intend this but when you say "have guts" and to not lower themselves you seem to imply that the person being sexually abused is somehow responsible for causing or has to power to aviod the situation ,which in the majority of cases is simply not true. I hope people like JYP can stand up and set up new standards to protect entertainers from shit like this. Whut? JYP? If someone can save this industry, I don't think it is JYP. + Show Spoiler + What? All that speculation just from a smile?? Or am i missing something? I repect for him for what he has achieved and was hoping he shares the same views as majority of other people but who knows. :/ Ive liked him since he was a co-mc in "friday night" and regarded him as a decent human being but i could be wrong. But i sincerely hope someone within the industry starts a union like organization to protect themselves. This event should not repeat.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's a bit of a lecher. I mean a lot of older guys in the music industry are. I read Anthony Kiedis's bio and he talks about having sex with a 14-year old groupie (supposedly he was unaware of her age at the time) not to mention others like Rod Stewart who get much younger wives. The truth is a lot of younger girls are attracted to these guys as well. I guess it's not really a problem unless there's force/coercion involved (like the Jang Ja Yeon case)or the girl is underage.
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Yes a 16 year old and and 18 year old having consensual sex is consided rape by the law.
Not really. In most states the age of consent is 16. And the federal law usually requires a 4 year age difference anyways.
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sadly debating the accuracy of said statistics and the methods they gather them is a big no no by anyone and a good way to get fired as a professor or reporter because inflating the statistics only helps charities like RAINN / awareness.
Last edit: 2011-03-10 20:52:27
Firstly, its almost impossible to fire a professor. Secondly underreporting rape only helps the FBI. It is a common government tactic to report decrease in annual crime for political gain. It is certianly a lot more common than charities and ngos infalting statistics. These NGOs are staffed by people who care about the problem (and often former victims). Governments are staffed by people who only care about themselves. You can believe whomever you want to ofcourse, but doesn't change the facts.
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http://www.allkpop.com/2011/03/ifsl-netizens-respond-to-the-claims-of-jang-ja-yeons-letters-being-fabricated
only news article I could find in english on it
Basically the "fabrication" claims of the letter where bullshit and some experts from SBS and a second source confirm it's her handwriting and has details only she could know about.
AKA Korean Government/police are trying to cover it up, while SBS and others re-confirm it's true.
Will be interesting to see what happens because some of the names on the list are top 50 richest people in korea and almost all are big CEOs/producers. My personal guess is nothing because of how corrupt the investigation has already been.
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The most eye opening thing in this thread is the number of people for whom this is a shocking/unimagined incident.
People fooling themselves into thinking this is in any way unusual, or isolated to a country/area/industry.
A sad sampling of how many people can be ignorant, willfully or otherwise, of the tragedies around them.
Most here of course are outraged, and that makes perfect sense. But you'd be a fool to think you're very far removed from it.
Arguing about which 'rape statistics' one chooses to believe is frankly a sign of exactly what's wrong. Trying to minimize how prevalent these incidents are can only cause more problems. Is it really possible to have TOO MUCH awareness of sexual assault? Really?
To head off drama I should add: It's important that false accusations and knee jerk reactions be carefully managed. Because it is something that gets people up in arms, it's easy to call for blood before having the facts. It's that first reaction that ruins the lives of some people due to an accusation. All cases should be carefully examined BEFORE authorities AND the masses pass judgement.
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People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself.
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On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself.
So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho?
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On March 10 2011 21:00 redviper wrote:Show nested quote +sadly debating the accuracy of said statistics and the methods they gather them is a big no no by anyone and a good way to get fired as a professor or reporter because inflating the statistics only helps charities like RAINN / awareness.
Last edit: 2011-03-10 20:52:27 Firstly, its almost impossible to fire a professor.
I haven't particularly been following this line of conversation you are having, but regarding this comment... not exactly true. It is almost impossible to fire a professor for any reason that is not political in nature, but it's actually quite easy to get fired if you upset the apple cart.
Academia is incredibly political. Don't ever think your professors only got where they are through superior understanding of their subject. Even in fields like math and physics where politics simply don't belong the ugly truth is that you can't avoid it. It's unfortunate but it's true.
Sorry for threadjacking (although I did comment on topic much earlier in the thread). It's very unfortunate that the authorities aren't taking this tragedy more seriously.
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On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho?
no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts.
the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
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I hope everyone responsible for these gets what's coming to them. This poor girl's life was completely ruined by these pigs and it looks like they're going to all get off with relatively minor punishments . . . wtf
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On March 11 2011 15:03 Nutype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho? no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts. the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
Really? You think all those suicidal people don't deserve their life because of shit that happen in their life? You're saying it like it's easy right now because you're fine, but what if some traumatic stuff happen in your life like your whole family die and you are paralyzed for life? You think those people are psycho and since they give up on life they no longer deserve it?
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On March 11 2011 15:03 Nutype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho? no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts. the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
That is one the most retarded logic I've ever heard so far.
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This thread is getting so off topic it isnt even funny.
This news made me ill, its pretty disgusting how people can treat each other.
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On March 11 2011 15:03 Nutype wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 14:36 King K. Rool wrote:On March 11 2011 14:23 Dr_Strange wrote:
People are too quick to believe some psycho girl. She could have made up any of the stories or added people she didn't like. You cant be quick to judge, especially from some psycho that killed herself. So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho? no, but its more than likely. hence why we should wait to get the facts. the second you give up on life, is the second you no longer deserve it.
I dont think psycho means what you think it means.
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point is, life sucks. and im a douche
If everything here is indeed true, then i hope whoever was involved gets whatever they deserve. But that doesnt make killing yourself okay.
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On March 11 2011 13:14 dacthehork wrote:http://www.allkpop.com/2011/03/ifsl-netizens-respond-to-the-claims-of-jang-ja-yeons-letters-being-fabricatedonly news article I could find in english on it Basically the "fabrication" claims of the letter where bullshit and some experts from SBS and a second source confirm it's her handwriting and has details only she could know about. AKA Korean Government/police are trying to cover it up, while SBS and others re-confirm it's true. Will be interesting to see what happens because some of the names on the list are top 50 richest people in korea and almost all are big CEOs/producers. My personal guess is nothing because of how corrupt the investigation has already been.
Wow, it's a conspiracy O_o It just sounds like a bunch of behind-the-scenes is going on cause all the rich people have so much power.
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So people who kill themselves are automaticall psycho?
I would have to say yes to this, unless it was some sort of accident or if it saves others lives. You could argue that what she did might start a movement to fight against rape, but it seems she didnt have that type of thinking. Even in history the people that most that committed suicide were mentally unstable, were afraid of being captured by another country, or going to face prison. If she was smart she would have tried to expose the truth or at least notify someone, but since she was not right in mind she came up with a bad solution to her problem. People should never feel sorry for people that committed suicide they did it themselves. If she was murdered while being raped, now that is completely a different story.
I dont think psycho means what you think it means.
Psycho is exactly what i meant. Someone that suffers from psycho has lost all contact with reality and is delusional. Why would I mean to use psycho in terms of psychopathy?
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On March 11 2011 16:05 Dr_Strange wrote:I would have to say yes to this, unless it was some sort of accident or if it saves others lives. You could argue that what she did might start a movement to fight against rape, but it seems she didnt have that type of thinking. Even in history the people that most that committed suicide were mentally unstable, were afraid of being captured by another country, or going to face prison. If she was smart she would have tried to expose the truth or at least notify someone, but since she was not right in mind she came up with a bad solution to her problem. People should never feel sorry for people that committed suicide they did it themselves. If she was murdered while being raped, now that is completely a different story. Psycho is exactly what i meant. Someone that suffers from psycho has lost all contact with reality and is delusional. Why would I mean to use psycho in terms of psychopathy?
your conclusion stems from fear. (jealousy mabye?; secondary emotion derived from fear)
anyway, never judge what you dont understand. it makes you look close-minded
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On March 11 2011 16:05 Dr_Strange wrote:I would have to say yes to this, unless it was some sort of accident or if it saves others lives. You could argue that what she did might start a movement to fight against rape, but it seems she didnt have that type of thinking. Even in history the people that most that committed suicide were mentally unstable, were afraid of being captured by another country, or going to face prison. If she was smart she would have tried to expose the truth or at least notify someone, but since she was not right in mind she came up with a bad solution to her problem. People should never feel sorry for people that committed suicide they did it themselves. If she was murdered while being raped, now that is completely a different story. Psycho is exactly what i meant. Someone that suffers from psycho has lost all contact with reality and is delusional. Why would I mean to use psycho in terms of psychopathy?
I disagree. The young lady was provably worn down so much and broken mentally she'd have no other way to escape the problem she'd gotten herself into. Being smart has nothing to do by doing what was expected of you. Get real. She provably was helluvalot smarter than the average poster in this thread. Even with evidence who would believe a slave-star actress over a long list of rich and influental men? Sadly the people she trusted and worked where rotten to the core.
You seem to lack of basic human empathy or lived a life in a safe little bubble. I've known quite some(close friends/family) who commited suicide for various reasons. They were selfish for doing so, yes. But I always felt sorry.
Anyways, I can barely imagine waking up as her day by day knowing that some dirty old clowns are out there waiting to be pleased.
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This is terrible
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2933560
“The handwriting of the letters, which were allegedly written by Jang, is different from hers,” Yang Hu-yeol, director of the Document and Image Division at the service, said at press conference yesterday. “On Jang’s handwriting, words got a little pressure, while those on the letters were strongly pressed.”
Comparing some consonants and vowels of the letters with those of Jang’s handwriting in her notebook, which police had kept since her death, the service said the two handwritings had different styles in the way the letters were shaped.
latest news. if the letters found were to be real, the case would be reopened but since they are forged, the case will remain closed.
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