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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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KunfO
United States81 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:58 hypercube wrote: First, that's not what you originally said. Second, it's still wrong. It's a fact that the President can order military action without the express agreement of Congress. He can do it without a UNSC resolution (like Clinton did against al-quaeda after the African embassy bombings for example). It may or may not be constitutional, but the UN has literally nothing to do with that issue. The Libyan government posed no serious imminent threat to US National Security prior to the military action currently being undertaken. Additionally, Al-Qaeda is not a sovereign government, and therefore you cannot have Congress declare "war" on it (atleast in a way that isn't purely symbolic) edit: And it is consistent with what I originally said I am just trying to explain my position for the uneducated and the trolls | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:58 KunfO wrote: Exactly, which is why the President should have consulted Congress before going along with the UN... -_- I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. As Hypercube said, the UN authorizes force. It does not COMPEL any nation to use force. Obviously, the Congress is meant to have the final say over declarations of war and (I think this is what you are saying,) the President has violated his Constitutional responsibilities. But the UN is hardly an issue here...you call it a "vehicle," which is accurate, but it's not necessary! American Presidents have acted without Congressional authority for the last 60-70 years, who cares what the UN does? Is your problem the shroud of legitimacy that the UN provides the President? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4781 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Report: Khamis Gaddafi has died. SOURCE?! EDIT: that should've said "source?!", stupid capslock  But really, Gaddafi is already nuts, can't imagine what the loss of a son would make him do... | ||
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KunfO
United States81 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:05 slyboogie wrote: I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. As Hypercube said, the UN authorizes force. It does not COMPEL any nation to use force. Obviously, the Congress is meant to have the final say over declarations of war and (I think this is what you are saying,) the President has violated his Constitutional responsibilities. But the UN is hardly an issue here...you call it a "vehicle," which is accurate, but it's not necessary! American Presidents have acted without Congressional authority for the last 60-70 years, who cares what the UN does? Is your problem the shroud of legitimacy that the UN provides the President? If you have read my previous posts, I have acknowledged the constitutional questions raised by past American President's military actions and explained why some are defensible and others were, indeed, unconstitutional and now is the time to raise awareness of this issue. I realize it is not necessary to have the UN's approval or that it is necessary to follow along with a UN authorization of force for the US to do so. However, it IS necessary, in this specific circumstance, given the details of the situation, for the President to receive some kind of approval from Congress for action taken against Libya, whether that action is made with the UN or not. The President is basically using the UN as a tool to circumvent Congress, which in turn gives the UN atleast perceived political legitimacy over the US Congress | ||
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Mofisto
United Kingdom585 Posts
Libyan officials are claiming that the air strike on Gaddafi's compound tonight amounts to an attempt on his life, Damien McElroy reports. Italian media reports that the tugboat that was "freed" earlier has been intercepted by a US helicopter & is heading back to Tripoli Two busloads of Gaddafi forces & 11 tanks enter Misratah Worrying (though unconfirmed) reports from a Libya campaign group on Twitter that Gaddafi's forces are mobilising at Misratah, east of Tripoli | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Apparently from burns... BREAKING: It has been confirmed by a few sources and now also Al Manara, Khamis Gaddafi has died today, as a result of burns #Libya #Feb17 We had been hearing it since the morning, Al Manara have now confirmed this. a result of the kamikaze attack on his residence few days ago A few sources, and finally now Manara also saying the same so we will tweet this information #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes | ||
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KunfO
United States81 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:11 KunfO wrote: I will stop talking about this stuff if the moderators want but could I get an explanation as to how exactly it is offtopic to talk about the involvement of the US in aerial military action against Libya in the "Libyan Uprising" thread when the mods themselves are posting videos of "Navy and Marine corps attack Libya..."? Does the topic of the constitution of the U.S. and manipulation of the UN/Nato etc. have anything to do with Libya? No. | ||
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KunfO
United States81 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Does the topic of the constitution of the U.S. and manipulation of the UN/Nato etc. have anything to do with Libya? No. Fair enough. I'll stop now although I would make the case that I was doing my best to keep it related to the topic | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:16 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Twitter is saying Khamis Gaddafi died two days ago. So The US air strike is responsible? ShababLibya's twitter called it the result of a "kamikaze" attack. is that a mistranslation? | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On March 21 2011 08:34 pookychoo wrote: Yes it is hypocritical to only get involved in countries that are oil rich It really only has a tangential relationship to oil. Name a single dictatorship with a strong fighting opposition aligned with western ideals that we did not support. | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4781 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:30 pylonsalad wrote: Who is Khamis? One of his sons? Yes | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
On March 21 2011 09:25 gogogadgetflow wrote: So The US air strike is responsible? ShababLibya's twitter called it the result of a "kamikaze" attack. is that a mistranslation? No, it was told some days ago that a rebel pilot had crashed his fighter jet into a government compound in Tripoli. If this was an intentional kamikaze style attack or if he intended to bomb conventionally but was shot down isn't clear. The new rumour today is that he actually hit the residence of Khamis Khadafi who got so severe burns that he died a couple of days later. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
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