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On December 10 2010 04:07 rcflrx wrote:I would hope you could stop the: - pointless flaming - derailing of the topic - claiming things without proving anything - replying "do you even know what I am/you are talking about LOLO?!" while ignoring all the arguments If you have done that I might consider replying. Don't bother replying if you just repeat yourself/flame my english/go offtopic.
I will try not to flame you, but I sincerely need to ask if you understand what rhetoric means. You've brought up a lot of examples of stuff but what you haven't done is bring up a point which convinces me that there is any persuasive anti-China rhetoric with which Islamic fundamentalism can use.
Why? Because China did not have hundreds of years of Crusades.
No matter what you say about African workers and how African students are treated in China, I don't think they are anywhere near as inflammatory as the history Islam has had with Christianity. Whether you choose to agree or disagree with me is your choice. I have my opinion, you have yours. I will continue to maintain my opinion, no matter how many times you reiterate that you think different. But belaboring your point about Africa over and over is not going to convince me that you have a good argument. Africans being mistreated is not going to inflame the Islamic world like it does when they call America the Great Satan, show how America is supporting Israel, the age old enemy of the Arabs, and that the US president himself called many Islamic countries part of the Axis of Evil etc.
China has done none of these things. China trades with everyone, yes. I fail to see how Islam is going to rise up and attack China because of this.
Nor is the rhetoric as powerful in the imagination and psyche of the Islamic people. Fundamentalism cannot survive without young extremist recruits. While it's easy to get them fired up over the filth and corruption and Great Satan that is the Western world because they have been raised on a steady diet of history in which the Islamic world was repeatedly attacked by Christianity, it is MUCH harder to paint this black/white dynamic when it comes to China. China is this far-off mystical country that they don't know jack shit about. The rhetoric doesn't hold up.
And yes... there are a great number of sources out there confirming Al-Qaeda tried to lend support to the Uighur separatist movement. They were rebuffed because the Uighurs want to preserve a legitimate claim to independence, not get labeled an international terrorist organization. Hence again why I don't see China's supposed issue with Islam will ignite into an international war against terrorism like the US is entrenched in. In my opinion, showing yet more evidence that Al-Qaeda's attempts at anti-Chinese rhetoric will fail and that they will have great difficulty drumming up support in the Islamic world for such a campaign.
http://www.china.org.cn/china/xinjiang_unrest/2009-07/16/content_18150027.htm
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/442408/1/.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/5822791/Al-Qaeda-vows-revenge-on-China-over-Uighur-deaths.html
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shit sorry don't know why it double posted. Admin please delete if it's not too much trouble.
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On December 10 2010 03:53 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2010 03:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:If you want to go live in a country where people should just shutup and trust the government to do their job, well... I would recommend you move to China  . Don't misrepresent China. Although that might be one central tenant of Confuscianism - to trust in government in exchange for virtuous rule, few in China see the government as virtuous or even half-non-corrupt. The Communism Party is entirely concentrated on suppressing political dissent, trying to maintain the economic boom, and maintaining public order. It has little mandate to do anything else.
The operative word here is "should." 
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The USA is failing and I think you have to be a little delusional to not see this. All it will take is other countries not wanting US dollars and the entire US economy will fall apart and the Federal Reserve constantly pumping in billions and billions every year is only going to speed this up. The US has half the world's military budget and military bases in over 170 different countries and there are more public sector jobs created every year than private sector jobs yet the economy needs the private sector to stay afloat, this is not something that can be sustained for a long period of time but our politicians are only increasing it rather than slowly scaling back like they should be.
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Sorry to say, but none of those links are reliable sources regarding AQ activity in NW-China. China claiming Al-Qaeda is involved has to be expected. The opposit has to be expected from Kaader (since she doesn't want to lose western support). Funny enough the third link actually proves my point that fanatics will start picking on China and start terrorist attacks.
I also fail to see how something that happend more then 700 years ago is apparently more important than the last 100 to 200 years and whats happening right now. But I guess thats just like your opinion (man).
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On December 10 2010 03:45 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Where in the hell did you get the notion that America's greatness was built on "trusting" the government to do their job?
Then I guess you missed the memo where Americans elect politicians whom they TRUST to get the job done.
If you want to go live in a country where people should just shutup and trust the government to do their job, well... I would recommend you move to China .
Personal attack on me. Nothing more. Stop making a hypocrite of yourself.
On December 10 2010 03:55 Krigwin wrote: Also, "if you don't like this country, leave it" is the most offensive and blatantly stupid personal attack you could possibly make in any argument regarding politics.
Once again, I never said that. It was merely a suggestion.
Rofl, you guys only read what you want to read. I'm so done with this topic.
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On December 10 2010 04:28 Treemonkeys wrote:
The USA is failing and I think you have to be a little delusional to not see this. All it will take is other countries not wanting US dollars and the entire US economy will fall apart and the Federal Reserve constantly pumping in billions and billions every year is only going to speed this up. The US has half the world's military budget and military bases in over 170 different countries and there are more public sector jobs created every year than private sector jobs yet the economy needs the private sector to stay afloat, this is not something that can be sustained for a long period of time but our politicians are only increasing it rather than slowly scaling back like they should be.
I don't agree with you that America has collapsed.The USA markets are showing positive signals which will come or surpass China in the near future.
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Its easier to get economic groth when you dont have to tihnk about things such as human rights and the environment.
I think that in 10~20 years, if not sooner, china will be the biggest economy. After another 10 years india will follow them and be the seccond world economy.
Thats just becouse after a certain point economic groth will stagnate. And china has what, 5x as many inhabitants as the usa? So even if the gnp in USA is 4x greater, china will be the bigger world economie.
Overall i think its a good thing that the rest of the world is catching up. But i gues we'll have to see how it all turns out.
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This is normal. China is hungry and it's people have been poor for a long time so they work hard. A lot like impoverished Americans from Europe used to. Power shifts all the time and back again no big deal. Adversity makes us stronger and all that. Once we can't spend what we don't have I think you'll see discipline again and shift. Also everyone can rise as well. Doesn't have to be either or. For example Germany and China is growing exports and getting richer.
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China has a double-edged sword of a problem that they are facing now that is terribly difficult to solve.
Either growth in China is going to overheat and inflationary pressures are going to make food unaffordable for the lower classes (especially in the north), or growth is going to slow down to something in the middle single digits (note: anything below 10%/year is a recession for the Chinese at this point), and this will result in not enough job creation for an ever expanding lower class that can't afford housing nor has private land that they can use.
This isn't to say that America won't have to shoulder it's fair share of more hardship. America has a long way out of this recession still, despite what many economists say. However, China is very overhyped and will not replace America as the "economic superpower."
Even if you look at it through older economic models (i.e. Gerschenkron), all signs point to an inability to sustain such outrageous growth without significant problems popping up.
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America's "lazy" public and "short sighted" congress has still produced a standard of living over 6 times that of China's.
I cannot believe you would blame "western values" for China's economic growth when it was eastern communism that held them down for so long and liberalization and "western values" that has allowed their economic growth.
On December 06 2010 10:20 Owarida wrote:
What do you guys think about forced military service like SK has in America? Could help build some discipline, leadership, and national pride. All good things when considering growth of a nation.
In My Humble Opinion:
Forced Military Service = Slavery except it is worse in that instead of being forced to grow crops you are forced to potentially kill people.
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On February 11 2011 16:18 tdt wrote:
This is normal. China is hungry and it's people have been poor for a long time so they work hard. A lot like impoverished Americans from Europe used to. Power shifts all the time and back again no big deal. Adversity makes us stronger and all that. Once we can't spend what we don't have I think you'll see discipline again and shift. Also everyone can rise as well. Doesn't have to be either or. For example Germany and China is growing exports and getting richer.
Well growing exports is a zero-sum game.. since that means another country is growing imports.
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