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[question]why cant starcraft be in the olympics?

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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
August 14 2004 12:10 GMT
#1
rather than do the research myself.. i just wanna know. they are trying to petition for poker to be in the olympics.. the olympic commission or something has said chess and bridge are sports. starcraft is clearly somewhere in that catagory, and is hugely popular in 1 country (unlike many events!). so why cant it be in the olympics? does anyone know the official rules or process or whatever?

if it was in the olympics it would be widely watched because of the gimmick (a video game! first!) and the controversey. it's only once every 4 years. it would be good for video games, good for sc.. and good for the olympics probably. but is it possible? im curious. but cant find jack shit. :|
Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
August 14 2004 12:11 GMT
#2
starcraft isnt a sport.....
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
August 14 2004 12:12 GMT
#3
Bowling isn't even in the Olympics, so poker and starcraft don't stand a chance. I heard they are also trying it for paintball.
Emlary
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
China3334 Posts
August 14 2004 12:15 GMT
#4
the period of olympics is quite long for video games. four years!
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
August 14 2004 12:16 GMT
#5
Lolz this is why you said brb in the channel. To make a thread about what we were talking about, ^ O^
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
August 14 2004 12:16 GMT
#6
That's true, too. How many games lasts that long?
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
August 14 2004 12:17 GMT
#7
Paintball might be cool I hope they put it in and tennis out :o
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ApollyoN
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1297 Posts
August 14 2004 12:17 GMT
#8
um i think it has to have a competitive environment in a certain # of countries to even be considered
aReLaZ-y
Profile Joined January 2004
141 Posts
August 14 2004 13:10 GMT
#9
WCG would have to be broadcasted on television first for this to be even conceivable. And just because ESPN has the word "sport" in it, it doesn't make spelling bees or math competitions a sport. A sport may be a competition or a game, but a game or a competition doesn't necessarily have to be a sport.

But don't get me wrong, I'd love to see computer games played live on television. What TechTV does doesn't exactly count -_-
IronMentality
Profile Joined July 2004
United States1129 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-14 13:18:39
August 14 2004 13:12 GMT
#10
I wish G4 Tech TV would wake up and start broadcasting gaming matches. Otherwise, that channel will continue to suck.
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worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
August 14 2004 14:02 GMT
#11
Until it's popular world wide with the masses (non-bw gamers), starcraft can't be in the olympics.

I think olympics also stand for the virtues, ie. stamina. I'm not sure what virtues starcraft holds, other than agility or intelligence/wisdom. The masses have no need for smarts, they just want action.

It's also hard to understand what's happening in a BW game. There's no way that many people will understand what's going on. Ask your dad (or someone who has no clue whats going on) to watch you and don't tell them what's happening. See what happens. ;(

WCG is a very crappy version of the Olympics. A nice attempt, but nothing close. With a lot of work WCG could be great. Too bad there's a myriad of problems with it ..

Video games won't be in a tournament dedicated to physical sports. ;(
Kimmural
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1111 Posts
August 14 2004 14:05 GMT
#12
People are trying to get Chess into the olympics and thats not physical, olympics are also somewhat mental thus the chess, and possible magic the gathering if chess makes it.
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Sky
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Jordan812 Posts
August 14 2004 14:11 GMT
#13
On August 14 2004 22:12 IronMentality wrote:
I wish G4 Tech TV would wake up and start broadcasting gaming matches. Otherwise, that channel will continue to suck.


I know, if they switched one of the games on arena, and put broodwar in there, im sure their ratings would go up and they wouldn't need to switch their channel name ever other month.
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LOcDowN
Profile Joined February 2003
United States1015 Posts
August 14 2004 14:14 GMT
#14
This is why we have WCG.
l2obot
Profile Joined July 2004
United States108 Posts
August 14 2004 14:16 GMT
#15
The gaming scene is very different from the Olympic scene. If it were ever to join the Olympics, it would be a very slow process that would take decades.
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-14 14:23:08
August 14 2004 14:20 GMT
#16
roman: it depends on ur definition. the only reason older games became "sports" is becuz ppl had no other option at the time. starcraft is a physical activity. im sure u could see the vital signs of players at the highest level b consistent with a notion that they are physically acting.. to compete.. in a game. like hockey, basketball? maybe their heart rate doesnt raise as high, is that why it should not be a sport? how much must the heart rate raise in order for a game to be considered a sport? how much energy must be used? is there a standard?

klogon: baseball isnt in the olympics either. but some other "less popular" games are. some really piece of shit games are in it, because they're popular in 1 country or some bullshit. the question is, what are the requirements for a game to be included in the olympics? i am sure there are games that deserve it much less than starcraft by any standard, so this is why i wonder...

ApollyoN: what do u mean by competitive environment? i think sc is in a more competitive environment in more countries than some olympic events, dont u?

aReLaZ-y: why? plenty of events in the olympics arent even broadcasted. u can still let people compete. and the fact is, if it was included in the olympics, it would definitely be broadcasted. why would u have to wait for people to broadcast wcg? makes no sense. plenty of events in olympics ppl give no fuck about.

worst.poster: how many olympic events are popular with the masses? less than half? how many events in the olympics are as popular as basketball? bw doesnt have to be that popular in every country. if that was the case the olympics never wuold have added as many events as it has.

also, my first post answeres more shit than all of ur fucking responses u pricks. fucking hell.

the question iz what is the requirement/process for an event being added to the olympics .. id like to know.. cuz

1. some events seem unpopular or only popular 50 years ago in one country. so why cant a game that's popular in 1.5 countries or something right now be added?

2. some other shit i already posted just like 1.
Chogs_User
Profile Joined January 2004
United States410 Posts
August 14 2004 14:27 GMT
#17
On August 14 2004 22:12 IronMentality wrote:
I wish G4 Tech TV would wake up and start broadcasting gaming matches. Otherwise, that channel will continue to suck.


Nice post. I've thought the exact same thing. They DO have a show called Arena where 2 teams complete in a triathlon of 3 games, but it's almost always games like call of duty and MoH, all new games..
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
August 14 2004 14:28 GMT
#18
Chess is a very skillful game, and fun to watch to a large number of people. That does not make it a sport. The same goes for poker, starcraft, and a large number of other events that somehow are already olympics games. Curling is NOT a sport, It may take more physical
effort then say.....a event in marksmenship. Still Its NOT a sport, I dont know why its not. Its just not. Standing still and aiming a gun is a sport, but 3 guys with brooms sweeping is not. Thats just the way it is.
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-14 22:35:24
August 14 2004 14:32 GMT
#19
I think baseball is in the olympics now.
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tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
August 14 2004 15:13 GMT
#20
baseball is. so is softball.

wcg = olympics for cyber athletes
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
August 14 2004 15:15 GMT
#21
and it's yearly woohoo ! or semi-annually if you want to think about cpl. then there's also eswc and cpl euro tour
Pob
Profile Joined February 2004
880 Posts
August 14 2004 18:03 GMT
#22
chess stands the test of time , its thousands of years old....broodwar is now 6 years old and is not widely recognised outside of korea , and if they added computer games to the olympics there would be public outrage
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
August 14 2004 18:26 GMT
#23
yeah wcg is more like a olympic games for gamers than like a world championship

it involves the most popular games,its a big tournament of these all together

olympic games <-> world cyber games

wcg doesnt have a history like the OG thou
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ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
August 14 2004 19:43 GMT
#24
*Personal view*
You guys are talking about adding videogames to the olympics while I think they should remove some of the sports. Like tennis or soccer. Those (and other sports) already have enough tournaments. Sports like judo and fencing are more 'olympiccy'.
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Breeze
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria989 Posts
August 14 2004 19:58 GMT
#25
I think it can be every two years, if it is in the winter olympics too. Probably only winter tileset maps though?
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Kreeeee
Profile Joined May 2004
305 Posts
August 14 2004 20:25 GMT
#26
On August 15 2004 04:58 Breeze wrote:
I think it can be every two years, if it is in the winter olympics too. Probably only winter tileset maps though?


XD

i doubt computer games will ever be in the olympics. we can only hope that things like WCG become more popular
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
August 14 2004 20:34 GMT
#27
On August 14 2004 21:12 Klogon wrote:
Bowling isn't even in the Olympics, so poker and starcraft don't stand a chance. I heard they are also trying it for paintball.

But gaah! In how many ways can you possible roll a bowlingboll on a 1 meter wide way to strike some stupid things down. And how big is the luckfactor?
Ok I understand that all bowlers will think very different, but it must be harder to be the best in the world in starcraft, then beeing the best fuckin bowler! I mean...is there actually someone practicing 8 hours a day the week before a big bowling event? Haha, IS there even big bowling events?

Anyway...WCG is kinda Olympics for computergames.
Actually, at that opening cermony, i also thought about having the korean starcraft team marching in, boxer in front carrying the korean flag.
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fbs
Profile Joined February 2003
United Kingdom2476 Posts
August 14 2004 21:06 GMT
#28
squash should be in it :/
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
August 14 2004 23:43 GMT
#29
The reason this thread was started I presume is because Stimey and I were talking about it on Euro and all those reasons you people have said I came up with and discussed him.

I.E. People will get pissed off and say you have wcg why are you invading olympics, olympic are traditionally ' physical ' tests, It's not big enough in many countries.

Plus there were a few I mentioned that you guys didn't like maybe other countries would be an outrage if Boxer or someone went and managed to get like 5 gold medals in categories of 1v1,2v2,UMS,Team Play [ I list all those because otherwise 4 years to prepare is pretty much useless, you only need like 6 months at most ] It would be unfair because then Korea would get so many more medals>

Stimey then suggested that there be a one medal per nation rule and it would raise some interesting competition.

Anyway, the point is that he wants to know what the rules are to get a ' game ' into the olympics not reasons why it probably wouldn't be accepted.

Myself I haven't found anything and I'm still looking, because now I'm curious.
NoobSaibot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States588 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-14 23:48:10
August 14 2004 23:47 GMT
#30
nevermind
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
August 15 2004 00:03 GMT
#31
I hate these "why shouldn't <this> be an olympic sport" discussions.
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
August 15 2004 00:05 GMT
#32
ur all banned because u are posting without reading
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
August 15 2004 00:47 GMT
#33
On August 14 2004 23:05 Lord)Lw( wrote:
People are trying to get Chess into the olympics and thats not physical, olympics are also somewhat mental thus the chess, and possible magic the gathering if chess makes it.


Holy crap. If Magic gets in, then BW deserves a spot for sure.
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-15 00:55:22
August 15 2004 00:52 GMT
#34
On August 15 2004 05:34 jtan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2004 21:12 Klogon wrote:
Bowling isn't even in the Olympics, so poker and starcraft don't stand a chance. I heard they are also trying it for paintball.

But gaah! In how many ways can you possible roll a bowlingboll on a 1 meter wide way to strike some stupid things down. And how big is the luckfactor?
Ok I understand that all bowlers will think very different, but it must be harder to be the best in the world in starcraft, then beeing the best fuckin bowler! I mean...is there actually someone practicing 8 hours a day the week before a big bowling event? Haha, IS there even big bowling events?

Anyway...WCG is kinda Olympics for computergames.
Actually, at that opening cermony, i also thought about having the korean starcraft team marching in, boxer in front carrying the korean flag.


Yes, the PBA is big. The players make thousands of dollars per major tournament win.

I heard something about a "sport" not being allowed into the Olympics unless it was ten years old, or more. Someone said that on here once before. I'm not sure how true it is, but if it is true, then that's probably the main reason BW couldn't be accepted.
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Ryan307 :)
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States1289 Posts
August 15 2004 00:59 GMT
#35
On August 14 2004 23:05 Lord)Lw( wrote:
People are trying to get Chess into the olympics and thats not physical, olympics are also somewhat mental thus the chess, and possible magic the gathering if chess makes it.


they shouldn't do magic the gathering , because at a high level it's mainly draw dependant, meaning who ever has the best hand usually wins.
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LaptopLegacy
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands602 Posts
August 15 2004 01:03 GMT
#36
In my definition sports are physical activities. I consider chess, MtG and BW etc. as mental activities and consequently not as sports.
They don't belong in the olympics imo.
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NoobSaibot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States588 Posts
August 15 2004 01:03 GMT
#37
chess is a lot harder than starcraft.
Pob
Profile Joined February 2004
880 Posts
August 15 2004 02:03 GMT
#38
On August 15 2004 10:03 NoobSaibot wrote:
chess is a lot harder than starcraft.


i agree , more people play chess than starcraft = harder challenges
another good thing is noone complains of maphacks or race imbalances
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 15 2004 02:07 GMT
#39
On August 15 2004 11:03 Pob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2004 10:03 NoobSaibot wrote:
chess is a lot harder than starcraft.


i agree , more people play chess than starcraft = harder challenges
another good thing is noone complains of maphacks or race imbalances

Hm? If you play as black (note: if you get black, not like in BW play protoss, just so no one thinks I'm a retard) you are supposed to be happy with a draw, or so I thought.

Then there's the issue of computers playing for players online and such.

How many people play chess anyways?
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-08-15 02:09:22
August 15 2004 02:08 GMT
#40
On August 14 2004 23:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Chess is a very skillful game, and fun to watch to a large number of people. That does not make it a sport. The same goes for poker, starcraft, and a large number of other events that somehow are already olympics games. Curling is NOT a sport, It may take more physical
effort then say.....a event in marksmenship. Still Its NOT a sport, I dont know why its not. Its just not. Standing still and aiming a gun is a sport, but 3 guys with brooms sweeping is not. Thats just the way it is.

How can you not call curling a sport???

And why is marksmanship a sport if curling isn't :/

You make no sense!

Btw, do they still have that thing where the host country can choose one event to be added to the games?
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
August 15 2004 02:10 GMT
#41
I think organizers would be very concerned with the life-span of a particular game. While I doubt that so-called e-sports would be shunned forever, none have really had time to prove their appeal to posterity.
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NoobSaibot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States588 Posts
August 15 2004 02:29 GMT
#42
i dont think it really matters what the sport is or what it consists of, as long as people want to watch. The only people who would want to watch starcraft are starcraft players. But any one of us can watch a guy do 50 flips accross a mat even though we never will ourselves.
mmm.beer
Profile Joined March 2003
Canada412 Posts
August 15 2004 05:31 GMT
#43
RE: [question]why cant starcraft be in the olympics?

I can answer this. BECAUSE IT'S A VIDEO GAME. A VIDEO GAME!! GET IT?
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
August 15 2004 07:01 GMT
#44
mmm.beer

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gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1861 Posts
August 15 2004 17:47 GMT
#45
Lots of things are trying to get into the Olympics, but most of them won't.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia1861 Posts
August 15 2004 18:05 GMT
#46
I'd rather see SC in the Olympics than the complete bullshit that is "Equestrian" though (the one where they just ride around in circles basically doing nothing of any interest), or even synchronized diving.
SyntaxError
Profile Joined January 2003
Mexico432 Posts
August 15 2004 18:27 GMT
#47
On August 14 2004 23:32 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I think baseball is in the olympics now.


rofl..baseball. haha
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
August 15 2004 21:56 GMT
#48
sc should at least be trying. it has to be the best canidate of any video game, and it's a huge fucking sport as far as sponsors and money annually. also been around like 7 yrs or something which isnt bad for a video game. it outdoes the games that are supposed to be outdoing it because they're newer and prettier, highly competitive etc.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
August 16 2004 00:07 GMT
#49
It would be a fucking dream to have Starcraft in the Olympics to shut up every other kid who thinks that their inferior game (uncle who plays sport sims, friends who play C-S, Socom) is superior, and make cybergaming actually cool.

It's not going to happen.
too easy
drift0ut
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United Kingdom691 Posts
August 16 2004 00:20 GMT
#50
id say somthing like quake/unreal or maybe CS is more likly to be a sport as it can easily be kept upto date graphically and is easier for the non-gamer to understand, although they dont make as good TV
karelen
Profile Joined October 2003
Sweden2407 Posts
August 16 2004 00:59 GMT
#51
On August 15 2004 11:07 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2004 11:03 Pob wrote:
On August 15 2004 10:03 NoobSaibot wrote:
chess is a lot harder than starcraft.


i agree , more people play chess than starcraft = harder challenges
another good thing is noone complains of maphacks or race imbalances

Hm? If you play as black (note: if you get black, not like in BW play protoss, just so no one thinks I'm a retard) you are supposed to be happy with a draw, or so I thought.

Then there's the issue of computers playing for players online and such.

How many people play chess anyways?


chess is played by millions of people all over the world.. and often you get to play an equal amount of games with the black and white pieces during a tournament.

anywho, i dont really see why chess should be an olympic event, there were discussions about this a few years ago, but eventually people agreed to:

a) it is impossible to get chess into the olympics because among "regular" people chess is not perceived as a "sporting activity"

b) there is already a chessolympiad and several strong tournaments played regularly, thus there is no need for an extra tournament.

point a) is probably the most relevant in this discussion, and it is also why bw will never be considered an olympic event.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 16 2004 01:36 GMT
#52
On August 16 2004 09:59 karelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2004 11:07 FrozenArbiter wrote:
On August 15 2004 11:03 Pob wrote:
On August 15 2004 10:03 NoobSaibot wrote:
chess is a lot harder than starcraft.


i agree , more people play chess than starcraft = harder challenges
another good thing is noone complains of maphacks or race imbalances

Hm? If you play as black (note: if you get black, not like in BW play protoss, just so no one thinks I'm a retard) you are supposed to be happy with a draw, or so I thought.

Then there's the issue of computers playing for players online and such.

How many people play chess anyways?


chess is played by millions of people all over the world.. and often you get to play an equal amount of games with the black and white pieces during a tournament.

anywho, i dont really see why chess should be an olympic event, there were discussions about this a few years ago, but eventually people agreed to:

a) it is impossible to get chess into the olympics because among "regular" people chess is not perceived as a "sporting activity"

b) there is already a chessolympiad and several strong tournaments played regularly, thus there is no need for an extra tournament.

point a) is probably the most relevant in this discussion, and it is also why bw will never be considered an olympic event.

You mean it won't be an olympic event as long as people hold that view (which I guess may last until the 'prime' generation is the youth of today -_-)
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Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
August 16 2004 01:58 GMT
#53
God FA, hahaha... that Stimey quote gets me every time! =]]]
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mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
August 16 2004 02:34 GMT
#54
some problems:

starcraft has no history.
its a 5 year old game.
and in 5 years nobody will play it anymore.

starcraft is not completely balanced.
in every other sport at the olympics, its man vs man or
team vs team.
theres no such thing as a terran advantage over zerg on dire straits.

starcraft is a mental game, not a physical game
all sports currently in the olympics are physical.
chess has been trying to get in for years...

zerg/human - vancouver, canada
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