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Legend`
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada381 Posts
May 16 2011 05:48 GMT
#1401
Got given Beats by Dre about a week or so ago, sound quality is absolutely amazing. Just can't figure out how to plug it into my computer <_<
NME.352 GM NA Protoss
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 16 2011 06:53 GMT
#1402
On May 16 2011 14:48 Legend` wrote:
Got given Beats by Dre about a week or so ago, sound quality is absolutely amazing. Just can't figure out how to plug it into my computer <_<

...
Sound jack?

And the Beats aren't looked too favorably as they are priced very high for what they offer
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Gatsbi
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1134 Posts
May 16 2011 06:58 GMT
#1403
On May 16 2011 14:48 Legend` wrote:
Got given Beats by Dre about a week or so ago, sound quality is absolutely amazing. Just can't figure out how to plug it into my computer <_<


LOL

Spoken like a true Beats owner.
"IF WHAT YOU DO NOT KNOW IS MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE KNOWN. THEN YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN ANYTHINIG YET." - Rev Kojo Smith
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 16 2011 07:47 GMT
#1404
You can't hate on somebody that was gifted something...but yeah, I'm wondering if this is a genius troll post now.

Anyway, if you found the audio output jack on some other device that you plugged it into, you can find such a jack on a computer.
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
May 16 2011 13:52 GMT
#1405
On May 16 2011 14:48 Legend` wrote:
Got given Beats by Dre about a week or so ago, sound quality is absolutely amazing. Just can't figure out how to plug it into my computer <_<



The Beats do not have good sound, certainly not for their price. Hopefully they will lead you down a path to a properly good pair of cans.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 17 2011 04:02 GMT
#1406
So I'm thinking about buying a IEM, as I only have pretty cheap crappy ones.
I want it to be really comfortable :D
With nice mids (nothing recessed) and sparkly highs~
$100 is my budget

Looking forward to the suggestions

Hm for some comparison, I guess, if you heard the Yuin PK2, something like that with a bit more sparkle on the highs would be great. Bass can be a bit more prominent as it probably will be since it is an IEM, but nothing to recess the mids.

And maybe good for listening to instrumental metal?
Demetori anywan :D
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
May 17 2011 04:57 GMT
#1407
Senn IE6
http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-IE6-Dynamic-In-Ear-Headphone/dp/B00125UBUG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305607770&sr=8-1

Shure SE210
http://www.amazon.com/Shure-SE210-Sound-Isolating-Earphone/dp/B0012UUL0Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1305608129&sr=1-2

Maybe abit over the budget but hopefully ebay can help
I bought a pack of cigarettes for $20, What have you done for your country today?
hellsan631
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 10:25:58
May 18 2011 10:25 GMT
#1408
On May 14 2011 14:55 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 13:53 hellsan631 wrote:
On May 14 2011 13:20 The Prowler wrote:
My pair of HD 595's died last week and my brother was nice enough to give me his pair of 600's. I'm finding that my motherboard isn't really able to power these things though and as a result am looking into investing in an amp.

That said I'm not really a hardcore audiophile and don't really understand the amp/dac combo. Can anyone explain exactly what those do for me? Does the using both and amp and a dac essentially take over all the audio processing from your source or would I still be suffering from using the computer? Will just an amp suffice and does anyone have any recommendations?


+ Show Spoiler [text] +
What an amp does, is it takes a source, and makes it louder (amplifying it).

A DAC (digital to analogue converter) takes a digital source (coax or optical), and converts it to an analog one.

Essentially, if one of these components is bad and introducing noise or not correctly working with the audio, it hinders the other one. You can go from a clean soundcard (200$ or more on that) to a decent amp, then to headphones, as the soundcard is basically a DAC in of itself.
Lets follow the signal of music, shall we?

Music is in the forum of a wave. In order for us to store it on a digital format (completely comprised of 1's and 0's,) we break it up and represent the wave forum in the value of 1's and 0's. (a bit more complicated, but oh well). The best way to do this without any loss of data, is by storing it in the FLAC format, which is almost lossless.

However, in order to listen to it as best as possible, that data, or flac file, needs to be turned back into an analog stream (back into the wave forum) Most modern DAC's do this at an ok level, but they are mostly integrated into your pc (think headphones jack on anything electronic).

The difference between a high-end, external DAC and one of those is the difference between having something in SD or 1080p. However, if your monitor (ala headphones in this example) isn't the best, you won't get all the detail.

So you go out and get a 500$ pair of cans (a set of headphones), and you can now listen to the dac without much trouble.

However, a lot of the top end speakers actually need the signal to be louder, (carrying more power), as the components that make up the headphones won't respond correctly. (speakers are made of magnets. better and bigger require more power)

This is where your amp comes in. It takes that analog source, and makes it louder (increasing current to it), thus allowing you to listen to everything in its full glory.

One weakness in this chain, and you won't have the full experience.

A lossless audio format like FLAC decodes exactly (no loss) into the source material from which it was encoded. i.e. it's lossless versus the CD. The CD has finite sampling rate (44.1 kHz) and bit depth (16 bits), so that's a digitized and thus lossy representation of whatever the studio master was. Granted, nobody can actually hear the difference between a normal audio CD and the studio master, so that's hardly important. And you may say the signal the microphone picks up in the studio is lossy (noisy) compared to the real thing, but that's a discussion for another day.

To claim that the difference between a relatively cheap DAC and a high-end external DAC is like SD versus 1080p is a gross exaggeration. Also, SD versus 1080p represents how much data there is, not the implementation of how that data is decoded. That's a different domain.


There is a difference between trying to explain concepts and giving a technical explanation. I was comparing an all-in-one motherboard solution to a high end external DAC. SD vs HD is a good example because, although the data is different between SD and HD, its an example of trying to replicate a scene as close as possible to the original format as possible.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 18 2011 11:00 GMT
#1409
On May 16 2011 14:48 Legend` wrote:
Got given Beats by Dre about a week or so ago, sound quality is absolutely amazing. Just can't figure out how to plug it into my computer <_<


HAhaha this would be epic if it was a troll post
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
May 18 2011 11:11 GMT
#1410
I have my Steel Series Siberia v2 @.@
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
May 18 2011 11:17 GMT
#1411
On May 17 2011 13:02 JSH wrote:
So I'm thinking about buying a IEM, as I only have pretty cheap crappy ones.
I want it to be really comfortable :D
With nice mids (nothing recessed) and sparkly highs~
$100 is my budget

Looking forward to the suggestions

Hm for some comparison, I guess, if you heard the Yuin PK2, something like that with a bit more sparkle on the highs would be great. Bass can be a bit more prominent as it probably will be since it is an IEM, but nothing to recess the mids.

And maybe good for listening to instrumental metal?
Demetori anywan :D


Give the RE0 a go. The bass may feel slightly thin but few can beat its highs, detail and balance in the price range.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-18 11:21:40
May 18 2011 11:19 GMT
#1412
Somehow I wish my RE0 broke so I have an excuse for bying the RE262 TT
Must....resist.....they are only 150 bucks right now.

@ JSH
If your budget is about 100$ you should always take a look at the RE0, you can get a fiio E5 + RE0 for about 100$. They are not for everyone, but still worth to take a look at. There are loads of reviews at the internets.
@ Uriel
An amp like the fiio E5 takes care of the bass, but I personally prefer them without the bass boost after burn in.

qubee
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands39 Posts
May 18 2011 11:20 GMT
#1413
ive got the steelseries 7H, really love it one of the better headsets ive used from steelseries!
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
May 18 2011 12:03 GMT
#1414
On May 18 2011 20:17 uriel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2011 13:02 JSH wrote:
So I'm thinking about buying a IEM, as I only have pretty cheap crappy ones.
I want it to be really comfortable :D
With nice mids (nothing recessed) and sparkly highs~
$100 is my budget

Looking forward to the suggestions

Hm for some comparison, I guess, if you heard the Yuin PK2, something like that with a bit more sparkle on the highs would be great. Bass can be a bit more prominent as it probably will be since it is an IEM, but nothing to recess the mids.

And maybe good for listening to instrumental metal?
Demetori anywan :D


Give the RE0 a go. The bass may feel slightly thin but few can beat its highs, detail and balance in the price range.

Yeah, gonna second the RE0 here. Love the highs on RE0. There's sparkle but it's never strident. I wish my DT-990 had that kind of highs.

Mids on the RE0 are very natural sounding. Like someone's actually talking to you.

Not that great with electronic music though. Doesn't hit all the deep bass notes properly. Made for normal bass guitars pretty much.
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uriel-
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore1867 Posts
May 18 2011 12:19 GMT
#1415
On May 18 2011 20:19 clusen wrote:
Somehow I wish my RE0 broke so I have an excuse for bying the RE262 TT
Must....resist.....they are only 150 bucks right now.

@ JSH
If your budget is about 100$ you should always take a look at the RE0, you can get a fiio E5 + RE0 for about 100$. They are not for everyone, but still worth to take a look at. There are loads of reviews at the internets.
@ Uriel
An amp like the fiio E5 takes care of the bass, but I personally prefer them without the bass boost after burn in.




I find the bass fine unamped as well, I use de-cored shure olives though which I find helps the bass presence a little bit. The RE0 will never satisfy a bass-head, but I'm a fan of its accurate and detailed bass.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 18 2011 12:23 GMT
#1416
Thanks for the suggestions guys!
I was looking at the RE0s as well, and read lots of positive reviews on it

I do have the E3 so I could use that to boost bass, but I don't mind being a less bass oriented as I value the Mids and Highs more
I like the sound to be more bright than warm

I was also looking at the ThinkSound Rain, if anyone has any personal experience :D
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Grackula
Profile Joined May 2011
133 Posts
May 18 2011 12:51 GMT
#1417
Don't get the RE0 if you have a variated taste of music. They're going to ruin at least one of your favorite albums. (and I'm not talking about electro-music here.)
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 18 2011 15:32 GMT
#1418
On May 18 2011 21:51 Grackula wrote:
Don't get the RE0 if you have a variated taste of music. They're going to ruin at least one of your favorite albums. (and I'm not talking about electro-music here.)

Care to elaborate?

What genres and why would the RE0s not match well with them?
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
May 18 2011 17:31 GMT
#1419
Hey im looking for a bit of advice here.

Im really glad i bumped into this thread as I was gearing up to get myself a gaming headset...but looking at this thread made me drool a bit...Im completely new to this good audio idea, as I have always stuck with cheap earbuds. However recently I just got myself a very nice computer, monitor, keyboard, and I would like do it justice with some nice cans. However the only one ive ever owned was worth 30$ so I dont even know where to start.

I picked up on a name i saw pop up in page 1...the Audio-Technica ATH-A700. I would like something like this, basically an entry level headphone that is around 100-150$. How does this compare to the more popular Sennheiser HD 555s? Are there any other recommendations you would have at this price range. From reviews i figured out that the ATH-A700s are a good bang for buck entry level, however thats all I know of right now.

Secondly, I was wondering if I would need to buy a sound card for my computer to do this justice?

Oh and how are the zalman microphones? Im going to need something like that to be able to simulate a gaming headset lol.

Thanks alot!
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 18 2011 19:21 GMT
#1420
On May 18 2011 19:25 hellsan631 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 14:55 Myrmidon wrote:
On May 14 2011 13:53 hellsan631 wrote:
On May 14 2011 13:20 The Prowler wrote:
My pair of HD 595's died last week and my brother was nice enough to give me his pair of 600's. I'm finding that my motherboard isn't really able to power these things though and as a result am looking into investing in an amp.

That said I'm not really a hardcore audiophile and don't really understand the amp/dac combo. Can anyone explain exactly what those do for me? Does the using both and amp and a dac essentially take over all the audio processing from your source or would I still be suffering from using the computer? Will just an amp suffice and does anyone have any recommendations?


+ Show Spoiler [text] +
What an amp does, is it takes a source, and makes it louder (amplifying it).

A DAC (digital to analogue converter) takes a digital source (coax or optical), and converts it to an analog one.

Essentially, if one of these components is bad and introducing noise or not correctly working with the audio, it hinders the other one. You can go from a clean soundcard (200$ or more on that) to a decent amp, then to headphones, as the soundcard is basically a DAC in of itself.
Lets follow the signal of music, shall we?

Music is in the forum of a wave. In order for us to store it on a digital format (completely comprised of 1's and 0's,) we break it up and represent the wave forum in the value of 1's and 0's. (a bit more complicated, but oh well). The best way to do this without any loss of data, is by storing it in the FLAC format, which is almost lossless.

However, in order to listen to it as best as possible, that data, or flac file, needs to be turned back into an analog stream (back into the wave forum) Most modern DAC's do this at an ok level, but they are mostly integrated into your pc (think headphones jack on anything electronic).

The difference between a high-end, external DAC and one of those is the difference between having something in SD or 1080p. However, if your monitor (ala headphones in this example) isn't the best, you won't get all the detail.

So you go out and get a 500$ pair of cans (a set of headphones), and you can now listen to the dac without much trouble.

However, a lot of the top end speakers actually need the signal to be louder, (carrying more power), as the components that make up the headphones won't respond correctly. (speakers are made of magnets. better and bigger require more power)

This is where your amp comes in. It takes that analog source, and makes it louder (increasing current to it), thus allowing you to listen to everything in its full glory.

One weakness in this chain, and you won't have the full experience.

A lossless audio format like FLAC decodes exactly (no loss) into the source material from which it was encoded. i.e. it's lossless versus the CD. The CD has finite sampling rate (44.1 kHz) and bit depth (16 bits), so that's a digitized and thus lossy representation of whatever the studio master was. Granted, nobody can actually hear the difference between a normal audio CD and the studio master, so that's hardly important. And you may say the signal the microphone picks up in the studio is lossy (noisy) compared to the real thing, but that's a discussion for another day.

To claim that the difference between a relatively cheap DAC and a high-end external DAC is like SD versus 1080p is a gross exaggeration. Also, SD versus 1080p represents how much data there is, not the implementation of how that data is decoded. That's a different domain.


There is a difference between trying to explain concepts and giving a technical explanation. I was comparing an all-in-one motherboard solution to a high end external DAC. SD vs HD is a good example because, although the data is different between SD and HD, its an example of trying to replicate a scene as close as possible to the original format as possible.


I understand your point of view, but I still think it's misleading--both in content and in subjective impressions of the difference. There are 24-bit and 32-bit DACs, and there are higher-resolution audio files with higher bits per sample and higher sampling rate (above what you need for 20 kHz so generally irrelevant), or different non-PCM formats. These more directly correspond to SD versus HD, so I think using this as an example is explain DACs is confusing. It's maybe implying a functionality that does not occur.

But maybe you got the point across better. It's hard for me to say.
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