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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15345 Posts
December 02 2010 22:34 GMT
#161
In the meantime, I am contacted by random English speaking people from Germany for legal advice because I posted in this thread :/ TL is awesome.

Glad it seemed to work out for you.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
December 02 2010 22:38 GMT
#162
On December 03 2010 06:59 RaptorX wrote:
Well im posting now to let you know that I havent got any other letters from these guys.
It seems to be part of the "pay or else" wave.

I read that in US there is a lawsuit in progress and I am very happy to see people reacting to this kind of abuse. http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-lawyers-sued-for-fraud-abuse-and-extortion-101129/

So, I think im good to assume im safe. Thanks guys for your support.
If anything else comes up I will update it here.


That's good you havn't recieved any followups. You might want to have legal representation in mind, though (do some research on a viable firm to represent you) incase the next thing they send you is a notice to be sued.

Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
December 02 2010 22:39 GMT
#163
Heh, when I saw this topic appear again, I thought to myself, "Is RaptorX getting sued for the first time...twice?", until I saw his post.

I'm glad to see that this thing was nothing to be worried about after all. Well, at least I hope it isn't. Be careful next time you download anime, though, because the feds might just go after your ass again! =O
The room is ripe with the stench of bitches!
Troopi
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark383 Posts
December 02 2010 22:40 GMT
#164
Well my english sucks so if its ok i describe the normal process in german:

Anwälte überwachen für die Konzerne die files, filtern die ips raus und gehen vor Gericht.
Dieses fordert vom Internetanbieter die Daten hinter der ip, gibt diese den Anwälten und stellt das Verfahren anschließend ein.
Die Anwälte schreiben dann die Abmahnung an den Betroffenen und drohen mit einem zivilrechtlichen Verfahren wenn nicht gezahlt wird.
Die Rechtslage dahinter war bis vor einem Jahr unklar. Ich weis nicht wie es aktuell aussieht.
Bis zu meinem Fall war es so, dass trotz tausenden Abmahnungen und "Nicht-Zahlern" noch kein Verfahren vor Gericht angerollt wurde.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17251 Posts
December 02 2010 22:43 GMT
#165
This was a rather interesting read, despite its length. I do find it hilarious how many people were off in left field, here.

On December 03 2010 07:27 Troopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2010 02:41 Blackou wrote:
From what i understand, he did NOT download that specific movie but a anime with almost the same name ( but with different copyright owners) so i guess it is not that simple in his case!

On September 30 2010 02:36 JQL wrote:
. They have pretty much caught you downloading their copy righted works and have solid evidence. Your best to respond and ask for a settlement discount since both of you wont want to deal with attorney fees and the court..



This film has been downloaded from his ip, he cant deny this. Even if he havent done it, one computer who used his internet connection did it.
Movie and Music companies often upload their files themself in filesharing networks and monitor them. So it is easy for them to see who is downloading and uploading (you getting sued for uploading at first. Since years many lawyers are doing this exlusively and sending out thousands of bills because it pays off.
I hade the same problem 3 years ago (downloaded a game, had to pay 150€).
I can only recommend to not use filesharing programs!
Have also a look at www.123recht.de .
There are a ton of people with the same problem where you can share your experiences.

What? No it wasn't -- that was already said repeatedly in this thread -_-.
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RaptorX
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Germany646 Posts
December 09 2010 20:10 GMT
#166
On December 03 2010 07:43 Craton wrote:
This was a rather interesting read, despite its length. I do find it hilarious how many people were off in left field, here.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2010 07:27 Troopi wrote:
This film has been downloaded from his ip, he cant deny this. Even if he havent done it, one computer who used his internet connection did it.
Movie and Music companies often upload their files themself in filesharing networks and monitor them. So it is easy for them to see who is downloading and uploading (you getting sued for uploading at first. Since years many lawyers are doing this exlusively and sending out thousands of bills because it pays off.
I hade the same problem 3 years ago (downloaded a game, had to pay 150€).
I can only recommend to not use filesharing programs!
Have also a look at www.123recht.de .
There are a ton of people with the same problem where you can share your experiences.

What? No it wasn't -- that was already said repeatedly in this thread -_-.


Some people dont read and some other people are really trying to blame me. Not sure which side he is on.
I won
mrgoochio
Profile Joined April 2009
United States557 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 22:02:16
December 09 2010 21:59 GMT
#167
Didn't read through the whole thread but I did read the op. The 936 fine will most likely be much much cheaper than any worth while attorney to fight the case. In addition, there is no guarantee that u will win and may have to pay much more than 936 on top of attorney fees. However, you should find a firm or individual attorney that specializes or handles these types of cases often and speak with them immediately. Most attorneys, at least here in the united states, will offer a free consultation to hear you out. You should talk to as many attorneys as you can until you feel comfortable with understanding the gravity of the situation.

Good luck
chengysogood
VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 23:49:27
December 09 2010 23:48 GMT
#168
On December 10 2010 06:59 mrgoochio wrote:
Didn't read through the whole thread but I did read the op. The 936 fine will most likely be much much cheaper than any worth while attorney to fight the case. In addition, there is no guarantee that u will win and may have to pay much more than 936 on top of attorney fees. However, you should find a firm or individual attorney that specializes or handles these types of cases often and speak with them immediately. Most attorneys, at least here in the united states, will offer a free consultation to hear you out. You should talk to as many attorneys as you can until you feel comfortable with understanding the gravity of the situation.

Good luck


no idea of german law: yep
you dont read a ~10 pages long thread: yea
you give advice: si
can you be even more wrong?

tl;dr thread:

he the OP found a forum regarding exactly his case. the law firm tries to accuse random people with formal wrong cases and get money, because they think actually, what you wrote there and pay because of fear and dumbness.
mad props if you work for the firm that tried to get money from people because they don't know their rights.

pls dont give advice if someone is serious and you have no clue. thank you in future. everyone
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