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baal
10693 Posts
Poll: Is there a GOD? (Vote): God exist. (Vote): God do NOT exist. This is a RESEARCH only thread, not a discussion one, please dont make this another "question to xxxTEIST" thread. Agnostics do not have a choice here, so dont vote if you dont want to  | ||
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baal
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
18 noma -_-;; ill go for..... exists. | ||
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:11 intotherei wrote: couldnt add a maybe? or im not sure? 18 noma -_-;; ill go for..... exists. it would only make this research weaker | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:14 Hot_Bid wrote: you should add a "god exists and the earth is 10,000 years old". see who touches that one. hehehe , maybe after this we can make a deeper research :D | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:14 travis wrote: i can't vote when i dont know wtf "god" means middle aged bearded guy, wears white robes, hangs out with the easter bunny, santa, and OGN starleague winner Yellow. | ||
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pyogenes
Brazil1401 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:14 Hot_Bid wrote: the bible can be wrong with god still existing keke ._.ayou should add a "god exists and the earth is 10,000 years old". see who touches that one. | ||
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:20 intotherei wrote: the bible can be wrong with god still existing keke ._.a indeed, thats why he says i should put an option for the ultra ortodox | ||
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Countdown
1217 Posts
riiiight.. weaker = more accurate | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
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baal
10693 Posts
pacience, i said maybe later a more specific poll | ||
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Refrain[FriZ]
Canada4337 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:37 HnR)Insane wrote: I like how the Atheist option has bad grammar :/ lol yeah, i saw that after i posted it and i cant change it  | ||
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ItchReliever
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
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Ryan307 :)
United States1289 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On June 02 2004 20:51 NoRTyDoG wrote: God exists. A rather forceful and self-riteous statement, I disapprove My vote is yes | ||
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:43 ItchReliever wrote: Logic dictates that God does not exist. But since I have faith, I'm going to vote how does logic dictate that God doesn't exist? you can use logic to prove that God obviously exists, the problem is just that logic isn't always meaningful | ||
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United States43 Posts
This doesn't need to turn into an argument over Creation Vs. Evolution. I'm just stating the facts of human reasoning. | ||
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nortydog
Australia3067 Posts
On June 02 2004 21:21 Vicious)Soul wrote: Thats what I beleieveA rather forceful and self-riteous statement, I disapprove My vote is yes | ||
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
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TeCh)PsylO
United States3552 Posts
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baal
10693 Posts
Actually it has been very useful, i tought the religions % would be WAAAAY higher. like 75% or something atleast. | ||
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Mydnyte
3306 Posts
There isn't even a yawn big enough to express my yawnliness. :YAWN: | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 22:32 Mydnyte wrote: Yet, another religious thread. Wtf stop posting the same shit. -.- There isn't even a yawn big enough to express my yawnliness. :YAWN: its a research, just for knowledge's sake | ||
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Mydnyte
3306 Posts
On June 02 2004 22:34 BroOd wrote: Mydnyte, you've become a parody of yourself. Ok. But, I still don't like you. | ||
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Mydnyte
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BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
I'm really not too worried, I just wish I could forum-squelch you. | ||
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 22:35 Mydnyte wrote: baal <3 I will yawn in threads you make, too. but that breaks the pre-nup! :p | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36399 Posts
On June 02 2004 22:29 baal wrote: Well its not to declare anything, just to know how many % of tl.net belives in god... Actually it has been very useful, i tought the religions % would be WAAAAY higher. like 75% or something atleast. Nah, TL has a high % of smart people, so I thought it'd be about 50-50 or 60-40 in favor of no god. | ||
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 02 2004 22:46 Hot_Bid wrote: Nah, TL has a high % of smart people, so I thought it'd be about 50-50 or 60-40 in favor of no god. it seems like it now i like tl even more | ||
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VdP]EpiphaNy
United Kingdom992 Posts
Before the big bang there was a very dense lump and time didn't exist. You can't ask stuff like how it got there or who made it, because time would have to exist for it to "get there" or for something to "make it". It's just either there or it's not. There is either a God or there isn't. As it happens it WAS there, all the matter and energy in today's universe in a handy lump. There is a God. God IS the lump before time. It went bang all of a sudden, rapidly expanding to create spacetime between the gaps and over time evolved from hot plasma with matter and antimatter annhialating each other and stuff to cooler, less chaotic, more matter dominated structures progressively towards stable atoms (the "7 days of creation", notice the subtle symmetries). And would you know it (skipping several stages) on a lonely rock, third in from a young star, conditions were just right for the right bunch of particles in the sea to eventually come together by coincidence to form something capable of assimilating and processing nearby nutrients and replicating itself, the single celled organism, the first spark of life. Skipping several stages ahead again leads us how we came about from the initial spark, and that's our creation story. I could spend hours appreciating how amazing it is we came to have consciousness, our body is the "temple of god" (consciousness makes us special, like a beautiful serene temple, as opposed to random crappy stuff around the temple like rocks and grass, which is all the matter in the universe which isn't part of a being of consciousness, ie us, and some intelligent animals, and maybe some aliens somewhere). Which is fantastic! But it all came from that single lump before time, "God" if you will. Therefore my vote is yes holy shit no one will never read this | ||
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baal
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
(I voted no to god existing on the poll) | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Simple human logic dictates that some form of God(s) do(es) exist. Think about it. If you were raised completely alone, without any contact with other humans to influence you, wouldn't you think the world was created by some powerful being(s)? Or would you come up with evolution as a way to explain everything? Your reasoning is flawed. Even if your speculation about what a person raised completely alone would or would not believe is entirely correct nothing about the actual state of the world follows logically from a belief. | ||
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Meta
United States6225 Posts
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On June 03 2004 16:48 Meta wrote: god = non exsistant, at least as more that a thought and why does he have to be more | ||
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Vicious)Soul
United States857 Posts
On June 03 2004 16:35 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: Your reasoning is flawed. Even if your speculation about what a person raised completely alone would or would not believe is entirely correct nothing about the actual state of the world follows logically from a belief. Google: Onotological Argument | ||
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pfff
Belgium1352 Posts
to non religious people god = non-existant to brainwashed fundamentalists god = a big guy with a beard who hates gays and who sends you to hell if you dont believe in him or forget to confess your sins by the way, i find it weird that almost 50% of the people here still believe in god, but that probably has to do with the high percentage of americans that visit this site. in europe, religion had a HUGE influence on public life (non-constitunial influence tho) because the largest party (60%+ of the votes) used to be the christian-democrats, and they build, what we call in europe a 'pylon' (yes, its also a sc term) that consisted of unions, lobby groups, bars, hospitals, social securities,... a large portion of the population was a member of one or more organisations of this 'pylon', but after a while (around the end of the seventies) it stopped working well, so a lot of people turned away from both the christian party and the pylon that it had 'build', another consequence of this was that people turned away from church too, so they stopped being religious. now, on a population of 10 million, there are 2 new priests every year. i think from the population from 0-55 years old, only like 10% is religious. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
if you believe god exists, press yes if you don't believe he exists, press no. if you believe neither more than the other, don't answer. it's a very, very simple poll. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
FAR more than 10% of europeans between 0 and 55 years believe there is some kind of supernatural force or god or whatever that created the universe, if nothing else through starting the big bang. (believing this does not go against science, as science really has no explanation for what was before the big bang, and hell, big bang is just a theory too. ) in fact, if you had a poll all across europe going "are you religious?" where the possible answers were "yes, very." "yes, slightly" "no", well above 50% would answer one of the first two options. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
Google: Onotological Argument I do not need to google it, I am already aware of the ontological argument . Two points: First, he was not making the ontological argument in any proper sense. Secondly, basically no philosopher takes the ontological argument remotely seriously anymore. Imho, nothing follows logically from someone holding a belief in something. | ||
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 03 2004 17:15 Liquid`Drone wrote: hey guys stop nitpicking if you believe god exists, press yes if you don't believe he exists, press no. if you believe neither more than the other, don't answer. it's a very, very simple poll. simple indeed ._.v, still it causes trouble lol | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:37 HnR)Insane wrote: I like how the Atheist option has bad grammar :/ And "God exist" is good grammar? It's actually, "God exists." | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On June 03 2004 16:13 baal wrote: I did, what can i say... atleast you dont belive in creationism BS Why is it "BS?" I mean, I've heard pretty good arguments from both sides, and happen to side with creationism; however, I've never really heard a convincing argument that creationism was "BS." Please elaborate. EDIT: I obviously voted "God exist." | ||
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
On June 03 2004 20:29 SickofLife wrote: well the thread was made by an atheist so hah!And "God exist" is good grammar? It's actually, "God exists." | ||
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
On June 03 2004 16:13 baal wrote: when did creationism go against big bang?I did, what can i say... atleast you dont belive in creationism BS | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
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Arbiter[frolix]
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RuGbUg
United States2347 Posts
On June 04 2004 00:29 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: You're telling me you said this without have any idea of its credibility?Well scientists working to the big bang cosmological model dated the age of the universe to billions of years before the bible's stated creation date. i don't want this to get to 30 pages like last time, i'm out, sorry | ||
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TLKiD
China1136 Posts
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
1-I have an idea of supremely perfect being, i.e. a being having all perfections. 2-Necessary existence is a perfection. 3-Therefore, a supremely perfect being exists. I wasnt aware of this argument so I'll just post it here for others to read it. | ||
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Ra1L
Spain290 Posts
Not a discussion thread nor a blame thread, just to know what people believe (even thought we already know what a lot of people here think). Interesting questions maybe :a) Do you believe in God? a.1) If a) answered yes -> what kind of God do you believe in? Religion? Do you believe in miracles? a.2) If a) answered no, dunno -> Are you atheist? Agnostic? b) Are you evolucionist? b.1) Do u think it could be posible an earth with less than 10k years old? c) Did Jesus exist? c.1) If asked yes -> Who do you think He was? d) Do your parents believe in God? d1) Are they religious? e) Age? Maybe other questions would be interesting, dunno, ideas?. "Just for knowledge's sake" (quoting baal) | ||
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KarlSberg~
731 Posts
Wondering about the existence of a perfect being, the meaning of "good" is philosophy. Wondering if there's a God who created mankind a few years ago and will send gays and people who don't go to the church to hell is just stupidity. But since I can't answer the first questions, I answered the last one. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 04 2004 00:43 RuGbUg wrote: You're telling me you said this without have any idea of its credibility? i don't want this to get to 30 pages like last time, i'm out, sorry No, *sigh* I was asking you to clarify your own subsequent post, when you said: "Scientists were only able to date back to the bible's interpretation of the date of the creation of humans, not the earth or the universe." Your post puzzled me because I was rather under the impression that God was supposed to have created the universe and man withing a few days of each other. I also thought that creationists put the creation of the Earth at just a few thousand years ago. Yet the big bang theory, which you claim does not conflict with creationism, suggests that the universe is several billion years old. How do you reconcile all these factors? Are you trying to claim that scientists do not date the universe at several billions of years?  Still, I suppose if you are 'out' you won't be answering. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
http://www.doesgodexist.org Arbiter, please point us to where the bible states the exact age of the earth. | ||
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baal
10693 Posts
On June 04 2004 02:50 SoL.Origin wrote: Interesting read: http://www.doesgodexist.org Arbiter, please point us to where the bible states the exact age of the earth. According to the bible men has only been on the earth for arround 7,000 years, and since the universe was created in 7 days well... there you go your date. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
On June 04 2004 00:29 Arbiter[frolix] wrote: The bible has a creation date?Well scientists working to the big bang cosmological model dated the age of the universe to billions of years before the bible's stated creation date. | ||
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Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
On June 04 2004 03:20 DV8 wrote: The bible has a creation date? Hmm.. my bad, I meant to refer to the basic creationist model, putting the creation at just a few thousand years ago. My main point stands though. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
(note, I'm not saying that the bible states a number or anything. just that if you interpret what the bible is saying literally, then the earth could not be more than 10000 years old, unless people lived for hundreds or thousands of years.) | ||
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
horrible site sickening that someone could actually write those questions and then come up with those "answers." :-( | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On the contrary. | ||
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January
123 Posts
On June 02 2004 19:19 Hot_Bid wrote: middle aged bearded guy, wears white robes, hangs out with the easter bunny, santa, and OGN starleague winner Yellow. ROFL | ||
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