EPTIs Hamas recognized as the legitimate ruling government over the Gaza Strip? Would they be the ones to receive aid had the ships been able to go through?
The Stratfor article is illuminating on the Psyops aspect of the attack.
News: Israel Attacks Gazan Aid Flotilla - Page 35
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Is Hamas recognized as the legitimate ruling government over the Gaza Strip? Would they be the ones to receive aid had the ships been able to go through? The Stratfor article is illuminating on the Psyops aspect of the attack. | ||
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WinHouse
Australia58 Posts
Fox news tries to justify Israels actions Therefor Israels is in the wrong. Here is a clip of an israel defence warrior talking about the incident and responce. Youtube is now censoring the video (views won't go up) http://i.imgur.com/6Mm0d.png A demonstration showing how the commandos are morons. Also israels have celebrated the event outside of the turkish embassy. | ||
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
On June 02 2010 14:40 WinHouse wrote: This is pretty simple Fox news tries to justify Israels actions Therefor Israels is in the wrong. Also israels have celebrated the event outside of the turkish embassy. aha seriously this is what we have come to | ||
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DeathRevnge
Israel10 Posts
Ahh and btw dudes fromTurkey no more vacation trip from us hope your economy will collapse. Which would fail anyway becouse you let a islamic Region pro Iran taking over your country. User was banned for this post. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
On June 02 2010 16:37 DeathRevnge wrote: Well here is what really happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&feature=popt00il01 Ahh and btw dudes fromTurkey no more vacation trip from us hope your economy will collapse. Which would fail anyway becouse you let a islamic Region pro Iran taking over your country.  EDIT: Also to note seeing how Tourists number a little over 30 million people in 2008 alone in Turkey, and seeing how Israel only has a Population of nearly 8 million I am sure the country will be fine. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On June 02 2010 14:40 WinHouse wrote: Here is a clip of an israel defence warrior talking about the incident and responce. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFbZkX7N4-o Youtube is now censoring the video (views won't go up) . That doesn't mean youtube is censoring it. Viewcount freezing on youtube happens a lot. Occasionally people get paranoid and think youtube is targetting/censoring them. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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WinHouse
Australia58 Posts
On June 02 2010 16:53 BlackJack wrote: That doesn't mean youtube is censoring it. Viewcount freezing on youtube happens a lot. Occasionally people get paranoid and think youtube is targetting/censoring them. Execpt it always happens to the same kinds of videos ALWAYS. >seriously No its a joke look it up. Footage of israelis celebrating it. Also on the video dipicting the COMMANDOS getting hit by blund objects They need to remember their fast roping 101 | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
I really hope now that turkey sends more ships with aid and this time with millitary escort. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On June 02 2010 17:45 Ricjames wrote: I would say Israel is a fucking artificially made place in the area of Palestine and they even fucking claim any rights in there. That is fucked up and no wonder there are suicide bombers and stuff like that. When they steal your home and claim it theirs - i would suicide bomb them too if there was nothing left to live for. All countries are artificially made, and rights only exist as far as they can be defended. It is the nature of conquest. The losing side hardly ever feels it has been dealt a fair hand, but it is all irrelevant. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On June 02 2010 18:06 WinHouse wrote: Execpt it always happens to the same kinds of videos ALWAYS. Oh please. This video has 2,000 comments and only 300 views. + Show Spoiler + OMG YOUTUBE! stop censoring terrible lady gaga cover videos!! | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On June 02 2010 18:25 Draconizard wrote: All countries are artificially made, and rights only exist as far as they can be defended. It is the nature of conquest. The losing side hardly ever feels it has been dealt a fair hand, but it is all irrelevant. erhm i would say the creation of israel was especially "artificial" to boot, in general the israelis i have encountered are a very unpleasant bunch | ||
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
On June 02 2010 18:31 phosphorylation wrote: erhm i would say the creation of israel was especially "artificial" to boot, in general the israelis i have encountered are a very unpleasant bunch The israelis i met were nice guys who don't deserve this bullshit of government. | ||
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Draconizard
628 Posts
On June 02 2010 18:41 Pika Chu wrote: The israelis i met were nice guys who don't deserve this bullshit of government. Attempting to generalize an entire country based on a small handful of individuals is beyond meaningless. Furthermore, what does it even mean to be a "nice guy"? | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
but still generalizing is human instinct and a useful skill for your survival how else would know how to respond to each (slightly) difrferent situation? by generalizing based on your past experiences but dont get me wrong i give each individual a fair chance before i prejudice them | ||
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Masamune
Canada3401 Posts
![[image loading]](http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/06/01/alg_ship_mavi-marmara.jpg) This is the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara that was bound for Gaza before being raided by Israeli troops and redirected to the southern port of Ashdod. Why are people surprised that they found knives and sticks on this ship? My dad has a toolbox in his car that has just as many dangerous 'weapons' and which he takes everywhere, including the church 5 minutes away... Open your eyes people--think objectively. I would be surprised if they didn't find all these knives and such on the ship and if it were completely clean. When your delivering aid (which I assume were secured in crates or boxes), how else are you suppose to open them? The Israelis are completely spinning this around. All the shit that has happened so far, from the whole blockade, nothing being done about Israel playing these games, American news outlets being completely biased and/or neglecting to cover this event, etc., just makes the cases for conspiracies stronger in my eyes. Also, I'm sure these activists were briefed about the situation and that they were going to face hostilities from the Israelis, although I doubt they expected this. This probably led them to panic when they saw Israelis streaming done rope one-by-one and caused the overreaction of them fighting back. I would too, and I consider myself a pretty non-violent person. | ||
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MamiyaOtaru
United States1687 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/7439/fastroping101.png) On June 01 2010 06:32 Half wrote: They call Arizona that though I'm just going to point out that this shit happens on a daily fucking basis on the US mexico border. Nobody calls the US "Nazi Germany". On June 01 2010 09:12 Armut wrote: "Hey we had a genocide in our history, sorry we do anything we want then" that means you have to be stopped and we shall do so. Those Armenians better not ever get uppityOn June 01 2010 17:08 Armut wrote: Cannot wait for the Neo Ottoman Empire. You've started with Germany obviously One day soon enough from today my country will have the power again as we had historicly almost gain it all the time between 2-3 hundreds years and this is something no one can stop.  Unrelated to thread content: somewhat amazed this thread is open still. Aggressive moderation makes it possible? Any rate, love TL for being able to discuss this with (for the most part) civility | ||
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Romantic
United States1844 Posts
On June 02 2010 18:45 Draconizard wrote: I don't know, maybe someone who doesn't justify the forceful conquest, occupation, and subjugation of people just because someone won a battle of violence. Attempting to generalize an entire country based on a small handful of individuals is beyond meaningless. Furthermore, what does it even mean to be a "nice guy"? i dunno though  | ||
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