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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
If you looked up, you would see On May 24 2011 23:58 DharmaTurtle wrote: Props then dude. Of course, this only applies to tokers in the US. @Darpa I was under the impression that fracktons of pot were exported from Mexico. If someone could correct me (with a source, preferably), that would be useful. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Stoners over here are quite the problem. Legalizing marijuana would crash a sizable chunk of the cartels, it'd be cheaper to buy homegrown than stuff smuggled across the border, even including taxes. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:08 DharmaTurtle wrote: @PanN If you looked up, you would see @Darpa I was under the impression that fracktons of pot were exported from Mexico. If someone could correct me (with a source, preferably), that would be useful. Looking for a source right now, but again I am only familiar with Canada. My understanding while there is literally Tonnes of pot being exported into the southern US. But it is dwarfed in comparison to the value of Cocaine exported into the US. Maybe not in sheer quantity. And Like the post above said, its way to expensive to ship north of the southern States (because pot just isnt worth enough). Canada gets very very little pot from mexico, all of our major busts here are from asian gangs with grow-ops. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:14 Darpa wrote: Looking for a source right now, but again I am only familiar with Canada. My understanding while there is literally Tonnes of pot being exported into the southern US. But it is dwarfed in comparison to the value of Cocaine exported into the US. Maybe not in sheer quantity. And Like the post above said, its way to expensive to ship north of the southern States (because pot just isnt worth enough). Canada gets very very little pot from mexico, all of our major busts here are from asian gangs with grow-ops. As said before, hard drugs like crack make up a small fraction of cartel revenue. Marijuana is where the money is. Though, per pound/kilo, crack is probably more expensive. I should have an earlier post here somewhere with DEA testimony on this. | ||
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Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:15 acker wrote: As said before, hard drugs like crack make up a small fraction of cartel revenue. Marijuana is where the money is. Though, per pound/kilo, crack is probably more expensive. I should have an earlier post here somewhere with DEA testimony on this. Woah, apologies, you guys were definitly right. GAO estimated that 9,400 tonnes of marijuana, 275 tonnes of cocaine and 19 tonnes of heroin cross the Mexican border into the United States each year, according to estimates by the GAO, the investigative arm of US Congress. Although the Dollar value associated with the cocaine transfer is only about half of the Marijuana despite it being less than 1% of the total volume of distribution. As for Canada, Less than 15% of marijuana comes from foreign sources, while nearly all hard drugs do, and particularily from South East Asia. O.o. | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
Buy Canadian, folks. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:31 DharmaTurtle wrote: Cool. I can resume bashing US potheads for buying "Bloodweed." Buy Canadian, folks. Or just get off your high horse. | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
Look what happened to blood diamonds. Do it to marijuana. | ||
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BlackFlag
499 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:45 DharmaTurtle wrote: I'm so very high and mighty, saying something like "Don't buy recreational products that support the deaths of hundreds of innocent people." Look what happened to blood diamonds. Do it to marijuana. how about your country practices what it preaches, and honors freedom and legalizes drugs? Or does freedom only compass what the conservatives think is right? | ||
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DharmaTurtle
United States283 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:54 BlackFlag wrote: how about your country practices what it preaches, and honors freedom and legalizes drugs? Or does freedom only compass what the conservatives think is right? You're completely sidestepping my point, lol. For the record, I support legalizing because people should have the right to do absolutely retarded things to their bodies, as long as it doesn't raise my health insurance. This drug war, however, is resulting in innocent people getting killed, so stop funding it. Buy Canadian. (I really like this new catchphrase.) | ||
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TheGiz
Canada708 Posts
I just don't understand drugs. Why bother? I don't mean to be argumentative. I mean this out of pity. I feel so bad for people whose lives are like this, and I feel worse for the people who suffer as a result of the industry that this culture supports. It breaks up families, neighborhoods, and towns. Its supporters are so militant, and yet they're missing out on so much of life because they'd rather stand in a circle in a garage and get high than get up and experience all the world has to offer. Are they blind? | ||
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DamnCats
United States1472 Posts
On May 25 2011 01:54 BlackFlag wrote: how about your country practices what it preaches, and honors freedom and legalizes drugs? Or does freedom only compass what the conservatives think is right? That's completely true. How conservatives in the US think: Let's make it ridiculously easy for anyone and everyone to go to the store and purchase a metal tube that shoots out tinier pieces of metal that serve the sole purpose of killing things, because we can handle that responsibility. But let's slap the next motherfucker that smokes a plant that grows anywhere and makes you tired, hungry, and happy with some serious jail time because that shit just isn't cool and we're not sure we're responsible enough for such craaaaazy things. Idiots. | ||
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qzlsecret
Mexico126 Posts
I support better the idea of global change by this i mean people acctitude,values, etc... countrys and world are just not ready to say legalize everything cause will happen what i just toldyou if people cant think correctly to say NO to drugs knowing its ilegal imagine if they legal of course price would go down cause the prices of drugs goes up the harder it is to send it around etc etc Now lets look at what moraly what this would look like: I legalize !! cartels you control the world !! either way i hope you understand what i try to say | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
On May 25 2011 02:23 SeCReTT wrote: indeed they blind and lost .. but this is fix by starting every little person on their own then at home helping those that we know that are lost... change has to be done and it start by ourselfs you can decide today we all think leagalzing is the easy way but you dont really know what that implies, if people do what they do knowing drugs are ilegal and bad imagine saying hey you can take it and no one can do anythign cause its legal, will go out of control shure everyone has their own right cause we all free but your rights end when you start harming others imagine walking down and someone stunned in the street hit your lil bro or sis or son what ever you like hey guess what is legal to take it he was out ofcontrol yea but damage has been done. I support better the idea of global change by this i mean people acctitude,values, etc... countrys and world are just not ready to say legalize everything cause will happen what i just toldyou if people cant think correctly to say NO to drugs knowing its ilegal imagine if they legal of course price would go down cause the prices of drugs goes up the harder it is to send it around etc etc Now lets look at what moraly what this would look like: I legalize !! cartels you control the world !! either way i hope you understand what i try to say obviously being high on weed is no different than being drunk off of alcohol so that argument is moot about being able to say you were out of your mind. Making it legal would oversaturate the market since it would be so easy to get that you could find it anywhere. In turn this leads to prices going down(competition ftw!). The cartels now makes less money which would hurt them in all kind of ways. Not to speak about locally grown stuff and the proprietors being protected by the police instead of hunted by them meaning cartels/drug dealers couldnt go after their competition as easily. Law enforcement wouldnt have to go after potheads and other non criminals and would be able to focus more on real crime and most of all would be able to focus more manpower on the cartels. Would it be an utopia to legalize it? nope, but it would get better. Alot better. Oh and the government would be able to tax all that shit and get even more money to spend. I could go on but those are the major points I could think of. | ||
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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
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qzlsecret
Mexico126 Posts
would be able to focus more on real crime and most of all would be able to focus more manpower on the cartels. Would it be an utopia to legalize it? nope, but it would get better. Alot better better? focus on thousand of crack addictes if you the crazy stuff they do when they are drunk gl focusing on real crime now GG you dont know what you saying man leagal drug is dumb and stupid supporting the freedom of somehtign that harm you is wrong basiclly you saying i spport people to destroy yourself | ||
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qzlsecret
Mexico126 Posts
good idea, you know how many people have kill gor a gram ? more tax, addicts would do anything to pay more crime all would be fix not cause goverment but all together | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
On May 25 2011 03:21 SeCReTT wrote: better? focus on thousand of crack addictes if you the crazy stuff they do when they are drunk gl focusing on real crime now GG you dont know what you saying man leagal drug is dumb and stupid supporting the freedom of somehtign that harm you is wrong basiclly you saying i spport people to destroy yourself I forgot to say it but I'm talking only about marijuana and not the heavy stuff. Crack and other heavy drugs are a whole different story and no good comes from using it. | ||
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monkey5476
United States133 Posts
On May 25 2011 03:21 SeCReTT wrote: better? focus on thousand of crack addictes if you the crazy stuff they do when they are drunk gl focusing on real crime now GG you dont know what you saying man leagal drug is dumb and stupid supporting the freedom of somehtign that harm you is wrong basiclly you saying i spport people to destroy yourself Yeah, because legalizing crack or heroin OBVIOUSLY means that every person in the country is going to go out and do it right? Also, I love the part in bold! Eating fast food harms the body, is it illegal? Playing football or hockey at a competitive level causes severe brain injury in many cases, is it illegal? I'd continue to refute more of your points but your post was essentially illegible. | ||
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Doppelganger
488 Posts
On May 25 2011 04:14 monkey5476 wrote: Yeah, because legalizing crack or heroin OBVIOUSLY means that every person in the country is going to go out and do it right? Also, I love the part in bold! Eating fast food harms the body, is it illegal? Playing football or hockey at a competitive level causes severe brain injury in many cases, is it illegal? I'd continue to refute more of your points but your post was essentially illegible. Come on he just wants the prohibition back... remember the time when crime ran wild and everybody broke the law to get some booze? I mean that turned out so well did it not? legalizing drugs would be at least a step to dry out the cartels. they only would have such lovely stuff like human trafficking and gun trading left.... urgh | ||
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