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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 28 2010 15:37 GMT
#201
This item is perfect. The problem with ipods/iphones was that they fit inside pockets. Now your expensive jewellery can be shamelessly flaunted and you can finally increase your social status!

+ Show Spoiler +
Under-priced if anything imo
No I'm never serious.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 28 2010 15:44 GMT
#202
On January 29 2010 00:25 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 00:12 Jibba wrote:
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote:
After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.

Give in to the Courier.

I've been sold already since they announced it, now show me an actual product.

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Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.

To be fair, if iPad gets enough traction, we'll probably see cloud storage like Dropbox releasing software for it, no?

they've already done it
https://www.dropbox.com/iphoneapp
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
January 28 2010 15:44 GMT
#203
On January 29 2010 00:37 Nytefish wrote:
This item is perfect. The problem with ipods/iphones was that they fit inside pockets. Now your expensive jewellery can be shamelessly flaunted and you can finally increase your social status!

+ Show Spoiler +
Under-priced if anything imo

I know amirite? Like all other mac products, it should have a sign on it that says "Hipster/Psuedo Intellectual", and it should be able to tell those guys at Starbucks how cool you are FOR you.
U Gotta Skate.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
January 28 2010 15:49 GMT
#204
On January 29 2010 00:44 CTStalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 00:25 Ecael wrote:
On January 29 2010 00:12 Jibba wrote:
On January 28 2010 21:50 illu wrote:
After reading all of these I decided that the iPAD is a piece of shit (what is next? iTAMPON?). I am starting to think some people here are hired by Microsoft to do this.

Give in to the Courier.

I've been sold already since they announced it, now show me an actual product.

Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.

To be fair, if iPad gets enough traction, we'll probably see cloud storage like Dropbox releasing software for it, no?

they've already done it
https://www.dropbox.com/iphoneapp

Didn't know that, thanks.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17770 Posts
January 28 2010 16:41 GMT
#205
On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote:
The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.


By 'developers' you mean people who develop apps for apple stuff? Because I know quite a bunch of professional programmers and they wouldn't even come anywhere close to apple products because it has nothing to offer them. They're either on Windows or Linux (if they don't need MS Exchange or Visual Studio).
Besides, how is iPad going to help you develop your stuff? To do some programming you need a keyboard, no?
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
January 28 2010 16:43 GMT
#206
On January 29 2010 00:25 Jibba wrote:
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On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote:
Well I guess it shouldn't be surprising to find nothing but outright hostility in a forum filled mostly with people that only use the computer to play videogames
Fair enough, except Apple has jumped on the gaming bandwagon and constantly derides its competitors for not offering the same gaming experience, including Nintendo of all companies. BTW,


Hard keyboard + gaming = win.
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So what is flash useful for? Besides watching streamed pornos and some cute games? (and I guess streamed sc too but oh well). Apple does not develop most of the things you see in the app store, so saying they're forcing people to use their apps is ridiculous, (not like microsoft does any differently).
Uh... yes it does. Microsoft allows open access to anything you want to put on their devices. WinMo has plenty of problems, but restricting what apps you can install is not one of them. Nobody else treats the enduser like a renter the way Apple does. Apple has complete control over what you're allowed to install, on an untampered device.

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The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.
RIM has handled it better with paid apps, and hopefully Palms new SDK will be good, but you're pretty much right. The App Store is what sets Apple apart, and it's currently the best place for devs to make money. This is the software industry, though, and it can change very quickly.

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The lack of a usb drive is not an issue. I mean I can imagine the horror at not being able to connect a laser-precision mouse to play your mmorpgs or whatever. But this is not meant to play games. External hard drives and shit shouldn't be needed because this isn't a server or a workstation. Even then, there are bluetooth hard drives, memory sticks, keyboards and mice, particularly from apple.
Uh... do you seriously not keep data on memory sticks? It's way more convenient than emailing files back and forth, especially large ones, not to mention there's a lot of useful USB functions besides just mice.

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It is also faster than most netbooks.
True, but again, the device is throttled by the OS, not the hardware.

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And well, in design it isn't even a contest. Apple has never been bested in this area.

It's a big ass ugly beveled pad. I imagine typing on this thing is a pain in the ass. iPhone is quite good because it's handheld, but how can you seriously keep this thing in your hand for more than 15+ minutes? It's fairly large, and you have to have the dock or set it down to type on it.

This is the Dell Mini 5 tablet.
[image loading]


Does the iPad really look prettier to you?


Have to agree with you on everything you just said, but it would take more than that to persuade a fanboy.

Can't wait to laugh at people lugging this thing around.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 17:15:17
January 28 2010 16:52 GMT
#207
On January 29 2010 01:41 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 23:54 Cloud wrote:
The iphone is the best handheld for developers. Blackberry or Palm simply don't have a way for programmers to make applications and distribute them. Even if apple is fucking up really bad with appstore and making it very difficult for programmers to release constant version updates; there is no alternative for developers. It's basically a monopoly, fragile, but present.


By 'developers' you mean people who develop apps for apple stuff? Because I know quite a bunch of professional programmers and they wouldn't even come anywhere close to apple products because it has nothing to offer them. They're either on Windows or Linux (if they don't need MS Exchange or Visual Studio).
Besides, how is iPad going to help you develop your stuff? To do some programming you need a keyboard, no?


-.- You program applications and sell them via appstore.

And well, I hate dell with their goddam repetitive use of that stupid plastic that makes a perfect surface to wallpaper your fingerprints. The aluminium surfaces that apple uses are way better.

The ipad weighs 1.5 pounds, about .7 kg. That's not too much. To hold the ipad, well you can use both hands instead of one or let it rest in your forearm. Fucking mindblowing right?

And yes I do think the ipod or ipad are much prettier than the dell mini tablet, I look at the photo and I can't guess what the heck it is, it looks like a hard drive casing.

I do use memory sticks to save my files and there are bluetooth memory sticks.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 28 2010 16:59 GMT
#208
I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).

MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 17:16:02
January 28 2010 17:04 GMT
#209
On January 29 2010 01:59 torm3ntin wrote:
I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).

MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!


A failure according to who? I mean you can call mac fans cocksuckers, retards and everything else this thread can come up with. Just like you would call coldplay or radiohead fans faggots and all you like. Thinking you're so cool because you're such a rebel that thinks good taste necessarily comes from picking a minority. Apple sells better than microsoft. I haven't seen a single guy in this thread that supports apple while calling the others cocksuckers or retards or fanboys.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
January 28 2010 17:09 GMT
#210
On January 28 2010 05:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Apple shit sucks and is overpriced. At least they are consistent.

Touch screen stuff is the worst gimmick since getting a coupon for a free drink when you buy fries and a burger.

I don't think they're consistent. I remember like 6 years ago (ish?) when the 4th gen ipod first came out. I had a choice of getting a 20gig player from apple with nice interface for 200 bucks, or a host of 128mb players for like 120 bucks, all with crappy tiny screens that would take forever to scroll thru your music, at least if you could fit more than 3 albums onto them.

Right now apple offers players that are very stable... but that are filled with DRM, lack codec support other players are giving, and are generally very expensive. The worst part about it though, is that because ipod have become so popular, many brands have pulled out of the DAP market in Canada... So if I want a player from Samsung or some other stable company, I have to ship it.

(Sorry this post doesn't have much to do with the tablet... I just want to say Apple used to be a pretty obscure company with competetive/daring products. Savvy people would flock to them despite being PC users, because they were offering the best mp3 player out there. Then apple turned marketing mode and offered a player in 6 fruity colours and nothing would ever be the same again.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
dinmsab
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Malaysia2246 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 17:17:25
January 28 2010 17:16 GMT
#211
On January 29 2010 02:04 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 01:59 torm3ntin wrote:
I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).

MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!


A failure according to who? I mean you can call mac fans cocksuckers, retards and everything else this thread can come up with. Just like you would call coldplay or radiohead fans faggots and all you like. Thinking you're so cool because you're such a rebel that thinks good taste necessarily comes from picking a minority. Apple sells better than microsoft. I haven't seen a single guy in this thread that supports apple while calling the others cocksuckers or retards.


Its not about good taste, when purchasing an electronic product there are many more important things to consider than "good looks". Most PC users don't even care what brand of computer/notebook they use, most of the time they would choose the best product they could get with the budget they have. Mac fans simply purchase an apple product without even looking at the competition. Well, if buying an ipad makes you happy, then why not? No need to get all worked up.

Btw, Apple does not sell better than Microsoft, unless your talking about the zune.
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wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 17:26:07
January 28 2010 17:24 GMT
#212


With the Launch of Apple's new iPAD, MadTv predicted the iPAD...Funny that
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 17:36:13
January 28 2010 17:35 GMT
#213
On January 29 2010 02:16 dinmsab wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2010 02:04 Cloud wrote:
On January 29 2010 01:59 torm3ntin wrote:
I love your post Jibba... i have some friends who would love to do a blowjob on stevie jobs but i can't believe they accept everything this idiot has to say about his shitty develops (ok he got iphone right).

MacBook Air was already a failure and this iPad will be another failure too!


A failure according to who? I mean you can call mac fans cocksuckers, retards and everything else this thread can come up with. Just like you would call coldplay or radiohead fans faggots and all you like. Thinking you're so cool because you're such a rebel that thinks good taste necessarily comes from picking a minority. Apple sells better than microsoft. I haven't seen a single guy in this thread that supports apple while calling the others cocksuckers or retards.


Its not about good taste, when purchasing an electronic product there are many more important things to consider than "good looks". Most PC users don't even care what brand of computer/notebook they use, most of the time they would choose the best product they could get with the budget they have. Mac fans simply purchase an apple product without even looking at the competition. Well, if buying an ipad makes you happy, then why not? No need to get all worked up.

Btw, Apple does not sell better than Microsoft, unless your talking about the zune.


http://www.vertygoteam.com/apple_vs_microsoft.php Up to 2007, though I don't think microsoft has done much in these years. Particularly because of all the mobiles coming out, I think microsoft is even worse.

Yeah I know it's not all about design yet some people, notably in this forum, take apple's good design as a personal offense and suddenly say there's nothing to apple but design. Wtf? As I have said before, it's hard to drag a different opinion from people who are only used to playing videogames and watching flash videos. I'm sure plenty of people here will say that Linux sucks, because games don't fucking work!
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
January 28 2010 17:40 GMT
#214
Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.

What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it?
This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.
AlTheCake
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1071 Posts
January 28 2010 17:41 GMT
#215
On January 29 2010 02:40 niteReloaded wrote:
Seems like people don't really like this, but I for one would like to have one if its affordable.

What ever happened to getting something just coz it has a cool feeling to it?
This is like buying a cool hat or something, and it's not completely useless.

Hats aren't useless! They keep my head warm~
9287
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States134 Posts
January 28 2010 17:46 GMT
#216
its a giant fucking ipod touch O_O
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
January 28 2010 17:51 GMT
#217
On January 29 2010 02:24 wishbones wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68aKVAzwQ4

With the Launch of Apple's new iPAD, MadTv predicted the iPAD...Funny that


wow this was pretty good
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 28 2010 17:53 GMT
#218
Too bad they had to call it the IPad. They should rename it the ITouch and call the old ITouch the IPhoneless. XD
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
loafmaster
Profile Joined August 2006
United States203 Posts
January 28 2010 17:55 GMT
#219
iPad sounds like you're trying to say ipod but you can't because you're retarded. -_-
eStoniaNBoY
Profile Joined December 2002
Switzerland439 Posts
January 28 2010 17:56 GMT
#220
All about timing. With Kindle out and others also in the field it seems like an forced early entry.
Even Jobs himself seemed bored :D

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