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Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 02:52:46
December 17 2011 02:50 GMT
#2261
On December 17 2011 11:43 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:38 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:35 Senx wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:16 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:10 Senx wrote:
Ive played it now and I can see why its such a huge success in many peoples eyes, its so similiar to wow in terms of mechanics and game systems that its actually really akward at times.


How is having something that has similar in mechanics awkward?


Because it feels like you're playing wow again? How is that not obvious lol



The last thing that i would equate the word FAMILIAR to is AWKWARD.


It's a matter of perspective and expectations. If one comes into this game with the expectations of having a nice, fun MMO that sticks to a proven formula -- there's nothing awkward about it at all and will be quite the enjoyable ride. If they go in with overly high expectations (which a LOT of people are) and they find it out to be really nothing that new, it could very well be kind of awkward. The connotations of those words are highly relative.


If they go into the game with overly high expectations and expect soemthign new.... thats actually what theyre getting. Just because it uses the same combat mechanics as wow(fyi every single SUCCESSFUL mmo for the next 50 years will use the same mechanics) doesn't mean it FEELS like wow, and it doesn't mean that theres nothing new about it.


Not just talking about the combat, the questing, traveling, rested xp, recall, grinding x/y mobs etc, its just so WoWish.

I guess I was foolish to expect somehing new when WoW has pretty much forced every single mmo developer to follow the notion that if you dont stick to our model you will NEVER reach our success. So better just TRY to copy us and pull in some safe and good cash with a model that is proven to work.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 03:05:21
December 17 2011 03:02 GMT
#2262

Heh. Well, have fun then. Time had fun is time well spent, in my book.

If I'm a douchebag to you, please PM me and we can discuss it further to sort out our differences. Otherwise, please don't take your personal qualms with me publicly in a thread not meant for it


The only "personal qualms" i have with you are compeltely public, because the only reason I dislike you is because of your posting in this thread. Why don't you just leave... im being serious. You offer nothing constructive at all, all you talk about is the constant flaws of this game and how great guild wars 2 is going to be. Go post in the Guild Wars 2 thread.

Edit:

Think about if if this thread was the SC2 forums, and Guild Wars 2 was broodwar. If you did this same thing you'd have been banned 6 months ago. So you say you don't want the quality of posting in TL to go down by shit like this, then stop lowering it. Respect the people who would like to talk about this game instead of about how much better Guild Wars 2 is goign to be.
Jieun <3
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 17 2011 03:04 GMT
#2263
On December 17 2011 12:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:

Show nested quote +

Heh. Well, have fun then. Time had fun is time well spent, in my book.

If I'm a douchebag to you, please PM me and we can discuss it further to sort out our differences. Otherwise, please don't take your personal qualms with me publicly in a thread not meant for it


The only "personal qualms" i have with you are compeltely public, because the only reason I dislike you is because of your posting in this thread. Why don't you just leave... im being serious. You offer nothing constructive at all, all you talk about is the constant flaws of this game and how great guild wars 2 is going to be. Go post in the Guild Wars 2 thread.


What? When did we get on the topic of GW2? I've been talking about the potential awkwardness of some high expectations being crashed down upon with my Swedish friend up there. All I was met with was baseless assumptions and you calling me a douchebag. I'm confused =/
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
December 17 2011 03:06 GMT
#2264
On December 17 2011 12:04 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 12:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:


Heh. Well, have fun then. Time had fun is time well spent, in my book.

If I'm a douchebag to you, please PM me and we can discuss it further to sort out our differences. Otherwise, please don't take your personal qualms with me publicly in a thread not meant for it


The only "personal qualms" i have with you are compeltely public, because the only reason I dislike you is because of your posting in this thread. Why don't you just leave... im being serious. You offer nothing constructive at all, all you talk about is the constant flaws of this game and how great guild wars 2 is going to be. Go post in the Guild Wars 2 thread.


What? When did we get on the topic of GW2? I've been talking about the potential awkwardness of some high expectations being crashed down upon with my Swedish friend up there. All I was met with was baseless assumptions and you calling me a douchebag. I'm confused =/


Dude this isn't a one day thing lol... This is your entire posting history in this thread. You've been making these posts for months.
Jieun <3
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-17 03:19:41
December 17 2011 03:09 GMT
#2265
On December 17 2011 12:06 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 12:04 Fruscainte wrote:
On December 17 2011 12:02 PHILtheTANK wrote:


Heh. Well, have fun then. Time had fun is time well spent, in my book.

If I'm a douchebag to you, please PM me and we can discuss it further to sort out our differences. Otherwise, please don't take your personal qualms with me publicly in a thread not meant for it


The only "personal qualms" i have with you are compeltely public, because the only reason I dislike you is because of your posting in this thread. Why don't you just leave... im being serious. You offer nothing constructive at all, all you talk about is the constant flaws of this game and how great guild wars 2 is going to be. Go post in the Guild Wars 2 thread.


What? When did we get on the topic of GW2? I've been talking about the potential awkwardness of some high expectations being crashed down upon with my Swedish friend up there. All I was met with was baseless assumptions and you calling me a douchebag. I'm confused =/


Dude this isn't a one day thing lol... This is your entire posting history in this thread. You've been making these posts for months.


Right, well, if you are refusing to actually respond to my points and explain your position and just keep calling me a "gw2 fanboy" for whatever reason, despite me not even remotely hinting to it in weeks/months -- I'll just take that as a concession of defeat. Now go have fucking fun with your game. Christ dude, I'm not even being sarcastic. If you're going to have fun with the game, go have fun, NO ONE is stopping you and I encourage you to have your fun. All I've wanted to do was share my experiences with this game and discuss the game. Just because I'm not picking it up day 1 and share a more or less negative opinion on the game itself does not mean I can not hold an opinion to share in the thread.

Go have fun, enjoy yourself. There's no point in getting worked up over other peoples opinions ♥

EDIT: How did they change the Inquisitor, by the way, for early access players? That was my first class played back in the Beta, so I wanted to know opinions of how it's working out right now.
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
December 17 2011 03:23 GMT
#2266
Btw, something to note, there is no specific NA or EU client. If you buy the game, you can make a character on any server irrelevant of location (For example, I'm living in Korea, preordered whilst living in the UK and currently playing on an NA server)
sjon03
Profile Joined July 2009
United States231 Posts
December 17 2011 03:33 GMT
#2267
On December 17 2011 10:54 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 10:35 sjon03 wrote:
Hello fellow Star Wars fans. I've been reading everyone's excitement for the game and it's stirred up some excitement in me too. I played the beta for about a week reaching only level 15 as a Jedi Sentinel. I am interested in joining the USEast PvP TL guild, but before I can do that, I need to buy the game! If I want to play as soon as possible, how should I purchase the game?


Just purchase digital thats what I did, got my key already to. Unless you don't want to download then just buy the physical from a near by location or amazon


I was thinking of purchasing the digital download, but I've only read bad things about Origin. I suppose if I want to do the digital download, Origin is the only way to go.

On December 17 2011 11:25 Rah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 10:35 sjon03 wrote:
Hello fellow Star Wars fans. I've been reading everyone's excitement for the game and it's stirred up some excitement in me too. I played the beta for about a week reaching only level 15 as a Jedi Sentinel. I am interested in joining the USEast PvP TL guild, but before I can do that, I need to buy the game! If I want to play as soon as possible, how should I purchase the game?


I have a Empire guild with TLers set up on The Twin Spears, it's an east coast PvP server. The guild's named Notorious, you can message Rahaze for an invite.


Yours is the guild I was referring to Rah, thanks. I will be contacting you once I'm in the game.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 17 2011 03:37 GMT
#2268
On December 17 2011 12:23 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Btw, something to note, there is no specific NA or EU client. If you buy the game, you can make a character on any server irrelevant of location (For example, I'm living in Korea, preordered whilst living in the UK and currently playing on an NA server)


Now that's nifty!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 17 2011 03:45 GMT
#2269
On December 17 2011 12:33 sjon03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 10:54 blade55555 wrote:
On December 17 2011 10:35 sjon03 wrote:
Hello fellow Star Wars fans. I've been reading everyone's excitement for the game and it's stirred up some excitement in me too. I played the beta for about a week reaching only level 15 as a Jedi Sentinel. I am interested in joining the USEast PvP TL guild, but before I can do that, I need to buy the game! If I want to play as soon as possible, how should I purchase the game?


Just purchase digital thats what I did, got my key already to. Unless you don't want to download then just buy the physical from a near by location or amazon


I was thinking of purchasing the digital download, but I've only read bad things about Origin. I suppose if I want to do the digital download, Origin is the only way to go.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 11:25 Rah wrote:
On December 17 2011 10:35 sjon03 wrote:
Hello fellow Star Wars fans. I've been reading everyone's excitement for the game and it's stirred up some excitement in me too. I played the beta for about a week reaching only level 15 as a Jedi Sentinel. I am interested in joining the USEast PvP TL guild, but before I can do that, I need to buy the game! If I want to play as soon as possible, how should I purchase the game?


I have a Empire guild with TLers set up on The Twin Spears, it's an east coast PvP server. The guild's named Notorious, you can message Rahaze for an invite.


Yours is the guild I was referring to Rah, thanks. I will be contacting you once I'm in the game.


There is nothing wrong with origin, people just over react a lot for some weird reason. But you don't have to download off of origin, you can download from the swtor website and thats where you have to register the product code anyway on the swtor.com website on the account you create there.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 17 2011 03:54 GMT
#2270
The other topic hasn't got many replies. Are there any guilds going on in Europe?
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antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
December 17 2011 04:06 GMT
#2271
On December 17 2011 11:50 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 11:43 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:38 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:35 Senx wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:16 PHILtheTANK wrote:
On December 17 2011 11:10 Senx wrote:
Ive played it now and I can see why its such a huge success in many peoples eyes, its so similiar to wow in terms of mechanics and game systems that its actually really akward at times.


How is having something that has similar in mechanics awkward?


Because it feels like you're playing wow again? How is that not obvious lol



The last thing that i would equate the word FAMILIAR to is AWKWARD.


It's a matter of perspective and expectations. If one comes into this game with the expectations of having a nice, fun MMO that sticks to a proven formula -- there's nothing awkward about it at all and will be quite the enjoyable ride. If they go in with overly high expectations (which a LOT of people are) and they find it out to be really nothing that new, it could very well be kind of awkward. The connotations of those words are highly relative.


If they go into the game with overly high expectations and expect soemthign new.... thats actually what theyre getting. Just because it uses the same combat mechanics as wow(fyi every single SUCCESSFUL mmo for the next 50 years will use the same mechanics) doesn't mean it FEELS like wow, and it doesn't mean that theres nothing new about it.


Not just talking about the combat, the questing, traveling, rested xp, recall, grinding x/y mobs etc, its just so WoWish.

I guess I was foolish to expect somehing new when WoW has pretty much forced every single mmo developer to follow the notion that if you dont stick to our model you will NEVER reach our success. So better just TRY to copy us and pull in some safe and good cash with a model that is proven to work.


Theres a lot of similarities to wow but at the same time theres enough new concepts to make it stand on its own imo. What Im worried about is end game content. All the flashpoints I've done so far have been zerg clusterfucks with no real thought put into the encounters. Choppy animations and all the group mobs make it hard for me to see this game have as good quality encounters as WoW did. Cinematics are cool and all but by the second or third time you skip through everything. The game needs to have high quality instances/end game raids to compete with wow at this point...we'll see what happens at lvl 50.
sjon03
Profile Joined July 2009
United States231 Posts
December 17 2011 04:07 GMT
#2272
On December 17 2011 12:45 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 12:33 sjon03 wrote:
On December 17 2011 10:54 blade55555 wrote:
On December 17 2011 10:35 sjon03 wrote:
Hello fellow Star Wars fans. I've been reading everyone's excitement for the game and it's stirred up some excitement in me too. I played the beta for about a week reaching only level 15 as a Jedi Sentinel. I am interested in joining the USEast PvP TL guild, but before I can do that, I need to buy the game! If I want to play as soon as possible, how should I purchase the game?


Just purchase digital thats what I did, got my key already to. Unless you don't want to download then just buy the physical from a near by location or amazon


I was thinking of purchasing the digital download, but I've only read bad things about Origin. I suppose if I want to do the digital download, Origin is the only way to go.

On December 17 2011 11:25 Rah wrote:
On December 17 2011 10:35 sjon03 wrote:
Hello fellow Star Wars fans. I've been reading everyone's excitement for the game and it's stirred up some excitement in me too. I played the beta for about a week reaching only level 15 as a Jedi Sentinel. I am interested in joining the USEast PvP TL guild, but before I can do that, I need to buy the game! If I want to play as soon as possible, how should I purchase the game?


I have a Empire guild with TLers set up on The Twin Spears, it's an east coast PvP server. The guild's named Notorious, you can message Rahaze for an invite.


Yours is the guild I was referring to Rah, thanks. I will be contacting you once I'm in the game.


There is nothing wrong with origin, people just over react a lot for some weird reason. But you don't have to download off of origin, you can download from the swtor website and thats where you have to register the product code anyway on the swtor.com website on the account you create there.


I see. I'm downloading from the official website as you suggested, thanks.
sephius
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom200 Posts
December 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#2273
If you digital download, can you start playing it now?
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 17 2011 04:25 GMT
#2274
On December 17 2011 13:13 sephius wrote:
If you digital download, can you start playing it now?


If you have early access.
sephius
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom200 Posts
December 17 2011 04:27 GMT
#2275
Oh right. Do you need to be a journalist or something for that?
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 17 2011 04:30 GMT
#2276
On December 17 2011 13:27 sephius wrote:
Oh right. Do you need to be a journalist or something for that?


Pre-ordered and it's random from there, I believe.
Aflixion
Profile Joined August 2010
United States191 Posts
December 17 2011 04:43 GMT
#2277
On December 17 2011 13:30 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2011 13:27 sephius wrote:
Oh right. Do you need to be a journalist or something for that?


Pre-ordered and it's random from there, I believe.


No, it's based on when you redeemed your pre-order code. At this point, however, they've already gone through everyone, so once you redeem the code you'll get in rather quickly.
sjon03
Profile Joined July 2009
United States231 Posts
December 17 2011 04:56 GMT
#2278
On December 17 2011 13:27 sephius wrote:
Oh right. Do you need to be a journalist or something for that?


I just bought the digital download of the game a little more than an hour ago. Early access was an addtional $5. I'm downloading the client now and I'm not sure if I'll be able to play right away or not. I'll PM you when I find out.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
December 17 2011 05:01 GMT
#2279
I bought it a couple hours ago, got early access within 30 minutes.
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hYdrA-MeNo
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico344 Posts
December 17 2011 05:20 GMT
#2280
On December 17 2011 14:01 Firebolt145 wrote:
I bought it a couple hours ago, got early access within 30 minutes.


yeah but now u got like a 2 hour wait on dl then 2 more hours in ques lol
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