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Baa?21245 Posts
On February 05 2015 06:00 motbob wrote:
I feel like Leffen would be the most valuable smash player possible for a team. He seems like someone who would completely buy into the sponsor and fan relations aspect of any team who picked him up and treated him well.
I agree with this very much. Leffen's ego is massive, but he backs it up with skill, and he wants recognition for it. He has the sort of personality where he doesn't feel the need to respect people he deems unworthy or who doubt him, but is genuinely happy to interact with those who respect his skill and accomplishments.
If a sponsor is willing to stand behind Leffen, the Leffen will reciprocate 110%.
That's just the way I see it anyways, obviously hard to say for sure how a person thinks just by observing him over the internet and social media 
Would it be awkward to have Liquid'Leffen and Liquid'Chillin xD
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On February 05 2015 07:26 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 06:00 motbob wrote:
I feel like Leffen would be the most valuable smash player possible for a team. He seems like someone who would completely buy into the sponsor and fan relations aspect of any team who picked him up and treated him well. I agree with this very much. Leffen's ego is massive, but he backs it up with skill, and he wants recognition for it. He has the sort of personality where he doesn't feel the need to respect people he deems unworthy or who doubt him, but is genuinely happy to interact with those who respect his skill and accomplishments. If a sponsor is willing to stand behind Leffen, the Leffen will reciprocate 110%. That's just the way I see it anyways, obviously hard to say for sure how a person thinks just by observing him over the internet and social media Would it be awkward to have Liquid'Leffen and Liquid'Chillin xD
Nah, the salty suite match actually was to determine who is worthy to be on TL :D
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 05 2015 07:09 ]343[ wrote:
Leffen is definitely S tier lol
I think the tiers (based on some admittedly-biased combination of results/skill) are as such, with plenty of ?s indicating they could be lower, and probably missing lots of players because I forgot them, oops:
SS: Mango, PP, Armada
S: Leffen, Hbox, M2k
A++: Hax, Westballz, Plup (these 3 are despite their unfortunate performances, or lack thereof, at Apex...), Axe, Lucky, aMSa
A+: Shroomed, PewPewU, SFAT, Fly, S2J, Fiction, Wobbles, Nintendude, KirbyKaze, Ice, Flash?, Colbol, Silent Wolf, Javi?, Zhu
A: MacD, HugS, Eddy Mexico, Larry Lurr, Chillin?, Duck, Kalamazhu?, Kels, The Moon, Amsah?, [Lovage if he still went to anything]
A-: Ken?, Okami, Lil Fumi, Lord, Laudandus?, Tai?, Weon-X?, Kage, Vwins??, Slox, Zoso?, KDJ, th0rn, Cactuar, Chu, Bladewise, VanZ?, Wizzrobe, Porkchops?, Blea Gelo?, Abate, DJ Nintendo, G$?, Swedish Delight, Zanguzen?, Mojo?, Tirno?, Arc?, [Zero? but he doesn't play Melee anymore], Overtriforce?
If only Lil Fumi were more active. I think Lil Fumi is the only truly "up-and-coming" player in America. Except Wizzrobe?
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United States10328 Posts
On February 05 2015 08:21 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 07:09 ]343[ wrote:
Leffen is definitely S tier lol
I think the tiers (based on some admittedly-biased combination of results/skill) are as such, with plenty of ?s indicating they could be lower, and probably missing lots of players because I forgot them, oops:
SS: Mango, PP, Armada
S: Leffen, Hbox, M2k
A++: Hax, Westballz, Plup (these 3 are despite their unfortunate performances, or lack thereof, at Apex...), Axe, Lucky, aMSa
A+: Shroomed, PewPewU, SFAT, Fly, S2J, Fiction, Wobbles, Nintendude, KirbyKaze, Ice, Flash?, Colbol, Silent Wolf, Javi?, Zhu
A: MacD, HugS, Eddy Mexico, Larry Lurr, Chillin?, Duck, Kalamazhu?, Kels, The Moon, Amsah?, [Lovage if he still went to anything]
A-: Ken?, Okami, Lil Fumi, Lord, Laudandus?, Tai?, Weon-X?, Kage, Vwins??, Slox, Zoso?, KDJ, th0rn, Cactuar, Chu, Bladewise, VanZ?, Wizzrobe, Porkchops?, Blea Gelo?, Abate, DJ Nintendo, G$?, Swedish Delight, Zanguzen?, Mojo?, Tirno?, Arc?, [Zero? but he doesn't play Melee anymore], Overtriforce? If only Lil Fumi were more active. I think Lil Fumi is the only truly "up-and-coming" player in America. Except Wizzrobe?
I think these players (from scenes that I know/pretend to know about) have the potential to improve massively, or at least show how skilled they are, in the near future, even if they may have been around a while:
Socal: Lil Fumi, RockLeeland. Mikehaze, Reason
Norcal: Laudandus, Delphiki
Florida: Wizzrobe, Porkchops, Gahtzu, Gravy
New England: Slox, Zoso, Squible. Also Lord HDL is reaaally good and doesn't play Link anymore.
NC: twitch and $mike 
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On February 05 2015 07:09 ]343[ wrote:
Leffen is definitely S tier lol
I think the tiers (based on some admittedly-biased combination of results/skill) are as such, with plenty of ?s indicating they could be lower, and probably missing lots of players because I forgot them, oops:
SS: Mango, PP, Armada
S: Leffen, Hbox, M2k
A++: Hax, Westballz, Plup (these 3 are despite their unfortunate performances, or lack thereof, at Apex...), Axe, Lucky, aMSa
A+: Shroomed, PewPewU, SFAT, Fly, S2J, Fiction, Wobbles, Nintendude, KirbyKaze, Ice, Flash?, Colbol, Silent Wolf, Javi?, Zhu
A: MacD, HugS, Eddy Mexico, Larry Lurr, Chillin?, Duck, Kalamazhu?, Kels, The Moon, Amsah?, [Lovage if he still went to anything]
A-: Ken?, Okami, Lil Fumi, Lord, Laudandus?, Tai?, Weon-X?, Kage, Vwins??, Slox, Zoso?, KDJ, th0rn, Cactuar, Chu, Bladewise, VanZ?, Wizzrobe, Porkchops?, Blea Gelo?, Abate, DJ Nintendo, G$?, Swedish Delight, Zanguzen?, Mojo?, Tirno?, Arc?, [Zero? but he doesn't play Melee anymore], Overtriforce?
I would change that SS to include Leffen. He did place over Mango in the 2 last tournaments.
HB and M2K are not on the level of the other Gods right now. But Leffen can beat any of them, and he did it pretty recently.
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United States23455 Posts
On February 05 2015 09:40 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 08:21 motbob wrote:On February 05 2015 07:09 ]343[ wrote:
Leffen is definitely S tier lol
I think the tiers (based on some admittedly-biased combination of results/skill) are as such, with plenty of ?s indicating they could be lower, and probably missing lots of players because I forgot them, oops:
SS: Mango, PP, Armada
S: Leffen, Hbox, M2k
A++: Hax, Westballz, Plup (these 3 are despite their unfortunate performances, or lack thereof, at Apex...), Axe, Lucky, aMSa
A+: Shroomed, PewPewU, SFAT, Fly, S2J, Fiction, Wobbles, Nintendude, KirbyKaze, Ice, Flash?, Colbol, Silent Wolf, Javi?, Zhu
A: MacD, HugS, Eddy Mexico, Larry Lurr, Chillin?, Duck, Kalamazhu?, Kels, The Moon, Amsah?, [Lovage if he still went to anything]
A-: Ken?, Okami, Lil Fumi, Lord, Laudandus?, Tai?, Weon-X?, Kage, Vwins??, Slox, Zoso?, KDJ, th0rn, Cactuar, Chu, Bladewise, VanZ?, Wizzrobe, Porkchops?, Blea Gelo?, Abate, DJ Nintendo, G$?, Swedish Delight, Zanguzen?, Mojo?, Tirno?, Arc?, [Zero? but he doesn't play Melee anymore], Overtriforce? If only Lil Fumi were more active. I think Lil Fumi is the only truly "up-and-coming" player in America. Except Wizzrobe? I think these players (from scenes that I know/pretend to know about) have the potential to improve massively, or at least show how skilled they are, in the near future, even if they may have been around a while: Socal: Lil Fumi, RockLeeland. Mikehaze, Reason Norcal: Laudandus, Delphiki Florida: Wizzrobe, Porkchops, Gahtzu, Gravy New England: Slox, Zoso, Squible. Also Lord HDL is reaaally good and doesn't play Link anymore. NC: twitch and $mike
You forgot
Tristate: Darkhorse
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Discussing anything beyond the top 5-20 players is kind of meaningless since there are SOOOO many players at that point on a crazy level of skill
Not to mention the amount of "hidden bosses" in each region, with varying levels of friendly vs tournament skill etc.etc.etc.
Also it's notoriously difficult to judge skill without actually physically playing someone (results just isn't enough)
Like for example to put cactuar in the same kind of tier as laudandus wouldn't really be right, but im pretty sure laudandus could take games/sets off a ton of the "A-" players you've mentioned (id like to think i would be able to go at least 3-1 with a lot of those players in a bo5 also), but he wouldn't necessarily be better than them
I dunno you just have to play people for real to find out how good they actually are haha
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can you guys imagine chillin and leffen being teammates though ?
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