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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
July 15 2014 17:04 GMT
#501
The thing is I bet Chillin is taking smash way more serious than Ken and KDJ right now, and it's showing.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
July 15 2014 20:45 GMT
#502
On July 15 2014 12:13 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:49 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote:
No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again.

Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage.

One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever.

On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:
On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.

Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare?


Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...?

Protip: never


The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach.


Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening.

wait


Leffen can't beat him. M2K can't beat him. Those are 2 really good Fox players. To be fair to you though, no one will/would challenge Mango in Fox dittos, so he could definitely be the reason why no one plays Fox vs him in GFs, if any Fox player does make it there. Good Marths have been an obstacle for Fox players as well, Ken/Azen/M2K, as someone mentioned in the past.

Also, EVO = all tournies ever apparently. Armada has been around in NA (albeit a bit on and off in the earlier years perhaps) since 2008.


The reason for no Fox ditto grand finals is not Armada. It's because no other Fox is good enough to make it there.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 16 2014 01:06 GMT
#503
On July 16 2014 01:27 Spazer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 17:04 rabidch wrote:
i havent been watching kdj, but ken is actually getting pretty good in socal. hes still old man slow and has bad habits but sometimes he plays really well

Ken is hilarious. Sometimes he pulls off the sickest combos and other times he just does the scrubbiest shit. He's improved so much over the last few years though. It's actually so funny how lopsided Ken vs Scar was at KoC4 was compared to KoC2. He'll never be top tier, but he's still damn fun to watch, and that's enough for me.

its only been a little bit more than a year
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
July 16 2014 02:37 GMT
#504
On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote:
I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals.

Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare?


Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...?

Protip: never


I wasn't implying that the finals are always saturated with 2 Foxes. I was merely expressing my dislike for Fox matchups, especially fox dittos.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-16 03:15:54
July 16 2014 03:12 GMT
#505
Fox might be the most overrated best character in a video game until a few years ago lol. I still remember when Fox had trouble winning tourneys at all despite being the most popular by far.
Nickemwit
Profile Joined December 2007
United States253 Posts
July 16 2014 05:28 GMT
#506
Fox isn't overrated at all. He's by far the best character and has at least half a dozen totally broken options that no one else has. He's just also by far the hardest to play, and Fox players SD all the time because the character is so demanding.

IMO the real 20xx is gonna be no Fox players because their controllers all suck
Fight Fire with ShrieK
Br33zyy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States296 Posts
July 16 2014 13:51 GMT
#507
What's wrong with prog, health wise? I saw the video but didn't really catch anything other than short breath.
Ohhh lawd..
lantz
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States762 Posts
July 16 2014 14:36 GMT
#508
uhhh Jigglypuff got 2nd??
Nickemwit
Profile Joined December 2007
United States253 Posts
July 16 2014 16:51 GMT
#509
Puff has been top tier for many years and she also has a favorable matchup against Peach, which is Armada's main, and he was the other contender for top 3. No big surprise
Fight Fire with ShrieK
Ognam
Profile Joined October 2011
United States798 Posts
July 17 2014 04:22 GMT
#510
Ugh so sad Armada v Mango grand final didn't happen. HBox is one of the few players that makes watching melee boring. Props to him for beating Armada though.

Also I don't get how people hate on spacies matchups. They're the characters that make melee exciting by having insane punish games, both for and against them.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
July 17 2014 04:26 GMT
#511
On July 17 2014 13:22 Ognam wrote:
Ugh so sad Armada v Mango grand final didn't happen. HBox is one of the few players that makes watching melee boring. Props to him for beating Armada though.

Also I don't get how people hate on spacies matchups. They're the characters that make melee exciting by having insane punish games, both for and against them.


I think Falcon is by far the most exciting character, although I do love me some Marth/aMSa. I've always liked watching some of the lesser played characters, which is why Axe's run was so cool.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
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