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Just_a_Moth
Canada1964 Posts
On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote: I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals. Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? If only Mango had played Falco... | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
On July 14 2014 20:37 nimdil wrote: Is there any prospect for Ken and KDJ to be top contender in the future or has the ship already sailed? They can maybe contend to be top 25, though the people around them seem to be improving faster than they are beyond that seems unlikely @darthfoley: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/EVO_2014/Quarters_Brackets, he got 13th (lost to Zanguzen and Plup) | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On July 15 2014 01:35 darthfoley wrote: I was just happy that there was only 1 Fox in the finals. Also, was Hax at EVO, and if so, how did he fare? Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. On July 15 2014 03:13 Zoler wrote: Wat? When was the last time there was a fox ditto grand finals...? Protip: never The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote: No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening. wait | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
He should've taken out Nintendude though  and the highest-level Fox ditto GFs that there have been recently are like, SSS's, heh | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
RoM 1: Mango, M2K, DaShizWiz Pound 3: Mango, M2K, PC Chris 2007 Evo World: Ken, HugS, Mango MLG Las Vegas 2006: PC Chris, KoreanDJ, Ken GS2: Ken, ChuDat, Azen Game Over: Ken, Azen, Isai Obviously there are tons and tons more tournaments to consider, but even from these somewhat notable tournaments spanning 5 years of pre-Armada smash history, we see not a single Fox main in the top 3. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote: No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. Uhhh Fox ditto GFs have always been rarer, heck Fox GFs have been rare until Mango. Funny enough it was Armada who actually created a Fox ditto GFs (RoF,Beast), because Leffen was a Fox that could beat his Peach lol. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 15 2014 02:56 ]343[ wrote: They can maybe contend to be top 25, though the people around them seem to be improving faster than they are beyond that seems unlikely @darthfoley: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/EVO_2014/Quarters_Brackets, he got 13th (lost to Zanguzen and Plup) Ken has improved a lot since his return. His play just looks a lot cleaner as a whole. He'll never return to his former dominance but he might get to the point where he can give some people trouble. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote: No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. Hax had a disappointing tourney. That Zangouzen(?) guy that beat Hax was a pretty good Falco player, but he just looked pretty bad playing against Nintendude. Guessing it was lack of ICs experience, because Falco should have little to no problem getting in on ICs, pressuring them, splitting them up, and then spiking Nana off the stage. One day Axe will break out of the 5th place spot barrier and grab top 3 for himself. The big 5 cannot deny the mouse forever. The reason for that is Armada. No Fox except Mango's can beat his Peach. ICs vs Falco is pretty evenish, slight advantage for falco imo. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On July 15 2014 03:49 Kyuukyuu wrote: Yeah, before Armada every grand finals was Fox dittos. Since he got here though, like at EVO, he ran through noted Fox mains Scar, HDL, Plup, Fly Amanita, Axe, and PPMD to prevent the hated finals from happening. wait Leffen can't beat him. M2K can't beat him. Those are 2 really good Fox players. To be fair to you though, no one will/would challenge Mango in Fox dittos, so he could definitely be the reason why no one plays Fox vs him in GFs, if any Fox player does make it there. Good Marths have been an obstacle for Fox players as well, Ken/Azen/M2K, as someone mentioned in the past. Also, EVO = all tournies ever apparently. Armada has been around in NA (albeit a bit on and off in the earlier years perhaps) since 2008. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19192 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 15 2014 12:21 tofucake wrote: another reason is that he goes Falco when faced with a Fox because he doesn't like Fox dittos. i believe this is correct, its quite rare mango will fox ditto in a tourney. i've never seen him play a number of fox mains with fox, always another character | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On July 15 2014 02:56 ]343[ wrote: They can maybe contend to be top 25, though the people around them seem to be improving faster than they are beyond that seems unlikely @darthfoley: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/smash/EVO_2014/Quarters_Brackets, he got 13th (lost to Zanguzen and Plup) On July 15 2014 03:18 Cloud9157 wrote: No one but Hax, Axe, and probably Leffen can challenge the big 5 right now. I'm stating the obvious here, and I'm not trying to provoke any TL fans here, but Ken+KDJs time is long gone. They're still better than the majority of the smash community out there, but they don't have the skill to be top contenders anymore, if ever again. hey Chillin just got 9th in EVO, beating out players like Colbol and Westballz. If Chillin can do it, Ken and KDJ can definitely do it and become real top contenders again. They're doing very well for the time they've had imo | ||
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tRuE008
United States54 Posts
HungryBox was pretty hyped though. As much as I wanted to see Armada vs. Mango in grand final, HB beating Armada's YL and PPMD's falco is an achievement I'm glad I witnessed. Coming into evo, I was expecting HB to fall off as one of the gods, but was proven wrong. Good job HungryBox. SilentWolf's run was unexpected also. KoC4 was the best tournament this summer, imo. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On July 15 2014 12:13 Cloud9157 wrote: Leffen can't beat him. M2K can't beat him. Those are 2 really good Fox players. To be fair to you though, no one will/would challenge Mango in Fox dittos, so he could definitely be the reason why no one plays Fox vs him in GFs, if any Fox player does make it there. Good Marths have been an obstacle for Fox players as well, Ken/Azen/M2K, as someone mentioned in the past. Also, EVO = all tournies ever apparently. Armada has been around in NA (albeit a bit on and off in the earlier years perhaps) since 2008. So what you are saying is, Fox dittos GF IS RARE ...And it's not because of Armada because prior to that Fox had a few GFs appearances. Plus Leffen has shown to be capable of beating his Peach, which funnily enough actually brought the Fox ditto GFs upon us. Remember Fox was derided as not being able to win tourneys because it was true (PC was the only one who really won anything), until friggin Mango. I don't get it, as good as AR is he's no more of a reason than M2K, PP, etc. for Fox not making to GFs lol. Also Armada's first NA tourney was Genesis, in the summer of 09. | ||
Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On July 15 2014 17:04 rabidch wrote: i havent been watching kdj, but ken is actually getting pretty good in socal. hes still old man slow and has bad habits but sometimes he plays really well Ken is hilarious. Sometimes he pulls off the sickest combos and other times he just does the scrubbiest shit. He's improved so much over the last few years though. It's actually so funny how lopsided Ken vs Scar was at KoC4 was compared to KoC2. He'll never be top tier, but he's still damn fun to watch, and that's enough for me. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
He's not even that bad at this point, I consider 33. at EVO respectable. | ||
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