EPTNBA Playoffs 2013 - Page 155
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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N1k0
Uruguay1075 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On May 19 2013 11:53 N1k0 wrote: This playoffs have really exposed Woodson as not a really good coach. Your not really blessed as a coach with Melo, JR and Felton as the main guys on your team either. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 19 2013 11:53 N1k0 wrote: This playoffs have really exposed Woodson as not a really good coach. I think he's made the Knicks better. He may not be a top 5 coach, but he's still probably top 10. They really just don't have great pieces to work with. Amare is broken and the 3rd-5th best players on the team are Smith, Felton, and... Shumpert? Maybe Novak if he's not injured? Compared to Hill, West and Stephenson. I think JR Smith just completed the worst mass shooting performance in a playoff series ever. 26-90. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On May 19 2013 07:57 Holcan wrote: dude jumped from the free throw line, and made a world famous logo from it, who underrates him as an athlete? x.x Dont see what his brand has to do with it (though it does increase his legacy) but I would say he is underrated sometimes, specially as we get further from his era. At least among the crazies here who say kobe>mj. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 19 2013 11:52 On_Slaught wrote: I'm sorry but this is an absurd statement. There is literally nothing more important than "the clutch." Yes, his teammates let him down and Yes he put them in a position so that the situation can even be considered clutch because they have a chance of winning, but it means all of jack shit if they don't actually win the game because nobody can score at the very end when they need it. Lebron got shit for years because he wasn't closing games. Doesn't matter in the end though because the way this Knicks team is built they can never be successful. Too old and too selfish. No, learn the game first. All 48 minutes are equally important. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 19 2013 11:52 On_Slaught wrote: I'm sorry but this is an absurd statement. There is literally nothing more important than "the clutch." Yes, his teammates let him down and Yes he put them in a position so that the situation can even be considered clutch because they have a chance of winning, but it means all of jack shit if they don't actually win the game because nobody can score at the very end when they need it. Lebron got shit for years because he wasn't closing games. Because sports journalists tend to be idiots. Lebron still has less clutch moments than someone like Kobe, because he closes out games by midway in the 4th quarter. Kobe, on the other hand, is perceived as clutch because he has so many moments, even though his team was in the situation because of his poor shooting before the last few minutes. In this case, Carmelo had a pretty great game and a fantastic 3rd quarter that put the Knicks in the situation. The defense tightened up and it made it more difficult for everyone, yet he was still finding open teammates. His 4th quarter wasn't that bad at all. "Clutch" is the most overrated label in the league. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 19 2013 11:52 On_Slaught wrote: I'm sorry but this is an absurd statement. There is literally nothing more important than "the clutch." Yes, his teammates let him down and Yes he put them in a position so that the situation can even be considered clutch because they have a chance of winning, but it means all of jack shit if they don't actually win the game because nobody can score at the very end when they need it. Lebron got shit for years because he wasn't closing games. Doesn't matter in the end though because the way this Knicks team is built they can never be successful. Too old and too selfish. I thought the TL NBA thread was over the whole "clutch" stupidity. Guess I was wrong. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 19 2013 12:20 Ace wrote: I always find the notion of clutch hilarious because the widely recognized GOAT, MJ himself didn't have many of them. Especially the 72-10 version who blew teams out by halftime. Great players avoid clutch moments as much as possible. Well, MJ's record on game winning playoff shots was still pretty absurd. 9-18. The funny thing is that he got worse as he won champions. Obviously it's such a small sample size that it doesn't mean anything, but he was 4-6 before winning a championship and 5-12 after. Just goes to show how much being clutch meant to his and the Bulls' run.  They probably still would've won 6 championships if he'd only made like 2-15 or 3-14 of those shots. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 19 2013 12:34 krndandaman wrote: I thought melo was pretty bad in the 4th. Got beat on alot of rebounds, missed alot of shots, made two key turnovers, etc. You're right, the 3 TOs is pretty bad, and I misread the shot chart on ESPN. Thought the hoop was a bucket. :X There's the block. So little effort to go after the ball or pressure George after it happened. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On May 19 2013 11:52 On_Slaught wrote: I'm sorry but this is an absurd statement. There is literally nothing more important than "the clutch." Yes, his teammates let him down and Yes he put them in a position so that the situation can even be considered clutch because they have a chance of winning, but it means all of jack shit if they don't actually win the game because nobody can score at the very end when they need it. Lebron got shit for years because he wasn't closing games. Doesn't matter in the end though because the way this Knicks team is built they can never be successful. Too old and too selfish. You're so backwards on your clutch philosophy. Would your prefer the reverse? That he shoot 20% in the first 25 shots then 75% on his next 5? Simply due to the quarter of when those shots happen to occur? | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Miami Heat- Mickey Arison; CEO of Carnival Cruiselines Indiana Pacers- Herb Simon; Simon Property Group (the mall people) San Antonio Spurs- Peter Holt; Caterpillar dealer Memphis Grizzlies- Michael Pera; some tech company, idk idgaf | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
If the Knicks want to blame someone, look right at JR Smith. Dude was sixth man of the year for the Pacers this series. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On May 19 2013 12:37 Jibba wrote: Well, MJ's record on game winning playoff shots was still pretty absurd. 9-18. The funny thing is that he got worse as he won champions. Obviously it's such a small sample size that it doesn't mean anything, but he was 4-6 before winning a championship and 5-12 after. Just goes to show how much being clutch meant to his and the Bulls' run. They probably still would've won 6 championships if he'd only made like 2-15 or 3-14 of those shots.Ya, plus it's kind of gibberish when you consider he was 6 for 6 on finals series with no game 7's needed for any of them. Then he never scored less than 20 points in any of the finals games. Too sick. In a way, LBJ has already lost the battle when he lost to the Mavs | ||
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