Well we're making a big assumption about who's fault the offensive woes are. Woodson, of course, has to take the final blame, but, as similar as this is to the Atlanta teams, is it really so much different than the Nuggets teams?

Bebe- you misunderstand. They aren't saying that Melo is a 6th man. They're saying that no team with him as the primary option is going to win a championship (or likely get to a CF).

Also, not playing Copeland and Novak more at this point is criminal.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 15 2013 22:44 GMT

#2822

Melo is a max contract player on a sub-championship level team. His best asset for a team is his marketing potential which may, in fact, make him worth the money, but he's not worth the money if you're going for championships.

This Knicks team isn't competing with the Heat with Phil Jackson or Greg Popovich or Pat Riley as their coach. It's an old team built without a real offensive system in mind, and when it did have an offensive system, youth and room to grow, that was all scrapped in order to get Carmelo. Now they've got stars and little to no cohesion.

He is a chucker and Woodson calls them, in part, because that's how he plays. How many seasons in a row do they have to go through this for people to realize it? He's not quite the black hole he was during most of his time in Denver, but he still tends to be a ball stopper and he doesn't open up their perimeter shooters as well as Felton/Chandler PnRs do (although the Pacers are great against it.) If you're going to live and die with Carmelo going off while taking difficult shots, you're going to do a whole lot of dying.

It's funny that Knicks fans keep citing the Pacers defense as unbreakable, as if Wade/Bryant/Jordan and Lebron never had to play stingy and even more physical defenses. This isn't something isolated to this specific team (although the Knicks roster was poorly put together.) His eFG % in the playoffs is a good 5% lower than those superstars throughout their careers.

The team's offensive rating is actually higher without him on the floor, this post-season.

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

May 15 2013 23:49 GMT

#2823

BULLS BACK IN THIS

Jerubaal

United States7684 Posts

May 15 2013 23:57 GMT

#2824

Dystopia, don't you know that every time the Heat don't blow a team out of the water, it's just because they were feeling bored or charitable?

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 16 2013 00:04 GMT

#2825

So my dad thought Cliff Paul was real. He also though Blake Griffin was a race car driver.

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

May 16 2013 00:04 GMT

#2826

On May 16 2013 08:57 Jerubaal wrote:
Dystopia, don't you know that every time the Heat don't blow a team out of the water, it's just because they were feeling bored or charitable?

One can dream.
I don't think any team is charitable enough to go like 6/22 over an entire quarter.
Good to see Nate Robinson finding the damn basket again too.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

May 16 2013 00:21 GMT

#2827

Just caught the last seconds of the first half on the radio.

Is it true the Heat were up 18 points in the first quarter but are now down 6? Dah fuck Miami? You're playing a team that couldn't beat the Lakers atm and they are showing you up at home. Embarassing.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

May 16 2013 00:23 GMT

#2828

Boozer's playing great, Robinson is back to making ridiculous shots and Chalmers, Battier and Allen are missing open 3's.

SCNewb

Canada2210 Posts

May 16 2013 00:28 GMT

#2829

On May 16 2013 06:57 Jibba wrote:
He'll never agree to it. He sees himself as an equal with Lebron and Wade.

How many years do you figure Wade can still play at a top level? The knee issues seem to be recurring and a big part of his game is attacking the basket. As a Wade fan I definitely hold my breath everytime he comes down with a tumble and starts wincing lol

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

May 16 2013 00:42 GMT

#2830

Butler making these ridiculous off te dribble fadeaways is the best thing.

a176

Canada6688 Posts

May 16 2013 00:43 GMT

#2831

Lebron time.

RowdierBob

Australia13537 Posts

May 16 2013 00:56 GMT

#2832

Rip's corpse showing some retro game tonight.

DystopiaX

United States16236 Posts

May 16 2013 00:56 GMT

#2833

I have no idea how rip Hamilton isn't dying on the court but once again, not complaining.

RowdierBob

Australia13537 Posts

May 16 2013 01:00 GMT

#2834

Wade gone now? Last man standing will win the Chip this year at this rate.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

May 16 2013 01:01 GMT

#2835

I'm still very confident the Heat will win this game, but holy hell... this Heat team is looking less and less scary. With Wade being a shell of himself they are going to have their hands full with the Pacers.

It feels like the only way the Bulls can score is some wild shot that magically goes down as the shot clock runs out. No way that can be maintained as the Heat lock down even more in the 4th.

nemY

United States3119 Posts

May 16 2013 01:08 GMT

#2836

Alpha Bro.

On a related side note, the Dubs have done well, but I can't see them winning this series :/

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

May 16 2013 01:18 GMT

#2837

Wade literally tackled Noah under the basket for a no call and they have the audacity to give a flagrant foul on the fast break? So fucked up.

Edit: Changed to common foul. The King Flopper didn't get his way lol.

Roggay

Switzerland6320 Posts

May 16 2013 01:20 GMT

#2838

Good job refs.

Scarecrow

Korea (South)9175 Posts

May 16 2013 01:20 GMT

#2839

Lebron really sold that one