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On December 06 2012 05:05 Risen wrote:
I missed it again! AGH! Sorry. On the plus side, as long as you keep making these "Missed it! AGH!" posts, I'm keeping you active. ;-)
Probably next game we should change the going-inactive thing to depend on a number of days rather than a number of moves. I based it on moves mostly because that was easier to keep track of, since I was already tracking votes, but with so many votes being unanimous, it turns into something of a vicious cycle, where each vote takes fewer moves to close and only the hyperactive stay active.
If anyone wants to officially go active again, just say so, though, and/or send in conditional votes if you're not sure you'll be around for the official voting period.
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Interesting board qrs. My solution in spoiler (I assumed its blacks turn).
+ Show Spoiler +The problem is that I can only find solutions for mate in 3. So I guess I have missed something.
1... Qxf3 2. Qd1 Qxh1+ 3. Ng1 Qxg1++
1... Qxf3 2. Ng1 Qf2+ 3. Kd1 Ne3++
All other moves for white is mate in 2 moves for black. Will be looking forward to the answer.
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Edit: quoting the original post, since it's on the previous page.
On December 06 2012 04:58 qrs wrote:By the way, I played a game today which led to a pretty little position. Here's the board on the previous move, more or less (reconstructed after the fact): You can treat it as a puzzle, if you like: Black to mate in 4. The full mate is a little tricky, but the first move isn't too hard to spot and leads to a pretty position, as I said. (I didn't actually work out the mate myself; I thought about it for a little and worked out a couple of the lines, but eventually I just tossed it to a computer to confirm there was a forced mate. In the game itself, White resigned after the next move.)
On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:
I assumed its blacks turn I think that's the convention when the wording of the problem is "[White/Black] to mate in x". In either case, yes, that's what I intended.
On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The problem is that I can only find solutions for mate in 3. So I guess I have missed something.
1... Qxf3 2. Qd1 Qxh1+ 3. Ng1 Qxg1++
1... Qxf3 2. Ng1 Qf2+ 3. Kd1 Ne3++
All other moves for white is mate in 2 moves for black. Will be looking forward to the answer.
Those are more or less the lines I'd found as well, but then I noticed + Show Spoiler [another move for White] +. That's the most challenging line. I played around with the pieces a little and thought it was probably still mate, but I hadn't nailed it down and it was definitely taking me a lot longer than 4 moves. However, the computer found a clever way to handle it.
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On December 06 2012 06:54 qrs wrote:I think that's the convention when the wording of the problem is "[White/Black] to mate in x". In either case, yes, that's what I intended. Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The problem is that I can only find solutions for mate in 3. So I guess I have missed something.
1... Qxf3 2. Qd1 Qxh1+ 3. Ng1 Qxg1++
1... Qxf3 2. Ng1 Qf2+ 3. Kd1 Ne3++
All other moves for white is mate in 2 moves for black. Will be looking forward to the answer.
Those are the lines I'd found as well, but then I noticed + Show Spoiler [another move for White] +. That's the most challenging line. I played around with the pieces a little and thought it was probably still mate, but I hadn't nailed it down and it was definitely taking me a lot longer than 4 moves. However, the computer found a clever way to handle it.
Yeah, I was about to post that best play for white uses that move, however I only end up with mate in 5 moves.
+ Show Spoiler +1. ... Qxf3
2. e4 Ne3 threatens mate on c2 and g2
3. Nf2 Nxc2+
4. Kf1 Bh3+
5. Kg1 Qg2++
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On December 06 2012 07:00 Fyrewolf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 06:54 qrs wrote:On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:
I assumed its blacks turn I think that's the convention when the wording of the problem is "[White/Black] to mate in x". In either case, yes, that's what I intended. On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The problem is that I can only find solutions for mate in 3. So I guess I have missed something.
1... Qxf3 2. Qd1 Qxh1+ 3. Ng1 Qxg1++
1... Qxf3 2. Ng1 Qf2+ 3. Kd1 Ne3++
All other moves for white is mate in 2 moves for black. Will be looking forward to the answer.
Those are the lines I'd found as well, but then I noticed + Show Spoiler [another move for White] +. That's the most challenging line. I played around with the pieces a little and thought it was probably still mate, but I hadn't nailed it down and it was definitely taking me a lot longer than 4 moves. However, the computer found a clever way to handle it. Yeah, I was about to post that best play for white uses that move, however I only end up with mate in 5 moves. + Show Spoiler +1. ... Qxf3
2. e4 Ne3 threatens mate on c2 and g2
3. Nf2 Nxc2+
4. Kf1 Bh3+
5. Kg1 Qg2++ You're already doing better than I did. I tried + Show Spoiler [2...] +, which starts to get messy. Your move keeps the noose tight and is best. You also found White's only defense. However, on the third move, Black has an improvement.
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On December 06 2012 07:11 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 07:00 Fyrewolf wrote:On December 06 2012 06:54 qrs wrote:On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:
I assumed its blacks turn I think that's the convention when the wording of the problem is "[White/Black] to mate in x". In either case, yes, that's what I intended. On December 06 2012 05:33 remember87 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The problem is that I can only find solutions for mate in 3. So I guess I have missed something.
1... Qxf3 2. Qd1 Qxh1+ 3. Ng1 Qxg1++
1... Qxf3 2. Ng1 Qf2+ 3. Kd1 Ne3++
All other moves for white is mate in 2 moves for black. Will be looking forward to the answer.
Those are the lines I'd found as well, but then I noticed + Show Spoiler [another move for White] +. That's the most challenging line. I played around with the pieces a little and thought it was probably still mate, but I hadn't nailed it down and it was definitely taking me a lot longer than 4 moves. However, the computer found a clever way to handle it. Yeah, I was about to post that best play for white uses that move, however I only end up with mate in 5 moves. + Show Spoiler +1. ... Qxf3
2. e4 Ne3 threatens mate on c2 and g2
3. Nf2 Nxc2+
4. Kf1 Bh3+
5. Kg1 Qg2++ You're already doing better than I did. I tried + Show Spoiler [2...] +, which starts to get messy. Your move keeps the noose tight and is best. You also found White's only defense. However, on the third move, Black has an improvement.
Doh! That queen looked too tasty with the double mate threat and I overlooked the shift.
+ Show Spoiler +after 3. ... Rf8 white has no answer to
4. ... Qxf2++
Any attempt to defend f2 just falls to continued mate threat on c2 or g2.
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On December 06 2012 04:58 qrs wrote:By the way, I played a game today which led to a pretty little position. Here's the board on the previous move, more or less (reconstructed after the fact): You can treat it as a puzzle, if you like: Black to mate in 4. The full mate is a little tricky, but the first move isn't too hard to spot and leads to a pretty position, as I said. (I didn't actually work out the mate myself; I thought about it for a little and worked out a couple of the lines, but eventually I just tossed it to a computer to confirm there was a forced mate. In the game itself, White resigned after the next move.)
I have:
+ Show Spoiler +
1. ... Qxf3
2. e4 Ne3
3. Nf2 Bg4
4. Nxg4 Ng2++
So many pins!!!
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On December 06 2012 07:29 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 04:58 qrs wrote:By the way, I played a game today which led to a pretty little position. Here's the board on the previous move, more or less (reconstructed after the fact): You can treat it as a puzzle, if you like: Black to mate in 4. The full mate is a little tricky, but the first move isn't too hard to spot and leads to a pretty position, as I said. (I didn't actually work out the mate myself; I thought about it for a little and worked out a couple of the lines, but eventually I just tossed it to a computer to confirm there was a forced mate. In the game itself, White resigned after the next move.) I have: + Show Spoiler +
1. ... Qxf3
2. e4 Ne3
3. Nf2 Bg4
4. Nxg4 Ng2++
So many pins!!!
+ Show Spoiler +4. Nxg4 isn't forced, White can play
4. Qd1 to delay for 2 more moves
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I'd like to withdraw my previous vote of 18. ... d4 I jumped the gun and would like to hear some more discussion from my team
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On December 06 2012 16:11 KarlKaliente wrote:I'd like to withdraw my previous vote of 18. ... d4 I jumped the gun and would like to hear some more discussion from my team
Discussion from your team can be found within the appropriate QuickTopic thread that was PM'ed to you by qrs. And I would not be so quick to dismiss 18...d4...
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On December 07 2012 10:31 Maxyim wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 16:11 KarlKaliente wrote:I'd like to withdraw my previous vote of 18. ... d4 I jumped the gun and would like to hear some more discussion from my team Discussion from your team can be found within the appropriate QuickTopic thread that was PM'ed to you by qrs. And I would not be so quick to dismiss 18...d4...
I'm a novice player following along for fun, and voting with the majority on black to help speed the game along. I hope I'm not giving away too much information, but - d4 was initially suggested so I voted thinking that was the obvious move. Since then many players have suggested alternatives, so I'd hoping to withdraw my initial vote until the experts on my team settle on their decision.
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Two days into the vote, and only three votes cast. This is a turn of events!
Current state of the vote looks like this:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7P1QS.png)
If the vote closed now, 18...d4 would win, as the most recent of the tied moves to hold an outright lead.
As usual, with the weekend coming around, I may not check TL as often as usual, so there may be a delay before I update the OP. In any case, as ever, vote closes at the time listed in the OP, unless a single move garners half of the active voters before that time or unless, when the deadline is reached, a majority of this turn's voters choose to take a 1-day extension.
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I think we might want to use some extra time on this move...
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On December 08 2012 02:06 chesshaha wrote:
I think we might want to use some extra time on this move... I'm assuming that you're only making a comment just now, but FWIW, if you do want to vote for an extension, make sure it's clear that you're voting for it.
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Well, I'm going to vote for an extension of another day then.
But just in case that doesn't go through, I'm also going to vote a move, which I may change if we do vote for more time.
18. ... Qe7
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Actually, I'm going to change my vote now. Still for an extension though.
18. ... d4
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EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0dNY5.png)
