EPTOn May 03 2007 05:34 Tarte wrote:
gotta love bumping whores >.< !
Any news about this guy?
gotta love bumping whores >.< !
Any news about this guy?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=52756
Good performance.
Freedom.WeRRa switches to BW - Page 5
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Red_Dragon
Croatia2862 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=52756 Good performance. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On May 03 2007 05:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I have to admit it seems the WC3 Progame scene is still struggling, seems to be more successful in Europe than Korea. Yeah you don't see NEARLY as much games of War3 as there are Starcraft. Freedom was a good War3 player; I got my style with Night Elf from him and Moon (mostly him) | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
And you guys making fun of these before come on, don't tell me you knew he could make it to msl in two years... He made a lot of work since then and now he is one of mine favorite players  | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On May 03 2007 08:06 Equinox_kr wrote: Yeah you don't see NEARLY as much games of War3 as there are Starcraft. That's only because you've been trained to see it that way. It really has gotten bigger and bigger, and bigger, everywhere except Korea. But most people here would never really know about that because a) this is a StarCraft site, so naturally they're going to focus on SC and have a natural bias against War3, and b) this site has a strong focus on Korea to the point where many people unrealistically idolize the country. Not that there's anything wrong with that. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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hixhix
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
Hes in the military now | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On May 03 2007 12:31 Orlandu wrote: That's only because you've been trained to see it that way. It really has gotten bigger and bigger, and bigger, everywhere except Korea. But most people here would never really know about that because a) this is a StarCraft site, so naturally they're going to focus on SC and have a natural bias against War3, and b) this site has a strong focus on Korea to the point where many people unrealistically idolize the country. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Korea is the gaming mecca of the world tho. I think the easiest way to compare SC to WC3 is to do a rough comparison of total prize money given out to both games in the past year. | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
like... # of sponsored teams, # of major tournaments/year, amount of prize money, amount of money going into teams, amount of salary being paid to players, etc. | ||
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
Rofl, he showed you!  | ||
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drift0ut
United Kingdom691 Posts
On May 03 2007 13:56 thedeadhaji wrote: too many ways to compare, and many will give different results. like... # of sponsored teams, # of major tournaments/year, amount of prize money, amount of money going into teams, amount of salary being paid to players, etc. yeah and on the global scene starcraft wins every one of those just inside korea. Outside korea it's different, war3 is one of the most popular games out there in all those rankings and i'd bet beats starcraft easily in the rest of the world. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
In your eyes (and admittedly in the eyes of many here). That's open to debate, but whether it is or not is really irrelevant for reasons already mentioned. I'd keep an eye on China and certain other parts of the world. They're making progress that not many people here are very aware of. | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On May 03 2007 16:20 ArC_man wrote: The problem with War3 is, it's *too* spread out IMHO. Sure games are played online and there are very many offline tournaments around the year, but that takes a lot away from the potential televised leagues in Korea where the game can potentially fully blossom. This is why I think it can never develop into what Starcraft is in Korea, despite it's global popularity. Fixed. It will almost surely never develop into what StarCraft is. But that's exactly the problem that many people have: they try to compare it to StarCraft and fail to realize that it isn't StarCraft, and that StarCraft isn't necessarily the ideal concept of what a game should be. Although it is very successful and deserving of the respect it gets, I don't think it would be a good thing for gaming if everything were too similar to it. The best of the best are too spread apart and can really only play every once in a while, not on a daily basis. It also contributes to why skill develops so slowly in War3, there are very few "up and comers" in the War3 scene compared to the SC scene (where there seems to be too many). It's kinda like Street Fighter in the US compared to Street Fighter in Japan. The Japanese have a concentrated scene skill-wise, where the best players are able to play against each other (or at least the best in the area) frequently. In the US, it's very hard and not cost-effective for someone like Justin Wong to travel to the west coast to practice with Pyrolee, for example. Actually, it seems as if you're unaware just how often the top players really play eachother. Not even counting practice games, these guys literally encounter eachother all the time through various events such as WC3L, InCup, NGL, or Ladder (which is worthwhile at times), and those are just the regular events that occur once a week each (except for ladder). There are lots of other tournaments out there that literally pop up all the time. It's not the same as playing in a televised league once a week, but it's certainly a respectable amount of time to play against worthy opponents. However, as far as up and coming players go, you really have to be in touch with the scene (much like you need to be with StarCraft) to truly understand who is up and coming and who has potential. There are quite a few developing players out there who are getting stronger and stronger every day. Take Kaki for instance. A little over a year ago, I was in the same team as this guy and LongWalk, and although they were good players, they really weren't anything too special at the time. Just this past week, he won InCup in a very impressive fashion (most notably the dismantling of Satiini in the finals). He's improved enormously over the past year, and even more so in the past few months. Although he isn't at the level of Grubby or ToD or Sky, he is developing, as are many others. It's really all about time. StarCraft may have a greater pool of up and coming players, but it has a bigger headstart and a much more concentrated professional scene. Everything has to be dealt with within it's own context. | ||
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statix
United States1760 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On May 04 2007 02:08 statix wrote: this should be moved to bw now huh? no if anything it should be closed. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9377 Posts
A final of StarCraft is.... ? Anyone ^^;' | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On May 04 2007 02:58 funKie wrote: I once saw a vod of a FINAL, and it was being hosted in this little small studio, with no more than 30 people watching -_-; A final of StarCraft is.... ? Anyone ^^;'I could say the exact same about StarCraft. And to be honest with you I could truthfully mean it when I say it too. But we would be pretty ignorant to base a large part of our opinions around that. No ones questioning the overwhelming popularity of StarCraft in Korea, but you really have to be careful with what you see and what you interpret. There are a lot of circumstances you have to consider. As far as FreeDoM goes, again it's really great to see him doing this well. I'm not as in touch with the overall skill of SC pro-gamers like I once was though, so I'm not really sure how "good" he actually is. What do you guys think about him? Does he look like he's the real deal, or do you think he might not go too much further? | ||
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