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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
November 13 2012 04:49 GMT
#941
When F1 was alive the #1 would lap the #3. Who's a four time world champion. With a worse car.

Sorry for the nostalgia.
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
November 14 2012 13:37 GMT
#942
The standards and professionalism of the drivers is much higher now, the cars are much easier to drive. The wild V12's with a normal gearstick, misfiring regularly made it much more variable. That is why driver performance was more important, however in the rain when things get difficult you still see big gaps. Hamilton lapped up to the podium in Silverstone 08 for example.
As for Vettel and what he achieved. Look closer, he was up to 12th just from people retiring or having issues and the back three teams. Take away Ricciardo, Jev and Webber (because they all let him through). So to get 4th he passed two Williams, a Ferrari, a Sauber, a Force India and a Mercedes and most of those guys had incidents. The last SC just gave him fresh tyres which maybe he could have achieved more with. He did well (after his mistakes before and during the first SC) but it was not brilliant like Kimi and Alonso at Suzuka 05.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-14 14:15:08
November 14 2012 14:13 GMT
#943
I would not say they are easier to drive, this season for one and maybe last season too, the cars are now more alive. They are not glued to the road like they were in the early 00s when Schumacher used to chill and drive himself round the track for an easy victory, they kick out. Tyres wear quicker, make the car less glued to the track and require a better driver to know the limits of how far you can push it round x corner doing z speed.

Look at Masa prime example. Was getting on the podeiums and being in contention in most races before the tyre issue and downforce rule, when the car was glued to the road. It took him about 3/4 of a season to get used to the back end kicking out on corners if your tyres are on their limit of needing change. The likes of Hamilton and Alonso (and maybe Vettel) are clear world class drivers, phenomonal imo. You can take numerous grand prix's they are involved with and point out world class driving from overtaking to being in the right place at the right time. They adapted to that within a race or two, not after 3/4 of a season. The cars are much more lively than they have been for years, and i will admit i have only been watching every race since 2005ish onwards, so i can't comment that far back on certain issues. But what i can say is, over the last 5 or so years, there has been a clear rise in the skill cap of the drivers.
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
November 14 2012 16:02 GMT
#944
That was because of TC (because of silly FIA)
☺
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
November 14 2012 16:19 GMT
#945
I was talking more about the late 80's and early 90's as Soap was speaking about Senna. It was much tougher to be fast and consistent back then. Physically it is more demanding now. The cars are so good though that true talent shines bright only in technical slow corners, the kind of which Webber complains about. Long high speed stuff such as turn 8 in Turkey have virtually no scope to make up time. The FIA constantly try to slow down the teams but they progress faster than regulations slow them. This year is perhaps different due to the diffuser laws being successful but they will be faster than 2011 spec very soon.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
kierpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States757 Posts
November 14 2012 17:40 GMT
#946
I'm flying out tomorrow to Austin, wheeee. Curious to see who will take WDC this year, though honestly, I'm not really an Alonso or a Vettel fan. :\ Still respect their driving through -- it's pretty incredible to watch Alonso in the rain.
I cook things! :3 | Twitter: @kierpanda | www.eatgamelive.com
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
November 14 2012 20:06 GMT
#947
On November 15 2012 01:19 Aristodemus wrote:
I was talking more about the late 80's and early 90's as Soap was speaking about Senna. It was much tougher to be fast and consistent back then. Physically it is more demanding now. The cars are so good though that true talent shines bright only in technical slow corners, the kind of which Webber complains about. Long high speed stuff such as turn 8 in Turkey have virtually no scope to make up time. The FIA constantly try to slow down the teams but they progress faster than regulations slow them. This year is perhaps different due to the diffuser laws being successful but they will be faster than 2011 spec very soon.


Relevant:


Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 14 2012 21:56 GMT
#948
On November 15 2012 02:40 kierpanda wrote:
I'm flying out tomorrow to Austin, wheeee. Curious to see who will take WDC this year, though honestly, I'm not really an Alonso or a Vettel fan. :\ Still respect their driving through -- it's pretty incredible to watch Alonso in the rain.


Zomg its the cooking lady in F1 thread xD

Who are you a fan off might i ask?

I think Hamilton will be on pole this weekend, other than that, i have NO IDEA how the race is going to pan out. Will be an amazing race though
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
November 14 2012 23:43 GMT
#949
On November 15 2012 02:40 kierpanda wrote:
I'm flying out tomorrow to Austin, wheeee. Curious to see who will take WDC this year, though honestly, I'm not really an Alonso or a Vettel fan. :\ Still respect their driving through -- it's pretty incredible to watch Alonso in the rain.


Take ear plugs!
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GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
November 15 2012 04:04 GMT
#950
gogo raikkonen 3x wins in a row!:D
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zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
November 15 2012 16:09 GMT
#951

Next event:

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2012 Formula 1 United States Grand Prix (Austin, November 16th-18th)

Practice 1: Friday, Nov 16 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Practice 2: Friday, Nov 16 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Practice 3: Saturday, Nov 17 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Qualifying: Saturday, Nov 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Race: Sunday, Nov 18 7:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

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New track here we gooooo!
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 15 2012 18:01 GMT
#952
Looks like an awesome track, should be great race. Nice amount of straights for overtaking too as well as some big corners.
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lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
November 15 2012 18:37 GMT
#953
On November 16 2012 03:01 Pandemona wrote:
Looks like an awesome track, should be great race. Nice amount of straights for overtaking too as well as some big corners.


Agreed. There seems to be a nice balance of raw speed sections and technical sections. I think driver/crew ability will play a better factor than car ability in this race due to the track supporting both raw speed and technical.
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-15 22:07:24
November 15 2012 22:05 GMT
#954
I wonder what the first corner will bring on race day!




Orrr video game experience... XD

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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
November 16 2012 15:08 GMT
#955
That fucking pit-lane siren....... whyyyy
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
shiroiusagi
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
SoCal, USA3955 Posts
November 16 2012 15:39 GMT
#956
On November 17 2012 00:08 Aristodemus wrote:
That fucking pit-lane siren....... whyyyy



Is it that annoying sound I keep on hearing? o_o
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
November 16 2012 15:54 GMT
#957
On November 17 2012 00:39 shiroiusagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2012 00:08 Aristodemus wrote:
That fucking pit-lane siren....... whyyyy



Is it that annoying sound I keep on hearing? o_o

Yeah, what a joke.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
November 16 2012 16:07 GMT
#958
https://twitter.com/COTAsiren
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
November 16 2012 16:26 GMT
#959
Haha nice one Zere. It seems Bernie has got on the phone to someone though It is now off.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
November 17 2012 19:06 GMT
#960
Every Saturday Lewis impresses me
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
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