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Earll
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 20:31:00
November 11 2013 20:30 GMT
#11401
Does anyone have any idea what this might be worth? have like no idea how to price decent items

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/602401
Wat
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 11 2013 20:56 GMT
#11402
Jjust compare with other shops. For that you can use a site like poexplorer.com

Looking at your weapon, it has 343.5 dps without quality. With quality idk exactly, but i'd assume like 360-380. Pure physical is very nice too, and crit is good as well since staffs are best 2h for crit.

But after checking shops myself I realized that Nemesis shops rarely ever have prices for the stuff in it.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 11 2013 21:16 GMT
#11403
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
November 11 2013 21:18 GMT
#11404
On November 12 2013 06:16 Nocticate wrote:
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.

There is a lot of work to be done on the wiki still... Have you considered contributing to it?
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 11 2013 21:29 GMT
#11405
On November 12 2013 06:18 Tennet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 06:16 Nocticate wrote:
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.

There is a lot of work to be done on the wiki still... Have you considered contributing to it?

Yeah, I figure that's probably the best option. I'll at least try to focus my energies more on the bestiary and related issues first.
Trying to figure out how to determine either armor/resists or health without knowing the other. It's hard.
Maybe stun duration? That'd be hard to time though.
GGG have done a good job at making their game hard to crack. I wonder if I could just extract game files? I know a guy who used to do that extensively for Maplestory, I'll give him a shout.
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eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
November 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#11406
Any ideas what low level (2s) searing touches should go for on nemesis? None of the shops have a price listed.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 22:53:45
November 11 2013 22:15 GMT
#11407
nevermind i changed my mind anyways lol
Tennet
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1458 Posts
November 11 2013 22:20 GMT
#11408
On November 12 2013 06:29 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 06:18 Tennet wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:16 Nocticate wrote:
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.

There is a lot of work to be done on the wiki still... Have you considered contributing to it?

Yeah, I figure that's probably the best option. I'll at least try to focus my energies more on the bestiary and related issues first.
Trying to figure out how to determine either armor/resists or health without knowing the other. It's hard.
Maybe stun duration? That'd be hard to time though.
GGG have done a good job at making their game hard to crack. I wonder if I could just extract game files? I know a guy who used to do that extensively for Maplestory, I'll give him a shout.

I'm not sure what you can get out of game files. I know my friend extracted all the item images that you see on the wiki. I've been meaning to find some area to contribute to myself.
"The harder it gets, the more you need to focus on the basics." - Seo Gyung Jong
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 23:12:31
November 11 2013 22:54 GMT
#11409
On November 12 2013 07:20 Tennet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 06:29 Nocticate wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:18 Tennet wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:16 Nocticate wrote:
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.

There is a lot of work to be done on the wiki still... Have you considered contributing to it?

Yeah, I figure that's probably the best option. I'll at least try to focus my energies more on the bestiary and related issues first.
Trying to figure out how to determine either armor/resists or health without knowing the other. It's hard.
Maybe stun duration? That'd be hard to time though.
GGG have done a good job at making their game hard to crack. I wonder if I could just extract game files? I know a guy who used to do that extensively for Maplestory, I'll give him a shout.

I'm not sure what you can get out of game files. I know my friend extracted all the item images that you see on the wiki. I've been meaning to find some area to contribute to myself.


Unfortunately a fair bit of the information out there is on some rather shady sites. Sadly, innocent data mining seems to always be tinged with the stain of hackers and exploiters.

I'll update this with more info in a bit as I find more out.

Hahaha, some funny strings I found I found in the buff definition metadata:

10470 CarlsTestCheat
10502 You are testing the game with raw stats and blanket mods. You should never see this outside of Grinding Gear Games.


Apparently there are plans for something called an Item Skin. It's a microtransaction option that allows you to destroy an item to give its visuals to another item. You can later reclaim the former item (although that does undo the effect, I believe).

There's something weird for a discipline microtransaction... since that doesn't yet exist officially, maybe it's something they put strings in for but isn't complete?
There are also strings for Wrath, Hatred, and Anger alternate effects:
+ Show Spoiler +

30244 Right click this item then left click a Wrath Skill Gem to apply it. True
30384 Your Wrath effect becomes a circling, sparking skull. True
30494 Wrath Skin True
30518 apply_cosmetic False
30550 Right click this item then left click a Anger Skill Gem to apply it. True
30690 Your Anger effect becomes a circling, burning skull. True
30798 Anger Skin True
30822 apply_cosmetic False
30854 Right click this item then left click a Hatred Skill Gem to apply it. True
30996 Your Hatred becomes a circling, freezing skull. True
31094 Hatred Skin True


In fact, there are a whole bunch of unreleased microtransaction effects.
+ Show Spoiler +

22420 apply_cosmetic False
22452 Right click this item then left click a head slot item to apply it. True
22590 Removes your headdress, leaving only a bloody stump. True
22698 Helmet Skin True
22724 apply_cosmetic False
22756 Right click this item then left click a body armour slot item to apply it. True
22908 Adds the appearance of hulking platemail to your body armour True
23032 Body Armour Skin True



None of this is what I came here to do, but it's interesting.



Okay. I think I found something interesting.
Does the name DefaultMonsterStats.dat seem like a good hint? I think it does.
The only problem is that, well, it looks like this:
[image loading]
Those unknowns do not make me happy.
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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 23:13:21
November 11 2013 23:12 GMT
#11410
On November 12 2013 07:54 Nocticate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 07:20 Tennet wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:29 Nocticate wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:18 Tennet wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:16 Nocticate wrote:
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.

There is a lot of work to be done on the wiki still... Have you considered contributing to it?

Yeah, I figure that's probably the best option. I'll at least try to focus my energies more on the bestiary and related issues first.
Trying to figure out how to determine either armor/resists or health without knowing the other. It's hard.
Maybe stun duration? That'd be hard to time though.
GGG have done a good job at making their game hard to crack. I wonder if I could just extract game files? I know a guy who used to do that extensively for Maplestory, I'll give him a shout.

I'm not sure what you can get out of game files. I know my friend extracted all the item images that you see on the wiki. I've been meaning to find some area to contribute to myself.


Unfortunately a fair bit of the information out there is on some rather shady sites. Sadly, innocent data mining seems to always be tinged with the stain of hackers and exploiters.

I'll update this with more info in a bit as I find more out.

Hahaha, some funny strings I found I found in the buff definition metadata:

10470 CarlsTestCheat
10502 You are testing the game with raw stats and blanket mods. You should never see this outside of Grinding Gear Games.


Apparently there are plans for something called an Item Skin. It's a microtransaction option that allows you to destroy an item to give its visuals to another item. You can later reclaim the former item (although that does undo the effect, I believe).

There's something weird for a discipline microtransaction... since that doesn't yet exist officially, maybe it's something they put strings in for but isn't complete?
There are also strings for Wrath, Hatred, and Anger alternate effects:
+ Show Spoiler +

30244 Right click this item then left click a Wrath Skill Gem to apply it. True
30384 Your Wrath effect becomes a circling, sparking skull. True
30494 Wrath Skin True
30518 apply_cosmetic False
30550 Right click this item then left click a Anger Skill Gem to apply it. True
30690 Your Anger effect becomes a circling, burning skull. True
30798 Anger Skin True
30822 apply_cosmetic False
30854 Right click this item then left click a Hatred Skill Gem to apply it. True
30996 Your Hatred becomes a circling, freezing skull. True
31094 Hatred Skin True


In fact, there are a whole bunch of unreleased microtransaction effects.
+ Show Spoiler +

22420 apply_cosmetic False
22452 Right click this item then left click a head slot item to apply it. True
22590 Removes your headdress, leaving only a bloody stump. True
22698 Helmet Skin True
22724 apply_cosmetic False
22756 Right click this item then left click a body armour slot item to apply it. True
22908 Adds the appearance of hulking platemail to your body armour True
23032 Body Armour Skin True



None of this is what I came here to do, but it's interesting.


Most of those were in the patch preview I think (discipline effect, item skin swap).
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-11 23:36:57
November 11 2013 23:35 GMT
#11411
On November 12 2013 05:30 Earll wrote:
Does anyone have any idea what this might be worth? have like no idea how to price decent items

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/602401


It will sell a lot faster if you set a buyout. Just make it very overpriced like five exalts and then drop it every few days until someone buys it.

On November 12 2013 06:30 eluv wrote:
Any ideas what low level (2s) searing touches should go for on nemesis? None of the shops have a price listed.


Probably in the some alterations range. Very low ilvl searing touches really aren't worth buying.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
November 12 2013 00:10 GMT
#11412
@Nocticate: Everything you're talking about is already in the game and/or announced.

Skin transfers / alternate effects for auras / the head "skin" that only leaves a stump. All already in the game. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 01:02:49
November 12 2013 00:33 GMT
#11413
On November 12 2013 08:12 RuskiPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2013 07:54 Nocticate wrote:
On November 12 2013 07:20 Tennet wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:29 Nocticate wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:18 Tennet wrote:
On November 12 2013 06:16 Nocticate wrote:
Man, a lot of info on the wiki is kinda piss-poor in terms of detail.
Hell, most of the entries for monsters are tiny, if they exist at all.

There is a lot of work to be done on the wiki still... Have you considered contributing to it?

Yeah, I figure that's probably the best option. I'll at least try to focus my energies more on the bestiary and related issues first.
Trying to figure out how to determine either armor/resists or health without knowing the other. It's hard.
Maybe stun duration? That'd be hard to time though.
GGG have done a good job at making their game hard to crack. I wonder if I could just extract game files? I know a guy who used to do that extensively for Maplestory, I'll give him a shout.

I'm not sure what you can get out of game files. I know my friend extracted all the item images that you see on the wiki. I've been meaning to find some area to contribute to myself.


Unfortunately a fair bit of the information out there is on some rather shady sites. Sadly, innocent data mining seems to always be tinged with the stain of hackers and exploiters.

I'll update this with more info in a bit as I find more out.

Hahaha, some funny strings I found I found in the buff definition metadata:

10470 CarlsTestCheat
10502 You are testing the game with raw stats and blanket mods. You should never see this outside of Grinding Gear Games.


Apparently there are plans for something called an Item Skin. It's a microtransaction option that allows you to destroy an item to give its visuals to another item. You can later reclaim the former item (although that does undo the effect, I believe).

There's something weird for a discipline microtransaction... since that doesn't yet exist officially, maybe it's something they put strings in for but isn't complete?
There are also strings for Wrath, Hatred, and Anger alternate effects:
+ Show Spoiler +

30244 Right click this item then left click a Wrath Skill Gem to apply it. True
30384 Your Wrath effect becomes a circling, sparking skull. True
30494 Wrath Skin True
30518 apply_cosmetic False
30550 Right click this item then left click a Anger Skill Gem to apply it. True
30690 Your Anger effect becomes a circling, burning skull. True
30798 Anger Skin True
30822 apply_cosmetic False
30854 Right click this item then left click a Hatred Skill Gem to apply it. True
30996 Your Hatred becomes a circling, freezing skull. True
31094 Hatred Skin True


In fact, there are a whole bunch of unreleased microtransaction effects.
+ Show Spoiler +

22420 apply_cosmetic False
22452 Right click this item then left click a head slot item to apply it. True
22590 Removes your headdress, leaving only a bloody stump. True
22698 Helmet Skin True
22724 apply_cosmetic False
22756 Right click this item then left click a body armour slot item to apply it. True
22908 Adds the appearance of hulking platemail to your body armour True
23032 Body Armour Skin True



None of this is what I came here to do, but it's interesting.


Most of those were in the patch preview I think (discipline effect, item skin swap).


Huh. Gonna have to try harder then.

Okay, it's actually quite astonishing how much effort they put in to making Sarn look right. Holy shit.
Also there's a bunch of map stuff that mention a Mountain Aqueduct that looks really really nice. It has a town and everything.
I guess this question goes out to the beta players: was this sort of area ever in the game and just removed? Or is it a harbinger of things to come? Might be reused later even if it was already used but it being unused and mysteriously present makes me kinda excited.
Actually, there's a RuinedTempleForest section as well, which I don't recognize.


Bahahahaha, I think GGG might be trolling with this bit.
In the textures, there's totally an Act4 subfolder.

Also it's super interesting to learn what GGG initially named certain units and to look at the textures of unreleased units and wonder "what the hell were they thinking"?
For instance, the miscreations used to be called Demons. Lady Dialla used to be Ghoul Queen. The Blackguard soldiers used to be Axis soldiers.
There's also a unused pair of reptiles: frog and iguana. The frog is partly under Frog and partly under GemMonster, the iguana is entirely under GemMonster.
I also suspect that the entire Vaal system used to be known as IncaPyramid, as I don't see those and I also have the entities IncaShadowMonster, inca minion, and inca monster_poison.

Anyhow I've gotten completely distracted and won't get a damn bit of work done on what I intended to do (at least not tonight) but I'm gonna try and get the .smd files to work for me and give me the complete models.

On November 12 2013 09:10 r.Evo wrote:
@Nocticate: Everything you're talking about is already in the game and/or announced.

Skin transfers / alternate effects for auras / the head "skin" that only leaves a stump. All already in the game. =P

you're shitting me.
Wow, the wiki really is out of date then.

at least I found some stuff now that isn't released, hah.

Oh, and I found the real name for the birdmen. They're Kiweth.
Well, rather, Kiweth is the name that the artist gave to the entity. It was proper name, not a species name but it's as close as we'll get.
The artist was Max Schulz, who created it for Dominance War V back in 2011, in the GameArtisan chapter.
He did some work for GGG in 2012 and I guess his Kiweth design got into the game somehow.
His work that I can find for GGG was concept art for the Sarn encampment, Sarn as a whole, concept art for Lunaris 3, Wraeclast as a whole, the entire UI, a lot of the Keystone icons, and a lot of (yet unused) item icons, plus a fair bit more.


Alright, I think this is the biggest question:
Why the hell is GGG using a file type for their models that is basically only used for Half-Life?
Really pisses me off.
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Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5224 Posts
November 12 2013 01:01 GMT
#11414
So I'm fairly new to the guild aspect of these types of games (generally just played D2/D3 with friends and never got into a guild). The gems in the guild stash, is it fine to switch gems in and out? I'd rather ask first then do something brash.
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
November 12 2013 01:31 GMT
#11415
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/339977/page/1

map resource page as mentioned

Dknight, everything in stash is welcome for taking. anything put in there people put in as donation

Just don't clean everything out, that would be fucked up :p
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
November 12 2013 02:36 GMT
#11416
if anyone wants to see me run Cyclone in Nemesis, running docks right now lvl 28 rofl, its good TV, i could die at any moment lol. http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg Also got my main to lvl 79, still going! but needed a little break, so trying the suicidal build rofl.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 12 2013 02:46 GMT
#11417
Oh my god.
FishingRods is a drop pool category.
Unfortunately it's currently set to not drop from anything.


Alright, I'm back to doing what I meant to do.
I think I've figured out what the first several columns of the MonsterTypes.dat mean. Index0 corresponds to the offset value of the monster's ID. Unknown0, Unknown1, Unknown2, and Unknown3 correspond to Fire, Cold, Lightning, and Chaos resistances, respectively. Unknown4 is baffling to me but is only anything besides 100 in two cases: 120 for the Dexintbanditboss who is Kraityn and 500 for TestSpawn. I'll ignore it since I have no idea what it is.

Side note, has anyone seen anything in game (or otherwise) about any monsters named:
Fetid Maw
Plumed Chimeral
Paradisae Venenum
Sallazzang
Croaking Chimeral
Cursed Spawn
Fathom Screamer
Flesh Eater
Pope
Chosen of God

Alright, back to working.

There's a file called MonsterScalingByLevel.dat which at least partially confirms my theory about the nature of monsters, even though I can't access anything inside of it.
Flag0 signifies whether it's friendly or not.

That's pretty much all I've got worked out yet. It's a start, though. With some time and effort I can potentially figure out some health values. It'll take a long long time though.
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Shinbi
Profile Joined December 2009
338 Posts
November 12 2013 02:55 GMT
#11418
Basically all of those are in the game already, either as normal enemies, unique enemies, or map bosses.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
November 12 2013 02:59 GMT
#11419
On November 12 2013 11:55 Shinbi wrote:
Basically all of those are in the game already, either as normal enemies, unique enemies, or map bosses.

You mind telling me where? Because I've never seen them, they aren't on the wiki, and I'd really like a confirmation.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
November 12 2013 04:07 GMT
#11420
Most of them are the new mobs added when 1.0.0 went live and I'll guess Chosen of God is the Dominus map boss.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
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