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last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
October 13 2011 17:49 GMT
#1641
Anyone streaming Innistrad sealed right now?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 13 2011 18:52 GMT
#1642
On October 14 2011 02:49 last.resistance wrote:
Anyone streaming Innistrad sealed right now?


http://www.twitch.tv/celeritygaming
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 13 2011 18:56 GMT
#1643
On October 14 2011 02:46 Orpheos wrote:
lol why are people trying to tell me why my deck is good when i said i think the deck is good.

wanted some sideboard advice >_< any cards im missing that help out in the mirror and against control?


It's not us agreeing with you and ignoring giving you advice. You brought up the deck that Brian Sondag ran, and we were discussing it and how it affects the meta.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 19:17:10
October 13 2011 19:08 GMT
#1644
so I want to get back into mtg/mtgo...although before I wasn't too good at making decks because I don't get mtgo's way of shuffling... err... what's the ratio of land to other cards in drafting and constructed?

Also... what else should I know about the game (given my last cards are from like .... 2009 or something? I dont remember, and I did buy some SOM/etc cards on mtgo but didn't actually play.......)

t.~

EDIT: also like buying/selling/whatever on mtgo? what ~_~

... also what are the general price to play (maybe like 1-2 times per week mtgo drafting and other than that casual) mtgo? || how long does an online mtgo draft take?

EDIT2: and what's the current standard decks that people are using/types of decks ... etc

T_T sorry so many questions
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 13 2011 19:28 GMT
#1645
On October 14 2011 04:08 zhurai wrote:
so I want to get back into mtg/mtgo...although before I wasn't too good at making decks because I don't get mtgo's way of shuffling... err... what's the ratio of land to other cards in drafting and constructed?

Also... what else should I know about the game (given my last cards are from like .... 2009 or something? I dont remember, and I did buy some SOM/etc cards on mtgo but didn't actually play.......)

t.~

EDIT: also like buying/selling/whatever on mtgo? what ~_~

... also what are the general price to play (maybe like 1-2 times per week mtgo drafting and other than that casual) mtgo? || how long does an online mtgo draft take?

EDIT2: and what's the current standard decks that people are using/types of decks ... etc

T_T sorry so many questions


starcitygames.com > decklists

Has anyone considered putting a sun titan in the side for WRG against heavy removal? Would bring your inkmoths back. Would be a dead card in hand, though, So maybe 2 of in the side. Not sure it's worth it to draw a dead card.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 22:28:07
October 13 2011 21:39 GMT
#1646
Pay 30 tickets, open Liliana. Hooray for luck.

Also got a Ranger and Wolf Run.

First round: both games I get out Liliana, he has Brimstone Volley. I still win both games. Third game had me cast Geistflame at 1 life for the win.
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 00:25:39
October 14 2011 00:23 GMT
#1647
4-0(8-0) in my first prerelease sealed online. First time playing with innistrad and was really fun.
DECK:
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[image loading]

Had lots of removal. Essence was really strong obviously but travel preparations was much better than expected. Also opened a grimgrin but had no blue and black wasn't very strong.
last.resistance
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada543 Posts
October 14 2011 00:57 GMT
#1648
So I ended up 3-1, going 2-1, 0-2, 2-0, 2-0.

Here is my pool:
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White
1x Avacynian Priest
1x Chapel Geist
1x Elder Cathar
1x Ghostly Posession
1x Fiend Hunter
1x Mausoleum Guard
1x Thraben Purebloods
1x Rally the Peasents
1x Rebuke
1x Spare from Evil

Blue
2x Civilized Scholar
1x Delver of Secrets
1x Lantern Spirit
1x Dream Twist
1x Frightful Delusion
1x Hysterical Blindness
1x Moon Heron
1x Selhoff Occultist
1x Grasp of Phantasms
1x Lost in the Mist
1x Curiosity
2x Curse of the Bloody Tome
1x Runic Repetition
1x Silent Departure
1x Cackling Counterpart
1x Sensory Deprivation

Black
1x Abattoir Ghoul
2x Falkenrath Noble
1x Ghoulraiser
2x Night Terrors
1x Altar's Reap
1x Corpse Lunge
1x Markov Patrician
1x Morkrut Banshee
1x Tribute to Hunger
1x Victim of Night
2x Curse of Oblivion
1x Typhoid Rats
1x Vampire Interloper
1x Village Cannibals
1x Gruesome Deformity
1x Liliana of the Veil

Red
1x Bloodcrazed Neonate
1x Crossways Vampire
1x Feral Ridgewolf
1x Pitchburn Devils
1x Infernal Plunge
2x Traitorous Blood
1x Ancient Grudge
1x Geistflame
1x Burning Vengeance

Green
1x Ambush Viper
1x Avacynian Priest
1x Darkthicket Wolf
1x Daybreak Ranger
2x Gatstaf Shepherd
1x Grave Bramble
1x Kindercatch
1x Somberweald Spider
1x Woodland Sleuth
1x Travel Preparations
1x Gnaw to the Bone
1x Moonmist
1x Full Moon's Rise

Artifacts
1x Blazing Torch
1x Cobbled Wings
1x Inquisitors Flail
1x One Eyed Scarecrow
1x Sharpened Pitchfork
1x Silver Inlaid Dagger
1x Traveler's Amulet
1x Witchbane Orb

Land
1x Woodland Cemetary
1x Kessig Wolf Run
6x Basic Lands


This is what I ended up running:
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Black
1x Abattoir Ghoul
2x Falkenrath Noble
1x Altar's Reap
1x Corpse Lunge
1x Markov Patrician
1x Morkrut Banshee
1x Tribute to Hunger
1x Victim of Night
1x Typhoid Rats
1x Vampire Interloper
1x Village Cannibals
1x Liliana of the Veil

Red
1x Geistflame

Green
1x Ambush Viper
1x Avacynian Priest
1x Darkthicket Wolf
1x Daybreak Ranger
2x Gatstaf Shepherd
1x Somberweald Spider
1x Woodland Sleuth

Artifacts
1x Blazing Torch
1x Traveler's Amulet

Land
1x Woodland Cemetary
1x Kessig Wolf Run


Some quick thoughts:
Kessig Wolf Run is awesome. Kessig Wolf Run plus a first striker is unfair. I took down a 6/9 Skaab Goliath and a 3/8 Fortress Crab on consecutive turns with my Abattoir Ghoul.
My deck had no way to take advantage of Liliana's +1 ability. The only time she really got going, my opponent played a Witchbane Orb.
I almost submitted a deck that didn't have any mountains before I talked myself into splashing Geistflame. It was only afterwards that I realized that Kessig had red in the activation.
Green has some decent removal. Ambush Viper and Nightfall Predator are instant speed, and Prey Upon is sorcery speed. You need a bigger creature for Prey Upon, but you're in green so you should have big creatures.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 14 2011 03:17 GMT
#1649
I did not notice Prey Upon was a sorcery until after I tried to play it in a draft and blew myself out when my opponent actually read the card back to me.

Ahh well, once I get this goddamn exam out of the way I'll be able to start playing again...
Flaunt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
New Zealand784 Posts
October 14 2011 03:46 GMT
#1650
this is slightly off topic but does anyone know where I can buy mtg for really cheap and allow overseas shipping? I'm wanting to get a few thousand cards so that me and a few mates can make decks and get the nostalgia xD. i'm not rly interested in getting the pro cards, just commons and uncommons will do! thank you <3
What? You seek something? You wish to multiply yourself tenfold, a hundredfold? You seek followers? Seek zeros!
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 14 2011 04:27 GMT
#1651
I remember 3rd coast shipping to china and such, so I'm sure they would have no problem shipping down under.

3rdcoastcards.com

Email him to be sure, but I think he has no issue.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 14 2011 05:50 GMT
#1652
On October 14 2011 12:46 Flaunt wrote:
this is slightly off topic but does anyone know where I can buy mtg for really cheap and allow overseas shipping? I'm wanting to get a few thousand cards so that me and a few mates can make decks and get the nostalgia xD. i'm not rly interested in getting the pro cards, just commons and uncommons will do! thank you <3

http://tcgplayer.com/ has aggregates of a bunch of different shops (including 3rd Coast) with price sorting.

If you just want commons/uncommons, though, buying singles is much more expensive than just buying boosters for draft, or even the entire set, for instance, this ebay listing is $35 (plus shipping) for 4 (a full playset) of every single common and uncommon in Innistrad, where buying them separately, you'd be paying closer to $70.

They also ship overseas as well.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
October 14 2011 06:40 GMT
#1653
I did two live drafts this week and I can not seem to pull myself away from R/B archetypes. Just tonight, I opened a Devil's Play and was passed a Burning Vengeance. Decklist:

+ Show Spoiler +

2 Geistflame
1 Devil's Play
1 Silent Departure
1 Harvest Pyre
1 Desperate Ravings
1 Think Twice
1 Nightbird's Clutches
1 Stitcher's Apprentice
2 Forbidden Alchemies
2 Riot Devils
2 Armored Skaabs
1 Claustrophobia
1 Burning Vengance
1 Hanweir Watchkeep
1 Rolling Tremblor
1 Constructed-Playable Lantern Spirit
2 Murder of Crows(!)
1 Heretic's Punishment


I was probably a little greedy, trying to draft an archetype based on just one Burning Vengeance, but it's just too awesome. It's the best when your opponent forgets about a Devil's Play you played 9 turns ago and you dome them for 6+2 from Vengeance. Still, if you don't have either Vengeance or Heretic's Punishment out, the deck loses like..25% of its efficacy.

I need to start drafting werewolves or some W/G Human archetype. Cards never come though =(
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
October 14 2011 13:02 GMT
#1654
On October 14 2011 15:40 slyboogie wrote:
I did two live drafts this week and I can not seem to pull myself away from R/B archetypes. Just tonight, I opened a Devil's Play and was passed a Burning Vengeance. Decklist:

+ Show Spoiler +

2 Geistflame
1 Devil's Play
1 Silent Departure
1 Harvest Pyre
1 Desperate Ravings
1 Think Twice
1 Nightbird's Clutches
1 Stitcher's Apprentice
2 Forbidden Alchemies
2 Riot Devils
2 Armored Skaabs
1 Claustrophobia
1 Burning Vengance
1 Hanweir Watchkeep
1 Rolling Tremblor
1 Constructed-Playable Lantern Spirit
2 Murder of Crows(!)
1 Heretic's Punishment


I was probably a little greedy, trying to draft an archetype based on just one Burning Vengeance, but it's just too awesome. It's the best when your opponent forgets about a Devil's Play you played 9 turns ago and you dome them for 6+2 from Vengeance. Still, if you don't have either Vengeance or Heretic's Punishment out, the deck loses like..25% of its efficacy.

I need to start drafting werewolves or some W/G Human archetype. Cards never come though =(


im pretty sure you just won because devils play is one of the best cards they have printed for limited like ever.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
October 14 2011 13:20 GMT
#1655
On October 14 2011 22:02 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 15:40 slyboogie wrote:
I did two live drafts this week and I can not seem to pull myself away from R/B archetypes. Just tonight, I opened a Devil's Play and was passed a Burning Vengeance. Decklist:

+ Show Spoiler +

2 Geistflame
1 Devil's Play
1 Silent Departure
1 Harvest Pyre
1 Desperate Ravings
1 Think Twice
1 Nightbird's Clutches
1 Stitcher's Apprentice
2 Forbidden Alchemies
2 Riot Devils
2 Armored Skaabs
1 Claustrophobia
1 Burning Vengance
1 Hanweir Watchkeep
1 Rolling Tremblor
1 Constructed-Playable Lantern Spirit
2 Murder of Crows(!)
1 Heretic's Punishment


I was probably a little greedy, trying to draft an archetype based on just one Burning Vengeance, but it's just too awesome. It's the best when your opponent forgets about a Devil's Play you played 9 turns ago and you dome them for 6+2 from Vengeance. Still, if you don't have either Vengeance or Heretic's Punishment out, the deck loses like..25% of its efficacy.

I need to start drafting werewolves or some W/G Human archetype. Cards never come though =(


im pretty sure you just won because devils play is one of the best cards they have printed for limited like ever.


And Olivia Voldaren is not far behind. Seriously, the only time I've ever won against it, I had a Slayer of the Wicked the turn after, so I was just as lucky.
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
October 14 2011 15:03 GMT
#1656
On October 14 2011 02:46 Orpheos wrote:
lol why are people trying to tell me why my deck is good when i said i think the deck is good.


lololol as if you had any part in its creation, netdecking buddy
too easy
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:34:09
October 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#1657
On October 15 2011 00:03 exalted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 02:46 Orpheos wrote:
lol why are people trying to tell me why my deck is good when i said i think the deck is good.


lololol as if you had any part in its creation, netdecking buddy

wow really? how immature can you be? not only was i not looking for any praise on the deck, i was actively seeking help for it.
please keep this kind of asinine bullshit to yourself
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:49:39
October 14 2011 16:44 GMT
#1658
Still not your deck. I am also pretty sure you don't have a clue on how it runs since you're asking for sideboard advice and then wondering why nobody gave it to you.

If you want to take what I just wrote harshly then fine, but exalted isn't too far off the mark, you're just netdecking.

Play the deck, incorporate your meta and go from there. Sondag had the luxury of not prepping for ANY mirrors out of his board, really doubt that's going to hold true the rest of the way. This is literally the best deck in Standard right now with favorable match ups except the mono-red and even that isn't too bad.

Edit:

In case you're wondering why this is even an issue, it's because creating a format-dominating deck at the start of post-rotation is very high accolades, simply calling it your deck is pretty insulting to Sondag and anyone else who brews at these levels. Call it sensitive or whatever you want, but these things do matter.
Get it by your hands...
dignity
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada908 Posts
October 14 2011 16:44 GMT
#1659
You were stating that it was "your" deck though when you took the decklist off someone else though. The wording of your post made it sound like it was your idea.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
October 14 2011 16:51 GMT
#1660
i said it was my deck as in the deck i want to run.
clearly i am not the one who made it. if you just take a few steps back and think about it, it would be ridiculous for me to claim that so me saying it was "my" deck in the sense that I built it is dumb. I guess thats why his comment bothered me so much. maybe i just got baited by the troll.

i still dont understand why asking for sideboard advice is ridiculous. i mean i am testing my own ideas, but i was wondering if anyone had any inspirations that i might have missed for the mirror. but w/e if no one wants to help then thats fine too.
my comment earlier that was picked apart was more amusement than anger(which i can see now how its misinterpreted) that i was asking for SB advice and someone wrote an essay about the deck instead.
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