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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
On September 20 2011 02:42 DEN1ED wrote: It was really one of the only reasons to play black though. Black really doesn't offer anything unique now. Liliana is pretty unique and most people expect it to be a big player in Standard. | ||
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last.resistance
Canada543 Posts
Question after reading the full spoiler: Are Planeswalkers considered to be creatures? If not, Bramblecrush. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:56 last.resistance wrote: So I drafted today and had a decent W/U deck. Then I lost power for 15 minutes after casting Day of Judgment in the first game. Came back into the game with about 5 minutes left on my timer. My opponent then cast Jade Mage with enough mana to make three Saprolings a turn. Sigh. Question after reading the full spoiler: Are Planeswalkers considered to be creatures? If not, Bramblecrush. Nope, they're just Planeswalkers. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:56 last.resistance wrote: So I drafted today and had a decent W/U deck. Then I lost power for 15 minutes after casting Day of Judgment in the first game. Came back into the game with about 5 minutes left on my timer. My opponent then cast Jade Mage with enough mana to make three Saprolings a turn. Sigh. Question after reading the full spoiler: Are Planeswalkers considered to be creatures? If not, Bramblecrush. Man, stick with Beast Within. You'll be happier for it. | ||
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Antipathy
United States222 Posts
Taken from: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/161a Announcement Date: September 20, 2011 Effective Date: October 1, 2011 Magic Online Effective Date: October 12, 2011 Modern Blazing Shoal is banned. Cloudpost is banned. Green Sun's Zenith is banned. Ponder is banned. Preordain is banned. Rite of Flame is banned. Extended Jace, the Mind Sculptor is banned. Mental Misstep is banned. Ponder is banned. Preordain is banned. Stoneforge Mystic is banned. Legacy Mental Misstep is banned. Vintage Fact or Fiction is no longer restricted. Scars of Mirrodin Block Constructed, Standard No changes | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
EDIT: Actually, some of you guys might know better than me but was it just a preemptive ban? Maybe WotC is just going after some Zoo supplements proactively because they banned mostly combo? | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
As for the Cloudpost ban. This is so very good for the format. Now that it's gone an actual control deck can surface due to not having to contend with 9-15 mana on turn 3 consistently. On a personal level, I'm kinda disappointed to not see Dismember get the way of the hammer in standard. This card just leads to so stale of a format that I feel that if I play efficient mana costing dudes all that it really gets me is 4 less of his life and way behind on board. Hopefully the aggro heavy format that is to come will stop this slightly. Edit: The green sun ban is simply because it has odd reactions as a turn 1 ramp spell with Dryad Arbor, as well as being a late game Surgical Knife when you tutor for Gaddock Teeg. | ||
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Fenrir-Vice
United States123 Posts
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On September 20 2011 14:17 Cixah wrote: Edit: The green sun ban is simply because it has odd reactions as a turn 1 ramp spell with Dryad Arbor, as well as being a late game Surgical Knife when you tutor for Gaddock Teeg. Isn't...isn't that the point of the card? Wizards could not have NOT known this - it's so blatant! This isn't some unintended crowdsourced interaction like Kiki-Jiki/Splinter Twin and Deceiver Exarch and it's not over-crafted like Pyromancer's Ascension. Well, I don't play Modern so I shouldn't gripe. It's just weird to me to ban a card when it has never presented a serious design or gameplay issue. | ||
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Vitozerm
Canada25 Posts
obviously modern needed most them but GSZ, ponder, and preordain seem really strange.. i can understand GSZ because (it appears to me) they wanted to take out the tools that made the best decks the best and GSZ for a nicatal or goyf seems like too much value. In that vain of thought i guess banning ponder/preordian makes splinter twin either use the combos as a plan B or kills the deck completely That said, even though i understand why they pulled the trigger on all these i think ponder and preordain should have stayed. I forsee a meta that is completely dominated by catfish/countercat/zoo even without GSZ i think goyf should have been banned over GSZ (its probably going to be like 110-130 now *sigh*) hope it turns out better than i dread it will. | ||
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Vitozerm
Canada25 Posts
banning mental misstep is going to blow up Legacy THAT is going to be really fun to see | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
I don't think many cards need to be banned but Wizards decided to go down the terrible road of "listen to QQ and ban everything" so zzz. Ban Slash Panther and Rune-Scarred Demon! | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
like I think this standard format that is about to rotate was actually just dominated by preordain. like people always look to the flashy cards but preordain was just so ridiculous. one of the most important parts of magic is the 60 card minimum, and preordain lets you play less cards(with abit of tempo loss) as well as fix your draws. its so absurd. aaron forscythe said himself that a change to preordain was made late and they hadnt tested it as much(maybe it was serum visions until late?). ponder is just as bad with fetchlands. it takes abit more work, but it digs and extra card deep. I didnt really see the GSZ banning coming, but honestly i dont really mind it. its a pretty powerful engine. I just wonder which engine will end up rising to the top that wizards allows. I feel like they should have taken abit more from zoo, but then again with cloudpost out of the format it might be a slight nerf to zoo because decks will have an easier time with more consistent maindeck ways to fight little dudes. | ||
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Fenrir-Vice
United States123 Posts
On September 20 2011 16:36 Vitozerm wrote: ALSO banning mental misstep is going to blow up Legacy THAT is going to be really fun to see no... it really won't actually. legacy was a great format for years upon years before misstep was even printed. Brainstorm has been there for ages. There are more than enough cheeky shenanigans that any color can bring out to deal with combo after sideboard. | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
![[image loading]](http://crystal-cdn.crystalcommerce.com/photo/file/2553/529122/large/prey-upon.png) and That's just straight fun. Bonus cool with + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/isd/do18f7vdta_en.jpg) | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:46 slyboogie wrote: Coolest Standard interaction I've seen so far: and That's just straight fun. Bonus cool with + Show Spoiler + hahaha thats super cute. too bad dismember is in the format >_<. jeez wizard what a prank. print a 4 mana flagship creature DRIPPING with awesome(flavor? i guess only to magic veterans) and then also print a one mana answer that every color can play. herpderp | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
Anyways, I was play-testing the Puresteel lists post rotation now that the full spoilers are out. UW works better than WB, Trinket Mage is a ghetto Stoneforge in that deck, fetches a lot of nice cards pre-and post-board. Has anyone tested the mono Blue lists? | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:08 deth2munkies wrote: I don't understand why they banned Ponder...I get Preordain, but not BOTH. Seems really excessive. If they wanted to get rid of combo, just ban keyword "STORM" then it's fine. ? Not every combo is Storm-based... | ||
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