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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
September 16 2011 09:39 GMT
#1141
drafted mono-green due to only seeing green playables in pack 1
go 2-1 but who cares because i opened a sadrobot which pretty much pays for this draft zzz

2 stingerflings, 1 arachnus spinner with 1 web, get there!
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 16 2011 13:03 GMT
#1142
Wait, theres a standard tourny that has a play set of FoW as its prize? Where? I'll drive for it.
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lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
September 16 2011 13:18 GMT
#1143
WB praetors with heartless summoning imo. 3 mana for white praetor, with 2 summonings out, negating the effect, same for black praetor. It'll be great for cheating expensive utility fatties into play, that's my take.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 16 2011 13:24 GMT
#1144
The coolest thing I've seen thus far is the Glissa + Perilous Myr. Thats pretty freaking good value. If there were better 3-4 drop artifacts I'd be inclined to agree with it as well for terms of adding black to Tempered Steel, by just dropping the 0-1-2s. Its crazy talk but worth testing I suppose. 3 mana red praetor is kinda hot too.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
September 16 2011 13:37 GMT
#1145
On September 16 2011 11:52 slyboogie wrote:
Right, it only affects creature spells. The best thing I've got for mimic vat is perilous myr as a three mana shock on a stick.


please read your cards. this does not work. I am not going to tell you why because its better if you see it yourself.

on a side note, this problem relates to one of the reasons I really dont like the "dies" terminology.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 13:44:38
September 16 2011 13:43 GMT
#1146
Edit: Thinking of Splinter twin
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 14:09:25
September 16 2011 14:05 GMT
#1147
On September 16 2011 22:37 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 11:52 slyboogie wrote:
Right, it only affects creature spells. The best thing I've got for mimic vat is perilous myr as a three mana shock on a stick.


please read your cards. this does not work. I am not going to tell you why because its better if you see it yourself.

on a side note, this problem relates to one of the reasons I really dont like the "dies" terminology.


Tokens hit the graveyard all the same...unless I am missing something else.

Edit: Don't bring up Mimic Vat's wording, that is never an issue in this particular case.
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DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
September 16 2011 14:10 GMT
#1148
On September 16 2011 23:05 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 22:37 Orpheos wrote:
On September 16 2011 11:52 slyboogie wrote:
Right, it only affects creature spells. The best thing I've got for mimic vat is perilous myr as a three mana shock on a stick.


please read your cards. this does not work. I am not going to tell you why because its better if you see it yourself.

on a side note, this problem relates to one of the reasons I really dont like the "dies" terminology.


Tokens hit the graveyard all the same...unless I am missing something else.


Yup, If the Perilous Myr token dies it triggers, however if it is exiled as a part of Mimic Vats effect, the ability does not trigger.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 16 2011 14:14 GMT
#1149
On September 16 2011 23:10 DennizR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 23:05 Judicator wrote:
On September 16 2011 22:37 Orpheos wrote:
On September 16 2011 11:52 slyboogie wrote:
Right, it only affects creature spells. The best thing I've got for mimic vat is perilous myr as a three mana shock on a stick.


please read your cards. this does not work. I am not going to tell you why because its better if you see it yourself.

on a side note, this problem relates to one of the reasons I really dont like the "dies" terminology.


Tokens hit the graveyard all the same...unless I am missing something else.


Yup, If the Perilous Myr token dies it triggers, however if it is exiled as a part of Mimic Vats effect, the ability does not trigger.


MV's effect is not part of the equation here as long as HS is active.
Get it by your hands...
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 14:16:06
September 16 2011 14:14 GMT
#1150
The use of mimic vat here feels forced. Yea it works, but there are better things than perilous myr to spend that 3 mana on in a constructed format.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 16 2011 14:16 GMT
#1151
On September 16 2011 23:14 Cixah wrote:
But it is an issue? It never goes to the yard, IE no trigger?


PM is 1/1, HS gives everything -1/-1, Mimic Vat makes token, HS SBEs the copy into the GY which triggers. MV never exiles the token.
Get it by your hands...
DennizR
Profile Joined May 2007
Sweden653 Posts
September 16 2011 14:17 GMT
#1152
On September 16 2011 23:14 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 23:10 DennizR wrote:
On September 16 2011 23:05 Judicator wrote:
On September 16 2011 22:37 Orpheos wrote:
On September 16 2011 11:52 slyboogie wrote:
Right, it only affects creature spells. The best thing I've got for mimic vat is perilous myr as a three mana shock on a stick.


please read your cards. this does not work. I am not going to tell you why because its better if you see it yourself.

on a side note, this problem relates to one of the reasons I really dont like the "dies" terminology.


Tokens hit the graveyard all the same...unless I am missing something else.


Yup, If the Perilous Myr token dies it triggers, however if it is exiled as a part of Mimic Vats effect, the ability does not trigger.


MV's effect is not part of the equation here as long as HS is active.


Oh, sorry, didn't see you were talking about something more than just Mimic Vat + Perilous Myr.

Yeah, anyhow, If the token dies it triggers, and it will die as a statebased effect immediately after being put into play by the Vat.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 16 2011 14:21 GMT
#1153
Yes, it's a specific situation for X/1s.

Also, I don't disagree with the inefficiency of 3 mana Shocks on a stick, but the deck needs cover. Assuming you want to hit this on the curve on the play, you are investing at least 5 cards of your first 3 turns, you need something else to make removal not a blow out.
Get it by your hands...
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
September 16 2011 14:42 GMT
#1154
My bad I didnt realize you were using it with the summoning card.
3 card combo for a souped up rod of ruin?
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 16 2011 14:53 GMT
#1155
I don't think it's important to be looking at the -1/-1 side of the card when the most powerful aspect is obviously the ramp. If the card is playable, it will be in a deck with a lot of expensive creatures and control elements. However, such a deck would be crippled without HS, so the important question is whether or not there will be other ramp options for black in the new set (Chalice is rotating). If yes, then an 8-card ramp package of HS + ??? and a bunch of efficient black fatties could be promising. The Mimic Vat stuff just seems awkward, why not run Sorin instead?
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
September 16 2011 15:01 GMT
#1156
The -1/-1 is just a small downside. 5 Mana white praetor negates the effect and gives you an additional p/t. That's pretty good value considering it'll most likely be coming down in 2 or 3 turns after you cast the HS. Grave Titan on turn 4 sounds pretty hot to me too. Even if he's make 1/1's. Splash green play Primeval? Or hell things like Primoridal Hydra or whatever it is. That's 2 free counters. Seems like good value to me.
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
September 16 2011 15:06 GMT
#1157
its like the lotus cobra effect. it definitely has power, but you have to build your dekc properly to take advantage of it, but not shit the bed when it doesnt have it.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 15:39:09
September 16 2011 15:33 GMT
#1158
Heartless summoning, 1 mana deceiver exarch... bah idk. Splinter Twin just does it better probably

I have two gideons and three elspeths from drafting with friends, any way you think I could play a competitive standard deck that's white?
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 15:42:26
September 16 2011 15:38 GMT
#1159
Splinter Twin is gone anyway. Mimic Vat makes 2 tokens with Parallel Lives in play. Now how to break it.

Edit: Little Kid Green White. Find Thruns, Find Mirran Crusaders, Find swords, faceroll.
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slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 16:43:56
September 16 2011 16:42 GMT
#1160
On September 16 2011 22:37 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2011 11:52 slyboogie wrote:
Right, it only affects creature spells. The best thing I've got for mimic vat is perilous myr as a three mana shock on a stick.


please read your cards. this does not work. I am not going to tell you why because its better if you see it yourself.

on a side note, this problem relates to one of the reasons I really dont like the "dies" terminology.


I've read both cards. I'm pretty sure a token can die. The exiling part of mimic vat is not relevant if the token dies, no?

Edit: just to be clear. When a token dies, it enters the graveyard then immediately becomes exiled. It still "dies."
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