EPTAlways found it wierd but when its for good money I can understand DCI wants to be thorough.
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
Always found it wierd but when its for good money I can understand DCI wants to be thorough. | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
He pretty clearly moves a card to the top and then does about 10 more shuffles without ever changing the top card... | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 26 2014 12:35 DEN1ED wrote: I don't see how Boettcher was cleared by the DCI. NO ONE shuffles like that. Just look at this vid that has his shuffle in slow-mo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLoG-azie6Y&feature=youtu.be He pretty clearly moves a card to the top and then does about 10 more shuffles without ever changing the top card... Which is why I said that in today's day and age its not always a witch hunt even if the guy is deemed innocent by the powers that be. He looks guilty to me, but its also still possible that that was an accident. DCI is okay with it, so whatever for now. But If he gets another accusation I would not be surprised. | ||
micronesia
United States24801 Posts
That still looks very suspicious, though. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
I would imagine a pro is very conscious of how they are shuffling, so if I had to guess I would say probably cheating. | ||
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Urth
United States1256 Posts
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MCXD
Australia2738 Posts
On October 26 2014 13:49 Urth wrote: It's kind of ridiculous they don't give lifetime bans for cheating. I agree. | ||
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micronesia
United States24801 Posts
Also, lifetime bans would have to be saved for black and white cases, as opposed to situations where it's not 100% clear if someone cheated or not, requiring a subjective ruling, in my opinion. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1971 Posts
On October 26 2014 12:19 MCMcEmcee wrote: Lost in the finals for the lotus Did they at least give you a lotus petal? | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
I don't know why they're tolerated such behavior and I hope most MTG players are informed about these guys and just stop playing them where ever they go. I don't believe much in giving people a second chance especially cheating, why? you ask, well it's because they know they're cheating and they wouldn't have stopped if they didn't get caught, it's not a mistake, they know they're taking advantages of others and they acted like they're innocent, they knew it but deep down inside they're too selfish. | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Stream monsters in particular are WAY too quick in this day and age to jump on the Cheat Train BECAUSE of Bertoncini. He was the first notable person to do it, repeatedly, and 'Get Away with it.' While it would suck to not have access to it, I'm starting to think SCG should hide the vods for up to two or three weeks just to make people get back to what matters for this game, actually playing it. Instead of scrutinizing everything like has come up in the past. | ||
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
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DEN1ED
United States1087 Posts
On October 26 2014 23:29 Hagen0 wrote: Because that could be and was abused too. How was it abused? The rule change happened when I took some time off of magic. If you are only allowed just one cut I don't see anyway to really abuse that. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 26 2014 12:54 DEN1ED wrote: Ya , I could see someone accidentally shuffling like that once, but he does it EVERY time. Sad part is I assume he will stop doing it now and has just gotten away with it all. No disagreements. It's one of those "whoops my bad" that people are allowed to get away with and only if they are successful and get on a vod/top tables do you notice "he does that each round doesn't he?" | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
No really, I'm sure I could find the vods some where. During the World Championships earlier this year, They had the level 3 Judge watching the match to ensure that EVERY phase was met. 2 level 2 judges would shuffle the decks for the players whenever necessary. Personally, this is the best impartial approach. /s | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On October 27 2014 18:43 Cixah wrote: We could always go with the Yu-Gi-Oh approach and have their level 2 and level 3 judges ALWAYS SHUFFLE THE DECK. No really, I'm sure I could find the vods some where. During the World Championships earlier this year, They had the level 3 Judge watching the match to ensure that EVERY phase was met. 2 level 2 judges would shuffle the decks for the players whenever necessary. Personally, this is the best impartial approach. /s The question is, would they be allowed to do shortcutting? crack fetches (shuffle for each fetch) => Green Sun's Zenith (shuffle twice) => Knight of the reliquary, attach lightning greaves then tap to search (shuffle) => fetchland crack (shuffle) => search for savannah => stoneforge (shuffle) => equipment | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Problem solved. | ||
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