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BallinWitStalin
Profile Joined July 2008
1177 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-27 13:43:33
October 27 2014 13:42 GMT
#11441
On October 27 2014 22:13 deth2munkies wrote:
They just need to make a Vegas style shuffling machine that works with 60 sleeved cards.

Problem solved.


This has been said a million times before, but here goes again....

Do you really want to be putting a 5k deck into a shuffling machine?

What if it's vintage? Do you trust a shuffling machine with a black lotus??

Also that would require heavy investment in infrastructure, which would be prohibitive for any non-gigantic tournament organizers, etc....
I await the reminiscent nerd chills I will get when I hear a Korean broadcaster yell "WEEAAAAVVVVVUUUHHH" while watching Dota
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 27 2014 15:45 GMT
#11442
On October 27 2014 00:14 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2014 23:29 Hagen0 wrote:
Because that could be and was abused too.

How was it abused? The rule change happened when I took some time off of magic. If you are only allowed just one cut I don't see anyway to really abuse that.

you can cut to a subtly marked card super-easily if it's say a SLIGHTLY wider sleeve or similar.
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MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
October 28 2014 06:19 GMT
#11443
This is so sad... people cheating even in a card game, who can we trust if we're doing business then ?

I'm so disgusted by these people.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 30 2014 15:48 GMT
#11444
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/2013-2014-rookie-year-title-revoked-2014-10-30

Boettcher gets his Rookie of the Year Revoked and is Banned for 46 months. Witch Hunting works?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22452 Posts
October 30 2014 16:14 GMT
#11445
On October 31 2014 00:48 Cixah wrote:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/2013-2014-rookie-year-title-revoked-2014-10-30

Boettcher gets his Rookie of the Year Revoked and is Banned for 46 months. Witch Hunting works?

Considering all the evidence its amazing he wasn't banned in the first place.
I would guess they were hoping it would get overlooked so they didn't have to publicly revoke the award, doesn't look good for them that a cheater managed to win it.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-30 19:52:01
October 30 2014 18:05 GMT
#11446
On October 31 2014 01:14 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 00:48 Cixah wrote:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/2013-2014-rookie-year-title-revoked-2014-10-30

Boettcher gets his Rookie of the Year Revoked and is Banned for 46 months. Witch Hunting works?

Considering all the evidence its amazing he wasn't banned in the first place.
I would guess they were hoping it would get overlooked so they didn't have to publicly revoke the award, doesn't look good for them that a cheater managed to win it.


Apparently the initial report of being cleared by the DCI was for an investigation into collusion, not the shuffle cheats.

http://www.examiner.com/article/magic-player-jared-boettcher-addresses-dci-suspension-and-shufflegate
Lol he is still claiming he is innocent and is appealing it. Ya good luck with that.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
October 30 2014 19:05 GMT
#11447
Any other SCG Oakland attendants here?
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
October 30 2014 21:05 GMT
#11448
I plan on playing in Standard with a ragtag mix of Mardu colored cards thrown together. I have been traveling so I haven't had much time to practice but its my first big event like this so it should be a ton of fun.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22452 Posts
October 30 2014 21:49 GMT
#11449
On October 31 2014 03:05 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 01:14 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 31 2014 00:48 Cixah wrote:
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/2013-2014-rookie-year-title-revoked-2014-10-30

Boettcher gets his Rookie of the Year Revoked and is Banned for 46 months. Witch Hunting works?

Considering all the evidence its amazing he wasn't banned in the first place.
I would guess they were hoping it would get overlooked so they didn't have to publicly revoke the award, doesn't look good for them that a cheater managed to win it.


Apparently the initial report of being cleared by the DCI was for an investigation into collusion, not the shuffle cheats.

http://www.examiner.com/article/magic-player-jared-boettcher-addresses-dci-suspension-and-shufflegate
Lol he is still claiming he is innocent and is appealing it. Ya good luck with that.

If he truly is innocent he now has 3 and a half years to learn how to shuffle :p
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 31 2014 18:19 GMT
#11450
How do I draft this set? Suggestions? What seems to be the best colors?
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 31 2014 19:32 GMT
#11451
5 color
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.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 20:21:20
October 31 2014 20:19 GMT
#11452
Either you care about lands or you don't. Basically means go 5 color or 2 color splashing a third.

If you go 5 color (big tell for me is getting a tri land early) your goal is to get fixing, blockers, morphs, and bombs. Looking at 10-12 fixing and about 8 morphs if you have either of the morph enablers (Trail of Mystery or Secret Plans). Almost always will be base blue because it has the best stallers with Monastery Flock and Crippling Chill. Try to pick up a couple Bitter Revelations and/or Treasure Cruises to tie your deck together. Other then that just snag up all the fixing and hilarious bombs that get passed to you and enjoy your free wins as everyone else in your pod bitches about getting mana screwed.

2 color is a little bit harder to identify but if you do it well its fine. Will be looking to be the aggressor vs the 4/5 color decks and IMO the biggest thing is that you are just looking to curve out. If you can get on the board early vs the 5 color decks and just keep putting on the pressure / remove their stuff before the critical 5 land mark. If you do go 2 color try to be base enemy colors so you can potentially splash to 2 separate colors pretty easily. These will play most like other drafts and are just looking for a good mix of threats / removal / tricks with minimal fixing. Depending on your splashes I would shoot for 2-4 fixing and roll with it. W/B is probably the best out of the two color decks but combinations work just fine (U/R, G/B, etc.)

Clan strength really just depends on what your deck looks like. If I would have to rank them it would probably be Abzan, Mardu, Jeskai/Temur, and then Sultai. Again you are looking to be base two colors and then splashing a third.

More reading by people that actually know what they are doing.
http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/pvs-playhouse-khans-of-tarkir-limited/

Edit: forgot the most importat part, pick a strategy and stay without the entire draft, its much better to play your shit then have cards sit in your hand that you can't cast. Also, 18 lands. Almost all this information is gathered after reading articles like the one above and SCG stuff


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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 01 2014 05:31 GMT
#11453
Ended up playing Standard at FNM, bought Boss Sligh for 35 dollars (lol) and then borrowed Rabblemasters from my roommate because shinanaigans needed to be had. Might cut the Firedrinkers though, They were almost never good. Especially when mcmcmc, Double Stokes 2 of them and Lightining Strikes the other in testing. Dunna what to make them though.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 01 2014 06:07 GMT
#11454
On November 01 2014 14:31 Cixah wrote:
Ended up playing Standard at FNM, bought Boss Sligh for 35 dollars (lol) and then borrowed Rabblemasters from my roommate because shinanaigans needed to be had. Might cut the Firedrinkers though, They were almost never good. Especially when mcmcmc, Double Stokes 2 of them and Lightining Strikes the other in testing. Dunna what to make them though.

Treasure Cruise.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 01 2014 06:12 GMT
#11455
On November 01 2014 15:07 MCMcEmcee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 14:31 Cixah wrote:
Ended up playing Standard at FNM, bought Boss Sligh for 35 dollars (lol) and then borrowed Rabblemasters from my roommate because shinanaigans needed to be had. Might cut the Firedrinkers though, They were almost never good. Especially when mcmcmc, Double Stokes 2 of them and Lightining Strikes the other in testing. Dunna what to make them though.

Treasure Cruise.


Your greed is showing.

But maybe.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 02 2014 09:36 GMT
#11456
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=75605

Let's do this next week. It looks Bonkers.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 02 2014 20:16 GMT
#11457
my friend is streaming and tuning the deck right now, deck is sweet
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22452 Posts
November 02 2014 20:27 GMT
#11458
Just won the SCG standard open as well.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
November 02 2014 20:49 GMT
#11459
On November 03 2014 05:16 MCMcEmcee wrote:
my friend is streaming and tuning the deck right now, deck is sweet


IMO just replace the Charms with Swan Songs or Stuborn Denials and just go slap nuts. Then turn the trailerblazers into seeker of the way 3 and 4.

Seems pretty easy, but you're likely greedy and trying to go on a boat and get some more cards out of it.
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MCMcEmcee
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1609 Posts
November 02 2014 21:15 GMT
#11460
If you saw how much treasure was on the boat, you would get greedy too.
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