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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
October 16 2010 19:11 GMT
#24601
AFAIK Azen ran AD Kennen exclusively until the buffs, then started running him AP. I don't know if/how much he plays AD anymore.

I'm not the best Kennen but I never buy rageblade. Rylais, Zhonyas, and Abyssal all give Kennen more of what he needs.
it's my first day
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 16 2010 19:14 GMT
#24602
Ignore what I said, then o/
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 19:25:20
October 16 2010 19:15 GMT
#24603
On October 17 2010 04:07 gtrsrs wrote:
Kennen's as good at AD as he used to be, but that comes with a disclaimer* in that Kennen used to be able to go AP or AD equally effective. His AD hasn't been hurt at all but his AP ratios all got a huge buff a couple patches ago and he's much much more effective AP now. 10 patches ago you saw hybrid and even AD kennen pretty frequently but now you're just gimping yourself by not playing to his strengths

yeah GRB is a nice luxury item but not at all required on kennen imo imo


The game I went jungle Kennen in also had a somewhat built XZ on the other team, and as monster as Kennen can be 1v1, XZ is better(getting knocked up every half second is cool sauce). Then in team fights it came down to... if you want to use lightning rush/your ult, you are kind of forgoing your range dps status, so why wouldn't you just build AP? I'm not saying the build is terribly unviable or anything, it's just that AP is clearly superior(kind of like AP vs AS kog right now, AP is actually still a somewhat decent/viable build, AS/BR is just better).

Edit: AD Kennen is also paper thin, no Zhonyas/Rylais is so killer.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 16 2010 19:23 GMT
#24604
On October 17 2010 04:11 myopia wrote:
AFAIK Azen ran AD Kennen exclusively until the buffs, then started running him AP. I don't know if/how much he plays AD anymore.

I'm not the best Kennen but I never buy rageblade. Rylais, Zhonyas, and Abyssal all give Kennen more of what he needs.

He still goes AD Kennen. There's some games where he goes AP but most of his games he goes AD. At least from what I've seen.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
October 16 2010 19:47 GMT
#24605
On October 17 2010 04:09 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 04:06 Phrost wrote:
Kennen is king when you go into the late game with a big aoe comp which will naturally favor AP.

I feel like on Magma chamber he could go for a more AD build and abuse his stuns to allow for a few extra attacks to kill people.

The other thing is most of kennen's early harass is AP based and is a lot easier to use than running up to hit someone.


Magma already on test realm? INCOMING SOON????

O_O!

If this is true then... GIVE US MAGMA FOR PRACTICE!!!
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
October 16 2010 19:56 GMT
#24606
Just had a mummy tell me he needed blue buff more than me (Heimer) mid-game. Then he said "anyway, you're useless" (I was 1/0/4). He fed them the blue buff about 60 seconds later, diving with no support for no reason. He ended 8/9/18, I ended 5/1/12, and saved our carry Nidalee repeatedly in teamfights.

I don't get why people don't respect Heimer. Is it just that they still associate him with his useless turrets? He has a low CD AoE stun/blind, he has a slow, he has significant AoE damage... I really hope Riot listens to all the bitching and rebuffs him in some way -- I'd probably end up like 200 ELO overrated...
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 16 2010 20:07 GMT
#24607
Heimer's got good nukes, but his turrets also provide amazingly good sustained damage, and people tend to not be able to focus them in the heat of battle, so to me, heimer's also partially a DPS champ, in a contorted way.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
October 16 2010 20:11 GMT
#24608
the point remains that heimer need blue much more than mummy does. srsly, wtf the mummy gonna do with blue, keep cry on all the time?
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 16 2010 20:18 GMT
#24609
guys I know mundo's cleaver does what it pleases, but does it crit?
washed
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 20:22:56
October 16 2010 20:22 GMT
#24610
On October 17 2010 05:18 Vlanitak wrote:
guys I know mundo's cleaver does what it pleases, but does it crit?

no

On October 17 2010 05:11 barbsq wrote:
the point remains that heimer need blue much more than mummy does. srsly, wtf the mummy gonna do with blue, keep cry on all the time?

yes
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 16 2010 20:24 GMT
#24611
On October 17 2010 05:22 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:18 Vlanitak wrote:
guys I know mundo's cleaver does what it pleases, but does it crit?

no

Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:11 barbsq wrote:
the point remains that heimer need blue much more than mummy does. srsly, wtf the mummy gonna do with blue, keep cry on all the time?

yes


ok atleast it goes where it pleases
washed
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 16 2010 20:24 GMT
#24612
On October 17 2010 04:56 oberon wrote:
Just had a mummy tell me he needed blue buff more than me (Heimer) mid-game. Then he said "anyway, you're useless" (I was 1/0/4). He fed them the blue buff about 60 seconds later, diving with no support for no reason. He ended 8/9/18, I ended 5/1/12, and saved our carry Nidalee repeatedly in teamfights.

I don't get why people don't respect Heimer. Is it just that they still associate him with his useless turrets? He has a low CD AoE stun/blind, he has a slow, he has significant AoE damage... I really hope Riot listens to all the bitching and rebuffs him in some way -- I'd probably end up like 200 ELO overrated...


People are just dumb. Yes, blue helps the jungler but beyond level 8, all buffs should go to your dps and caster carries. Whoo dee doo, Amumu get a -15s on his ulti when he takes blue. Isn't it wonderful?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
October 16 2010 20:26 GMT
#24613
INFINITE DAMAGE
FROM
INFINITE TEARS

I don't think it has anything to do with Heimer and more to do with shoddy players hahah.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 20:29:31
October 16 2010 20:26 GMT
#24614
Are there any screenshots or info on Magma Chamber yet? Like what kind of jungle creeps, etc.. Sorry if it's already in the thread been busy watching SC this weekend :D, not keeping up

edit: Depends on who is the jungler and who wants it.. I actually hog blue with amummu, and then give all the reds up(I purposely ping and tell the carry to come take the red), some heroes like anivia/heimer etc I'll give blue up too, but not if they are playing bad or im getting fed off ganks.. cause I can usually carry with mummy.. he's that good.

Where on some heroes.. I just don't really care about blue at all after the 1st or second.. :D... especially if some caster/carry that needs mana is destroying on my team
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 16 2010 20:27 GMT
#24615
Salce's probably the best Kennen I know. He goes AP on SR and AD on TT. He has his Kennen guide on epikgamer's site.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 16 2010 20:28 GMT
#24616
On October 17 2010 05:26 Southlight wrote:
INFINITE DAMAGE
FROM
INFINITE TEARS

I don't think it has anything to do with Heimer and more to do with shoddy players hahah.


Tears are overrated until Amumu has enough AP. I'll take missles anyday. rawr
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 16 2010 20:29 GMT
#24617
On October 17 2010 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:
Salce's probably the best Kennen I know. He goes AP on SR and AD on TT. He has his Kennen guide on epikgamer's site.

He played Annie/vlad in the WCG for usa didnt he?
I saw someone using his build in a ranked game earlier
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 16 2010 20:31 GMT
#24618
On October 17 2010 05:28 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:26 Southlight wrote:
INFINITE DAMAGE
FROM
INFINITE TEARS

I don't think it has anything to do with Heimer and more to do with shoddy players hahah.


Tears are overrated until Amumu has enough AP. I'll take missles anyday. rawr


pshh you don't need ap for tears to do damage, I never get ap =/ I just spam tantrum tears.. can usually take down teams like that...

people forgetting how much damage mummy does cause he's banned every game now :p
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 16 2010 20:36 GMT
#24619
On October 17 2010 05:29 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:
Salce's probably the best Kennen I know. He goes AP on SR and AD on TT. He has his Kennen guide on epikgamer's site.

He played Annie/vlad in the WCG for usa didnt he?
I saw someone using his build in a ranked game earlier


He's also a very good Vlad, definitely demonstrated that during WCG. Annie, I'd probably give that to OddOne though. Salce plays good carries nevertheless.
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 16 2010 20:39 GMT
#24620
On October 17 2010 05:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 05:29 arb wrote:
On October 17 2010 05:27 NeoIllusions wrote:
Salce's probably the best Kennen I know. He goes AP on SR and AD on TT. He has his Kennen guide on epikgamer's site.

He played Annie/vlad in the WCG for usa didnt he?
I saw someone using his build in a ranked game earlier


He's also a very good Vlad, definitely demonstrated that during WCG. Annie, I'd probably give that to OddOne though. Salce plays good carries nevertheless.


I've never played Salce but I remember someone saying he was an inconsistent annie and they were surprised they were having salce play him.. he did ok job nuking kog down that game.. but I feel they let that game slip out of control.. wish they would have won instead of clg though, I like rooting for under dogs..
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