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Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
December 16 2013 08:18 GMT
#821
can someone clarify the character picking rules? why couldnt Fly stay as Shiek vs MK's Peach?
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
December 16 2013 08:24 GMT
#822
On December 16 2013 17:18 Fishgle wrote:
can someone clarify the character picking rules? why couldnt Fly stay as Shiek vs MK's Peach?


He could, but than M2K could pick who he wanted, and he'd probably win in the Sheik ditto. Counterpicking goes, loser picks stage, winner picks character, loser picks character.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 08:26:26
December 16 2013 08:24 GMT
#823
I think if Fly stayed Sheik, M2K could've counterpicked a different character, and Fly would rather play ICs vs Peach than Sheik vs other character.

lol @ the Samuses... each went 0-3, 3-0, 0-3 in bracket (except Duck who got a win in his first set)
why do I main Samus too underpowered

Anyway, great tournament (and Tipped Off 9 was cool too!) Too bad I spent my whole weekend watching smash instead of finishing the work I need to do to graduate... loooooooool

On December 16 2013 10:38 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 09:06 ]343[ wrote:
stream pls

I want to see godly peach+fox vs peach+fox


http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Internet has been on and off all day though.


I posted that when the stream was temporarily down

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Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 08:26:37
December 16 2013 08:26 GMT
#824
I believe winner has to choose character before loser does IIRC. It depends on the ruleset they were playing at as this was the case at EVO

Edit: Ninja'd
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
December 16 2013 08:41 GMT
#825
On December 16 2013 17:24 ]343[ wrote:
why do I main Samus too underpowered


iirc haven't you been playing for a pretty long time? make better decisions lolol
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 16 2013 11:40 GMT
#826
Amazing tournament!

14k viewers!
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 16 2013 13:13 GMT
#827
On December 16 2013 17:24 ]343[ wrote:
I think if Fly stayed Sheik, M2K could've counterpicked a different character, and Fly would rather play ICs vs Peach than Sheik vs other character.

lol @ the Samuses... each went 0-3, 3-0, 0-3 in bracket (except Duck who got a win in his first set)
why do I main Samus too underpowered

Anyway, great tournament (and Tipped Off 9 was cool too!) Too bad I spent my whole weekend watching smash instead of finishing the work I need to do to graduate... loooooooool

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 10:38 stuchiu wrote:
On December 16 2013 09:06 ]343[ wrote:
stream pls

I want to see godly peach+fox vs peach+fox


http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp

Internet has been on and off all day though.


I posted that when the stream was temporarily down


i just wished some matchups were better for her. fuck puffs
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 16 2013 13:32 GMT
#828
I don't think that Samus is that bad. She has many powerful techniques that most players just don't utilize at all. My favorite is shff missile. Might have the most untapped potential in the game at least out of the upper tiers.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 13:58:08
December 16 2013 13:57 GMT
#829
On December 16 2013 17:41 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 17:24 ]343[ wrote:
why do I main Samus too underpowered


iirc haven't you been playing for a pretty long time? make better decisions lolol


not that long (and I still haven't attended any tournaments for whatever reason, mostly because I'm bad)

yeah to be fair, I can't say in good conscience that "Samus is holding me back"; I'm just terrible

on the other hand, sheik is soooo easy ;P
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
December 16 2013 14:09 GMT
#830
On December 16 2013 22:32 Shikyo wrote:
I don't think that Samus is that bad. She has many powerful techniques that most players just don't utilize at all. My favorite is shff missile. Might have the most untapped potential in the game at least out of the upper tiers.


Samus IS very good, high teir for certain. She also doesn't have too many hard counters, which is very nice.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
December 16 2013 15:40 GMT
#831
On December 16 2013 23:09 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 22:32 Shikyo wrote:
I don't think that Samus is that bad. She has many powerful techniques that most players just don't utilize at all. My favorite is shff missile. Might have the most untapped potential in the game at least out of the upper tiers.


Samus IS very good, high teir for certain. She also doesn't have too many hard counters, which is very nice.


Eh, I'd say Sheik and Falcon are very good vs Samus, and Puff is pretty good too... also, Fox is Fox

On the other hand, Samus does have a relatively good matchup vs Falco, and a good matchup vs ICs
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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 17:28:18
December 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#832
On December 16 2013 23:09 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2013 22:32 Shikyo wrote:
I don't think that Samus is that bad. She has many powerful techniques that most players just don't utilize at all. My favorite is shff missile. Might have the most untapped potential in the game at least out of the upper tiers.


Samus IS very good, high teir for certain. She also doesn't have too many hard counters, which is very nice.


What lol? Besides Fox and maybe Peach she's disadvantaged against every single top tier. Especially Sheik and Puff who are like 80-20 vs. her. Not too horrible against Falco either I guess

so yeah she is high tier but has a lot of pretty hard counters
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 19:06:57
December 16 2013 19:06 GMT
#833
Falcon and Sheik demolishes Samus. Puff and Fox too. Peach wins handily. Marth wins.

Falco and IC's are the only matchups really that is good for samus, and I'm pretty sure falco wins against samus too..

Shikyo: Where you at the Finnish tournament 3 weeks ago or so, close to Helsinki? Me and a few other Swedes attended it.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-16 21:04:07
December 16 2013 21:03 GMT
#834
Fox doesn't demolish Samus haha it's pretty even. One of his few even matchups
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
December 17 2013 01:53 GMT
#835
On December 17 2013 06:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Fox doesn't demolish Samus haha it's pretty even. One of his few even matchups

space animals are a lot better for samus than falcon/sheik/puff. i shouldnt talk too much about this though since i am god awful at the game
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
December 17 2013 02:05 GMT
#836


its up!@!!!
ThatGuy
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada695 Posts
December 17 2013 15:37 GMT
#837
[image loading]

So good, I remember Cort doing this years ago but never saw someone bust it out in tournament!
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-17 23:10:21
December 17 2013 23:07 GMT
#838
On December 17 2013 06:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Fox doesn't demolish Samus haha it's pretty even. One of his few even matchups


Definitely not. I've played Duck, Hugs and Darrell at Apex 2012 and even though I was much worse at the time I did pretty decent.

There's a Samus main in my local community too and fox definitely has the advantage.

Just because it's better for Samus than falcon or sheik doesn't mean it's a good matchup.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 17 2013 23:17 GMT
#839
It's kinda like saying Luigi is good against Falco. I mean he's good against Falco in a sense that he can fight relatively evenly but not in a sense that he's actually good against falco.
Jaedong :3
ThatGuy
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada695 Posts
December 18 2013 02:03 GMT
#840
On December 18 2013 08:07 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 06:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Fox doesn't demolish Samus haha it's pretty even. One of his few even matchups


Definitely not. I've played Duck, Hugs and Darrell at Apex 2012 and even though I was much worse at the time I did pretty decent.

There's a Samus main in my local community too and fox definitely has the advantage.

Just because it's better for Samus than falcon or sheik doesn't mean it's a good matchup.


On December 18 2013 08:17 ReketSomething wrote:
It's kinda like saying Luigi is good against Falco. I mean he's good against Falco in a sense that he can fight relatively evenly but not in a sense that he's actually good against falco.


Hence why he said the matchup is even, not favored . Even a 4-6 matchup deficit I wouldn't consider as 'demolishing'.
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