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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
January 11 2009 02:14 GMT
#21
Great article.

I really started believing in Leta's potential after watching him beat Hwasin on Rush Hour, after an awful start.
eX-Corgh
Profile Joined October 2007
Russian Federation386 Posts
January 11 2009 02:29 GMT
#22
Until Leta wins a starleague hes just another Sea for me.
Never give cheese to the Gorilla ^^
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 11 2009 02:30 GMT
#23
On January 11 2009 11:29 eX-Corgh wrote:
Until Leta wins a starleague hes just another Sea for me.



It all comes down to whether or not he can get over his nerves. Being a more inexperienced player, that may be difficult.
RIP Aaliyah
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
January 11 2009 02:43 GMT
#24
Was wondering when someone was going to do an article on Leta, very nice.
I didn't like Leta for a while when he was surfacing as a force in OGN. The first time I saw him in his match vs Stork, he was amazing to watch, but I got pissed at how hard he abused Blue Storm vs Kal in the playoffs. Now I <3 him because I chose him for my fantasy proleague .

I really don't think he will become dominant but there is an extremely high possibility of him becoming a starleague regular. When I saw his proleague tear, he reminded me alot of Free. He has explosive play at times yet can't pull out the extra strength required to win a starleague. I think at the least he will make it into a starleague quarter within the next 2 seasons.
Burre
Profile Joined September 2008
Sweden154 Posts
January 11 2009 02:43 GMT
#25
Leta has loads of potential and watching his games is like watching textbook progaming. But until he steps up to the plate and starts performing in the individual leagues he's just another Sea[Shield]. He has to show he's got his head screwed on tight enough to claim a starleague gold medal and that means more than mere talent. He has to be able to stand firm under the pressure and not be psyched out by mind games. If Leta manages to do that he is indeed the next big thing.
90125
Profile Joined December 2008
2 Posts
January 11 2009 02:48 GMT
#26
Too much fluff and overlapping in this article, not enough information.
shavingcream66
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1219 Posts
January 11 2009 02:50 GMT
#27
he's good but I don't think he'll be a legend
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 11 2009 02:51 GMT
#28
On January 11 2009 11:48 90125 wrote:
Too much fluff and overlapping in this article, not enough information.


I posted VODs and linked his TLPD AND posted the important stats from his TLPD AND analyzed his play style.

Besides, TLFE is more about hype and fluff then being a data dump. Sick first post, btw.
RIP Aaliyah
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 11 2009 02:53 GMT
#29
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 11 2009 02:54 GMT
#30
On January 11 2009 11:53 d_so wrote:
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.


imo, he's proven that he can easily beat S-Class players (BeSt, Luxury, FlaSh, Stork, Sea)

He just needs to perform very well in the individual leagues. I think he will, as long as he gets over his nerves. We'll see, the OSL/MSL awaits!
RIP Aaliyah
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
January 11 2009 02:57 GMT
#31
If he wins himself a title then I'll be amazed, it's not enough to dominate in the ProLeague, I just hope he makes it to at least Ro4s.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
90125
Profile Joined December 2008
2 Posts
January 11 2009 02:58 GMT
#32
I like keeping my post count low... otherwise I might be a decent writer DERRR

How's that for a sick second post kid
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 11 2009 02:59 GMT
#33
On January 11 2009 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2009 11:53 d_so wrote:
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.


imo, he's proven that he can easily beat S-Class players (BeSt, Luxury, FlaSh, Stork, Sea)

He just needs to perform very well in the individual leagues. I think he will, as long as he gets over his nerves. We'll see, the OSL/MSL awaits!


... that's why i said those arguments are slowly disappearing.

?
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-11 03:02:47
January 11 2009 03:01 GMT
#34
On January 11 2009 11:58 90125 wrote:
I like keeping my post count low... otherwise I might be a decent writer DERRR

How's that for a sick second post kid


There is no way you're stupid enough to start posting like that right off the bat and not expect to be banned. I put a lot of effort into this article, you don't have to be a dick.


RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 11 2009 03:01 GMT
#35
On January 11 2009 11:59 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2009 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 11 2009 11:53 d_so wrote:
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.


imo, he's proven that he can easily beat S-Class players (BeSt, Luxury, FlaSh, Stork, Sea)

He just needs to perform very well in the individual leagues. I think he will, as long as he gets over his nerves. We'll see, the OSL/MSL awaits!


... that's why i said those arguments are slowly disappearing.

?


No, I'm agreeing with you. There are those who think Leta will fail in the leagues, and others who think he'll perform pretty well. I'm of the opinion he'll be at least a quarter/semi-finalist this season, if not next season.
RIP Aaliyah
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-11 03:07:15
January 11 2009 03:02 GMT
#36
and yeah i'm just saying in terms of getting a TLFE or whatever... or to declare him to be "more than a rising star" and to imply that he's already arrived as a star... it's just too much, even if I totally agree with you about Leta's ability ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84778 , http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84174)

and i'm not sure what you mean about nerves... do you have a source for this? I mean, yeah, sea's nerves are well documented and stuff, but Leta has a nerves problem as well?
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Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
January 11 2009 03:04 GMT
#37
On January 11 2009 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2009 11:53 d_so wrote:
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.


imo, he's proven that he can easily beat S-Class players (BeSt, Luxury, FlaSh, Stork, Sea)

He just needs to perform very well in the individual leagues. I think he will, as long as he gets over his nerves. We'll see, the OSL/MSL awaits!


His most recent game against BeSt was a loss, Luxury has been slumping hard, he hasn't played Stork since 2007, and Sea...is Sea. For that matter, when did he even face Flash?

I'm not saying he's not shown himself to be a top player, he definitely has, however I think you're painting him as more successful than he has been.

Nice article though, very well written. My Flash fanboyism just makes it hard for me to ignore that comment.
BW forever || Thall
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 11 2009 03:04 GMT
#38
On January 11 2009 12:02 d_so wrote:
and yeah i'm just saying in terms of getting a TLFE or whatever... or to declare him to be "more than a rising star" and to imply that he's already arrived as a star... it's just too much, even if I totally agree with you about Leta's ability (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84778, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=84174)

and i'm not sure what you mean about nerves... do you have a source for this? I mean, yeah, sea's nerves are well documented and stuff, but Leta has a nerves problem as well?


Well, when a players wins in proleague don't translate over to the starleague, it's usually a nerves problem. Most Proleague superstars who don't do well in leagues have a problem with nerves and just choke a lot.

Otherwise they usually end up performing in the StarLeague within 1-2 seasons. It's a matter of what you expect Leta will do.

I think he is more than just a rising star. Dominating an entire league and carrying your entire team is star material, imo. Will he be a StarLeague champion? We've yet to see.
RIP Aaliyah
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
January 11 2009 03:05 GMT
#39
On January 11 2009 12:04 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2009 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 11 2009 11:53 d_so wrote:
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.


imo, he's proven that he can easily beat S-Class players (BeSt, Luxury, FlaSh, Stork, Sea)

He just needs to perform very well in the individual leagues. I think he will, as long as he gets over his nerves. We'll see, the OSL/MSL awaits!


His most recent game against BeSt was a loss, Luxury has been slumping hard, he hasn't played Stork since 2007, and Sea...is Sea. For that matter, when did he even face Flash?

I'm not saying he's not shown himself to be a top player, he definitely has, however I think you're painting him as more successful than he has been.

Nice article though, very well written. My Flash fanboyism just makes it hard for me to ignore that comment.


he beat mind =)

and forgg, albeit an off-form forgg.

this osl/msl is gonna show a lot imo
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-11 03:08:56
January 11 2009 03:07 GMT
#40
On January 11 2009 12:04 Rostam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2009 11:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 11 2009 11:53 d_so wrote:
cool stuff. but.... even if the arguments against his stardom are slowly disappearing (he hasnt played enough S class gamers, let's see how he does vs mind/flash whatever), let's wait just a bit more till he shows some individual league results. I think he deserves more attention then he's getting, and slowly people are swinging towards his favor, but right now Leta is like a terran Best... dominant, talented players that haven't won anything.


imo, he's proven that he can easily beat S-Class players (BeSt, Luxury, FlaSh, Stork, Sea)

He just needs to perform very well in the individual leagues. I think he will, as long as he gets over his nerves. We'll see, the OSL/MSL awaits!


His most recent game against BeSt was a loss, Luxury has been slumping hard, he hasn't played Stork since 2007, and Sea...is Sea. For that matter, when did he even face Flash?

I'm not saying he's not shown himself to be a top player, he definitely has, however I think you're painting him as more successful than he has been.

Nice article though, very well written. My Flash fanboyism just makes it hard for me to ignore that comment.


He recently beat: Mind, fOrGG, firebathero, UpMagiC, Luxury, Tempest, and GGPlay.

He beat BeSt on 08-07-25.

Those players aren't any joke. firebathero is absolutely top tier TvT, that victory gives Leta a lot of cred. So does his ridiculous Proleague tear last season with victories against KaL, Bisu, HiyA, fOrGG, BaBy, and BeSt.

It was my mistake saying he faced FlaSh. I confused FlaSh and fOrGG. My bad.
RIP Aaliyah
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