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On July 01 2013 11:26 edgeOut wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:23 HolyArrow wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.
I never wanted this "war". Kespa fans like to claim moral equivalency in the sense that both sides are opportunistically mud-slinging whenever the chance arises, but the very presence of this article is proof that the BW elitist side soured the Kespa switch and pissed people off in the first place. If we didn't have an outpouring of BW elitists gloating in the first tournament that featured Kespa vs eSF and pissing everyone off, all in the shadow of this article, then things wouldn't be this bad IMO. Come on, why is this bad? This fight is what made this scene feels like real sports, this article is probably the biggest contributor to TL in many years.
It certainly has made Polt winning way more fun.
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On July 01 2013 11:22 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:20 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:18 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:12 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:09 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.
Talk to me about the elephant losing at an NA event to a college student and a grump Swede. Just like biggest eSF prodigy Life losing to lower tier foreigners Sjow, shit happens. Life, I remember him. Didn't he beat some top teir korean terran? I can't remember. Oh yeah. Sjow > Flash!!!!!!! Yeah, Foreigners are so good. They can enjoy that rare win for their whole life. Korean fanboys are good, at losing the worst. What does "losing the worst" mean? i hazard a guess at him meaning that korean fanboys are the most sore losers? but he worded it quite badly
Understandable, I mean, they win so much they probably forgot what losing felt like
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This is what Mvp thinks of all you dorks arguing this article
![[image loading]](http://fireden.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/mvp-smile.gif)
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On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QXWPv.jpg)
Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO.
All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size.
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On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size.
I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf
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On July 01 2013 11:29 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:22 opterown wrote:On July 01 2013 11:20 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:18 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:12 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:09 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.
Talk to me about the elephant losing at an NA event to a college student and a grump Swede. Just like biggest eSF prodigy Life losing to lower tier foreigners Sjow, shit happens. Life, I remember him. Didn't he beat some top teir korean terran? I can't remember. Oh yeah. Sjow > Flash!!!!!!! Yeah, Foreigners are so good. They can enjoy that rare win for their whole life. Korean fanboys are good, at losing the worst. What does "losing the worst" mean? i hazard a guess at him meaning that korean fanboys are the most sore losers? but he worded it quite badly Understandable, I mean, they win so much they probably forgot what losing felt like
I heard they get put to Kespa Jail when they lose
They get locked in a cell with TurN
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a person shared his/her views and people got too butthurt about it. get over it people, enjoy the competition. or don't. up to you but it's silly to cry and whine about such things :/
edit: changed reference to intrigue for possibility of being female.
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On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size.
I know, that is it. He need to acomplish something before anyone can call him good. He needs to take at least 5 games off Innovation.
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On July 01 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:29 Whatson wrote:On July 01 2013 11:22 opterown wrote:On July 01 2013 11:20 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:18 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:12 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:09 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 edgeOut wrote:
Hypocrites hate the war when their side are losing, and they cling that rare chance to love the war when their side are winning.
Talk to me about the elephant losing at an NA event to a college student and a grump Swede. Just like biggest eSF prodigy Life losing to lower tier foreigners Sjow, shit happens. Life, I remember him. Didn't he beat some top teir korean terran? I can't remember. Oh yeah. Sjow > Flash!!!!!!! Yeah, Foreigners are so good. They can enjoy that rare win for their whole life. Korean fanboys are good, at losing the worst. What does "losing the worst" mean? i hazard a guess at him meaning that korean fanboys are the most sore losers? but he worded it quite badly Understandable, I mean, they win so much they probably forgot what losing felt like I heard they get put to Kespa Jail when they lose They get locked in a cell with TurN
who all is in kespa jail now? Turn, Stork, Dear, Stats, soO... ?
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On July 01 2013 11:30 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size. I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf
Flash lost to Fly and sOs lost to Sen in AIMAG before their retarded rules fucked over the Chinese
Obviously China > Korea in the most prestigious tournament ever
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On July 01 2013 11:30 theMagus wrote:
a dude shared his views and people got too butthurt about it. get over it people, enjoy the competition. or don't. up to you but it's silly to cry and whine about such things :/
i thought intrigue was female
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On July 01 2013 11:30 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size. I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf
But Life lost to Sjow! Therefore Foreigners > ESF > KESPA
Oh wait foreigners are shit...
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On July 01 2013 11:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:30 theMagus wrote:
a dude shared his views and people got too butthurt about it. get over it people, enjoy the competition. or don't. up to you but it's silly to cry and whine about such things :/ i thought intrigue was female
The plot thickens!
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On July 01 2013 11:31 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:30 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:29 Whatson wrote:On July 01 2013 11:22 opterown wrote:On July 01 2013 11:20 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:18 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:17 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:15 Plansix wrote:On July 01 2013 11:12 edgeOut wrote:On July 01 2013 11:09 Plansix wrote:
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Talk to me about the elephant losing at an NA event to a college student and a grump Swede. Just like biggest eSF prodigy Life losing to lower tier foreigners Sjow, shit happens. Life, I remember him. Didn't he beat some top teir korean terran? I can't remember. Oh yeah. Sjow > Flash!!!!!!! Yeah, Foreigners are so good. They can enjoy that rare win for their whole life. Korean fanboys are good, at losing the worst. What does "losing the worst" mean? i hazard a guess at him meaning that korean fanboys are the most sore losers? but he worded it quite badly Understandable, I mean, they win so much they probably forgot what losing felt like I heard they get put to Kespa Jail when they lose They get locked in a cell with TurN who all is in kespa jail now? Turn, Stork, Dear, Stats, soO... ?
Stephano used to be in Kespa Jail but they let him out because he promised to retire and never return to Korea
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On July 01 2013 11:32 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:30 bo1b wrote:On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size. I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf But Life lost to Sjow! Therefore Foreigners > ESF > KESPA Oh wait foreigners are shit...
Nani'wa is Korean after all.
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On July 01 2013 11:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:32 Whatson wrote:On July 01 2013 11:30 bo1b wrote:On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size. I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf But Life lost to Sjow! Therefore Foreigners > ESF > KESPA Oh wait foreigners are shit... Nani'wa is Korean after all.
He won this past MLG then, right, over all those middle/top tier koreans?
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On July 01 2013 11:30 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size. I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf
I still dont like the whole Kespa/esf references.
eSF refers to Startale, LG-IM, MVP, Prime, NsHoseo and (Axiom??)
Azubu is their only little thing, EG-TL is their own little thing and so is Quantic
Kespa is just a big governing body and nothing much more than that
Why cant we just call them GSTL/SPL players so we can include everyone :<...
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On July 01 2013 11:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:30 theMagus wrote:
a dude shared his views and people got too butthurt about it. get over it people, enjoy the competition. or don't. up to you but it's silly to cry and whine about such things :/ i thought intrigue was female
rofl really? never knew. that's interesting.
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On July 01 2013 11:32 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:30 theMagus wrote:
a dude shared his views and people got too butthurt about it. get over it people, enjoy the competition. or don't. up to you but it's silly to cry and whine about such things :/ i thought intrigue was female
no wonder that all of it made no sense!
I-I go into the corner and be ashamed of myself...
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On July 01 2013 11:34 LighT. wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:30 bo1b wrote:On July 01 2013 11:29 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:26 lichter wrote:On July 01 2013 11:24 LighT. wrote:On July 01 2013 11:05 Tanzklaue wrote:On July 01 2013 10:56 SoFrOsTy wrote:
There weren't a lot of good Kespa players at MLG. Hyun was Kespa literally until he switched to SC 2. But Flash wasn't there, CJHero wasn't there, Parting, Rain, Bisu, Jangbi, Stork, Fantasy, Hyvaa, Innovation, S2, True, Cure, Jaehoon, Terminator, Baby, Zest, sOs, Free, or Soulkey... sooo This not relevant to elephant actually, it is very relevant, because the article said even lesser kespa players would crush the competition. what happened in the end was that the kespa players here got beaten up by foreigners and koreans that don't even really affiliate with eSF, or easier said: people that are not mainly competing in korea. add to that that most of the kespa pros are not really better than the good eSF players. It is very true that the portion about "any SPL player immediately dominating the competition" has been proven false. You'd have to be a moron to still be arguing that. What is true is that the top-tier of SPL crop are a level above the rest of the competition Perhaps I'm a homer but Innovation, Soulkey, Flash, Rain..I firmly believe they're a level above anyone in GSTL that isnt named Life, and Life's been struggling lately (but small sample size). Mvp This thread is now about Mvp Too small of a sample size to say anything about Mvp, IMO. All he's done is 2 games off of Innovation, which is pretty nice but...too small of a sample size. I hurd flash and sos lost just recently... huehuehuehuehue, kespa << foreigners < esf I still dont like the whole Kespa/esf references. eSF refers to Startale, LG-IM, MVP, Prime, NsHoseo and (Axiom??) Azubu is their only little thing, EG-TL is their own little thing and so is Quantic Kespa is just a big governing body and nothing much more than that Why cant we just call them GSTL/SPL players so we can include everyone :<...
I dunno I just consider them all players of their respective teams
Of which IM and Woongjin are the best
Startale are assholes
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