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DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-10 23:37:43
March 10 2010 11:34 GMT
#101
On March 07 2010 10:50 DracoVolantus wrote:
1. He lost one LATE game, not ONE game in last 36 TvZ

On March 09 2010 13:47 Alethios wrote:
What does this mean?

Gosh. That he was in DECENT position, and there was only one game vs zerg
that lasted longer than 15 minutes which flash lost during more than the half year period.
And I'll add here that You should not place terran bonjwas and zerg bonjwa together, hm.

On March 09 2010 13:47 Alethios wrote:
You didn't say anything about only taking the most recent 71 games. Also, why 71? Seems a rather arbitrary number chosen specifically to create the highest possible win percentage.

It is since flash became bonjwa not since he was 15 year old shaking with fear kid, or wasted reflexes grandpa, that was what for we both were pointing out that lifetime record doesnt say anything, so Wtf? O_o

On March 09 2010 13:47 Alethios wrote:
It's paragraphs like this that really tell me you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't understand what I was saying in my article.

Put simply, bonjwa's dominated by being on a different level of competition to those around them. Flash and Jaedong consistently win by (generally) executing things perfectly on a consistent basis.

Your protestations about Flash's high win percentage and "loosing many m&m's on purpose" are immaterial, and do nothing to advance the crux of your argument. Your argument is that "Flash dominates the scene in every single bit similiar way to how Iloveoov was dominating it". Demonstrate this to be the case, or find something else to occupy your time.


Goddamnit, I don't have time for full response, so I'll try to make it short. At the very begining of Starcraft, there were few workers, and they were making building and units and fight each other, and that was what we saw on the screen, amazingly microed wins that were the road to walk on for many years, but then the game started to grow and new macro-orientated tactics emerged, from 3-hatch before spawning pool to 14 cc, and since like year, when flash or jaedong are playing we no longer see workers, buildings or units but pure spirits clashing their mental blades.


Hope that helps xD

P.S. Fischer was bonjwa.
P.S. 2 You are so sure it wasn't just streak of bad form for july that
one hundred milion games won vs Zerg by oov You bastard, aren't You? xDl
EX CATHEDRA!
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
March 15 2010 06:14 GMT
#102
wow, nice article.

I agree that there will be no longer any bonwjas, because the level of play has risen sooooo quick that all it comes down is to sheer mechanincs because mind haves are almost all set
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ionize
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Ireland399 Posts
March 16 2010 17:52 GMT
#103
Ah very nice article. for a good read. I see the same kind of change in a game like UT. Back in the days of GiTzZz` he was considered the pinnacle of skill, nowadays most top players would steamroll him.
I just love video games, what's your excuse?
endGame
Profile Joined June 2009
United States394 Posts
March 20 2010 08:59 GMT
#104
Brilliant. The end of the article is so charged and moving. /applause
"...As the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must." -Thucydides
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-21 09:11:55
March 20 2010 21:50 GMT
#105
Does not Hacker Terran term seems similiar to Cheater Terran to you Alethios?
apart from monster macro instead of monster terran?

and I would call it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/109_Light[aLive]/games
something similiar to course.
EX CATHEDRA!
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 22 2010 01:59 GMT
#106
On March 21 2010 06:50 DracoVolantus wrote:
Does not Hacker Terran term seems similiar to Cheater Terran to you Alethios?
apart from monster macro instead of monster terran?

and I would call it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/109_Light[aLive]/games
something similiar to course.

I'm fully in agreement with you that there are many parallels between iloveoov and flash. At the same time, as I explained in the article, I feel the way each player stacked up impressive winstreaks is very different.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
aznboi918
Profile Joined February 2010
United States70 Posts
March 23 2010 22:34 GMT
#107
Awesome article!!!!!! TT so moving. Let's just hope SC2 can become just as great as SC1 :D!!!!
"I want to share my bloody tears with those who cry because the road they chose was too difficult, or those that gave up their dreams to take the road that was a little easier." (Lim Yo Hwan)
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-25 17:29:48
March 25 2010 17:26 GMT
#108
ok, let's leave differences and similarities, though there are plenty of both

You really think all progamers will move on to sc2
along with all sponsors and leagues, and sc will die?

To me it's unimaginable. It will not be a slow process neither. It just won't happen.

Here and now I state as fallows:

1. Neither Jeadong, nor Flash, nor Stork will ever play sc2 on pro scene.
There are many reasons to it and first is no or lower money for playing sc2.

2. It will take few years before progaming, even worldwide in sc2 will achieve
level of sc in korea at present, but personally I think it will never happen.

Goodnight and good luck.

PS

sorry for building of sentences, in my language it all makes sense :D
EX CATHEDRA!
NurseArial
Profile Joined March 2010
Belarus109 Posts
March 26 2010 07:15 GMT
#109
On February 28 2010 21:58 Alethios wrote:
Well for starters here is iloveoov:
[image loading]

Not to mention his 27-0 TvZ streak.

I'd say thats pretty untouchable as things go.


Flash's overall record is better and his TvT streak came very close. I don't see why you're using this photo to demonstrate oov's superior dominance when Flash's record surpasses this.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 27 2010 01:07 GMT
#110
On March 26 2010 16:15 NurseArial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2010 21:58 Alethios wrote:
Well for starters here is iloveoov:
[image loading]

Not to mention his 27-0 TvZ streak.

I'd say thats pretty untouchable as things go.


Flash's overall record is better and his TvT streak came very close. I don't see why you're using this photo to demonstrate oov's superior dominance when Flash's record surpasses this.

I posted the photo in response to a claim that the bonjwa's of the past were not as untouchable as people like to think. I think the photo addresses this claim well, iloveoov was pretty untouchable in his prime.

Now, nowhere have I claimed that oov's dominance was superior to Flash. I refer you to my article:

Despite their indisputable domination of the Broodwar scene, you can see now that those at the top of Power Rank these days are not ‘bonjwas’. The time of the bonjwa, at least as TeamLiquid has defined the word, has come and gone. Call those who remain what you will; they are something different, something more.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
May 12 2010 17:03 GMT
#111
Wow, this is a great article.

Lots of research and thinking AND very well written.

Thanks & Bump
Brood War is forever
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
May 16 2010 17:10 GMT
#112
very LONG but very good read, have to say i read all of it and found it very well put. GJ very informative.
WELCOME TO THE PARTY
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
May 16 2010 20:35 GMT
#113
Saw this a while back when I was a lurker, and didn't read it.
Now I have (thanks to the earlier bump), and I can say that it was definitely not a waste of time.
It was a good read.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
May 17 2010 00:39 GMT
#114
this was an amazing article, and a great way to procrastinate on my homework
XFire
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States131 Posts
May 18 2010 04:23 GMT
#115
I wish that SC2's success didn't have to mean the inevitable decay of the Broodwar scene, but times change, and this really put it all in perspective for me. Great article though...
kingsoft
Profile Joined May 2010
1 Post
May 23 2010 18:17 GMT
#116
On February 22 2010 11:12 Alethios wrote:
On that day, spare a thought for Broodwar; Its edges smoothed, having attained grace and precision in its execution, only becoming all the more beautiful for it. Broodwar will be cut down in its prime.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
May 23 2010 23:28 GMT
#117
Hey thanks guys. I appreciate the kind words.

Glad you enjoyed the read.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
May 24 2010 13:09 GMT
#118
Now, the title of this article has a new meaning

I will keep stupid SaviOr poster next to Fischer on my wall though.

You heard about oov 90 years of progaming Alethios? He ment starcraft: brood war.
All of them ment. Man. I am so upset right now. Will there be a sponsor to next ??? MSL?
EX CATHEDRA!
EndlessThirst
Profile Joined June 2010
United States16 Posts
June 21 2010 06:06 GMT
#119
Very interesting read, well worth the time
wut wud Mel Gibson do?
thaithanhthuy
Profile Joined June 2010
Vietnam4 Posts
June 30 2010 18:40 GMT
#120
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