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Felicitous
Profile Joined April 2010
United States20 Posts
July 11 2010 05:48 GMT
#121
Beautifully written. And a most interesting viewpoint, taken from evolutionary biology. The average gets better, so the greats appear to get worse.

Wonderful read.
DemiSe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
883 Posts
July 21 2010 03:41 GMT
#122
One of the best articles I've read, forever!
This article is so well written and well executed.
Despite their indisputable domination of the Broodwar scene, you can see now that those at the top of Power Rank these days are not ‘bonjwas’. The time of the bonjwa, at least as TeamLiquid has defined the word, has come and gone. Call those who remain what you will; they are something different, something more.

Love that piece of text.
Let's See Who's Stronger, Your Tricks, Or My Skills.
Stabbe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden39 Posts
September 07 2010 17:55 GMT
#123
This article is probably quite old since I am fairly new to TL.net but I just had to commend the well written article
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-07 01:10:43
October 07 2010 01:10 GMT
#124
Just thought i'd clarify a few things for those of you who may not have been around when I wrote this.

Firstly, with regards to "(Z)Shine being a case in point [in being able to take a game off of anybody]", what i'm referring to is Shine's EVER 2009 OSL run. Which involved what many considered to be inferior player, taking out the likes of Bisu, Effort, Fantasy and Stork before losing to Movie 1-3 in the semi finals.

Secondly, with the subsequent match-fixing revelations regarding a certain Zerg... please take it as read that all mention of his achievements, 'greatness' and fanbase has been preserved purely for historical purposes

I'm glad people are still enjoying reading it, despite being a tad dated now.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
Zerkaszhan
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada120 Posts
February 05 2011 03:58 GMT
#125
This is like being hit with a cold splash of water
Such a well written article
Flash on liquidpedia is considered a Bonjwa but it just seems like he could go back and destroy all of those Bonjwa's back in their prime but he doesn't have the same presence

saVioR the name gives you chills
BoXeR
etc etc

Not the same when you say flash
here comes the swarm
the0famine
Profile Joined March 2009
Romania22 Posts
February 26 2011 23:48 GMT
#126
Absolutely exceptional article and masterfully written. Your comparisons are conclusions are spot on. This is the best article i have ever read on TL. Once again, congratulations for this little jewel.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 15 2011 09:49 GMT
#127
funny to read this now that flash is still tearing it up (even though he dropped last season he still got the double finals win in between then and now), bisus made a remergence, jaedong is in a mini slump and hydra came from nowhere.

and also sc2 has been out for half a year but i still prefer watching bw
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
just lucky
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines16 Posts
March 22 2011 13:30 GMT
#128
Great write up. I do not know much about cricket but I think I understand your message. Your observation about the evolution of level of gameplay were quite good. I think that the replay was a double edge sword that hastened the growth of competition. Some players were thoroughly researched for their tendencies and the opposing team will send a sniper specifically trained to counter him(or her if the case maybe).
This was no time for play. This no time for fun. This was no time for games. There was work to be done.
VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
March 28 2011 00:18 GMT
#129
Your data on the evolution of level of game play (in all sports) is fantastic, this is incredibly well written and laid out, you had so many good pieces of text I do not want to fill up a huge post with them so I’ll just say great job excellent read and so worth the time.
One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
December 20 2011 03:47 GMT
#130
In need of a bump. Always worth reading again!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
December 20 2011 04:05 GMT
#131
I could be wrong, but doesn't a bump here only put it to the top of the 'featured threads' list? As far as i'm aware, that forum is no longer linked anywhere except the full forum list page.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-22 09:19:14
December 22 2011 09:17 GMT
#132
On December 20 2011 13:05 Alethios wrote:
I could be wrong, but doesn't a bump here only put it to the top of the 'featured threads' list? As far as i'm aware, that forum is no longer linked anywhere except the full forum list page.

Occasionally new people to the BW scene, like me, will look at these Final Edits. This is definitely a good one. Makes me wonder if BW will ever see another bonjwa considering the skill level of many players is so damn high. It also makes me wonder if SC2 will even have a single bonjwa to call its own.
I'm a noob
Falconblade
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1035 Posts
January 05 2012 19:22 GMT
#133
Great article!

And you used cricket too! That's brilliant! Its my favorite sport, and that's the thing I love about the SC2 community, its worldwide so people actually recognize cricket (I'm in America and a huge England fan)
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5488 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-22 09:50:53
January 22 2014 09:50 GMT
#134
Such an amazing article, worth reading in 2014!

Although I kind of find it funny that just after this article got published FlaSh went into the most dominant period of any SC:BW player ever.

Record: 295 wins - 100 losses (74.68%) 2009-01-01 to 2012-01-01

or

Record: 309 wins - 103 losses (75.00%) 2009-01-01 to 2012-04-01 Just to make it look nice. - 40 months.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2215 Posts
August 17 2021 13:21 GMT
#135
On January 22 2014 18:50 thezanursic wrote:
Such an amazing article, worth reading in 2014!

Although I kind of find it funny that just after this article got published FlaSh went into the most dominant period of any SC:BW player ever.

Record: 295 wins - 100 losses (74.68%) 2009-01-01 to 2012-01-01

or

Record: 309 wins - 103 losses (75.00%) 2009-01-01 to 2012-04-01 Just to make it look nice. - 40 months.


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