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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
February 24 2010 14:23 GMT
#81
Anyone who doesn't get goosebumps from reading this is heartless.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
FakeKisser
Profile Joined September 2008
United States159 Posts
February 24 2010 15:22 GMT
#82
Good stuff. I agree that the answer simply lies in the way the sport has been "figured out" to a degree that many players can practice their technical skills and succeed to some degree.

I believe SC2 will be able to pick up where Brood War left off. I have not played it yet, myself, but the reports I hear all say that you can tell it is still StarCraft. That is what will keep the sport alive.
"Every generation needs a revolution" - Thomas Jefferson
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 15:41:50
February 24 2010 15:35 GMT
#83
Awesome article, and I immediately knew which article by Gould you were referencing (the disappearance of the .400 hitter) and later he had an entire book on the subject.

It (Gould's idea) is a really cool idea that should have gotten a lot more attention and explains a great deal of competitive phenomena (early experimentation, later standardization).
I will eat you alive
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-24 17:37:28
February 24 2010 17:34 GMT
#84
On February 25 2010 00:35 FieryBalrog wrote:
Awesome article, and I immediately knew which article by Gould you were referencing (the disappearance of the .400 hitter) and later he had an entire book on the subject.

It (Gould's idea) is a really cool idea that should have gotten a lot more attention and explains a great deal of competitive phenomena (early experimentation, later standardization).

Thanks. Yeah i'm a real fan of Gould, I don't think he got half the credit he deserved for his contribution to science and public understanding.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14911 Posts
February 24 2010 23:13 GMT
#85
interesting take, thanks
Jazriel
Profile Joined April 2008
Canada404 Posts
February 25 2010 06:42 GMT
#86
I enjoyed reading this.
#1 LoL player
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
February 25 2010 18:17 GMT
#87
This is a great article. I hope we all take time to remember the Bonjwas; those that made BW great. It is very ironic that BW's success was its own undoing.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
February 26 2010 01:42 GMT
#88
Nice read. Agree completely. I always considered this to be the reason why Boxer and friends were privileged enough to wear the bonjwa title, whilst better players of the game such as Bisu, JD and Flash were not so fortunate. It is much harder to stand out these days because the level of play has risen so much.

Thanks for the effort.
Faronel
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States658 Posts
February 26 2010 03:45 GMT
#89
Very nice writing. Beautiful analogies.
C'est la vie...
Iheartjaedong
Profile Joined June 2009
Korea (South)12 Posts
February 26 2010 04:44 GMT
#90
"The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live." -Norman Cousins quote

Nice writing.
I'm in Korea!
grax
Profile Joined June 2009
United States41 Posts
February 26 2010 12:49 GMT
#91
This article is bunk. The 'bonjwas' of the past were not as untouchable as people (including the author) like to pretend.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
February 28 2010 12:58 GMT
#92
Well for starters here is iloveoov:
[image loading]

Not to mention his 27-0 TvZ streak.

I'd say thats pretty untouchable as things go.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
heynes
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany201 Posts
February 28 2010 17:07 GMT
#93
On February 22 2010 20:47 Insight wrote:
SC2 will never match Brood War as far as level of play required to be on top in my opinion, but it will make them more money which is sadly what this is all about



In my Opinion people will of course play SC2 when it comes out, but its new and shiney and stuff. But as the game progresses and people get used to the graphics, and are more focusing on the gameplay and units, they will miss sc:bw. I mean watching Jangi doing perfect storms and epic reaver micro is unique. The feeling u have when watching the workers run away from that single stupid scarab, the tension, i havent had any of it watching sc2 streams, and i watched a lot of streams. But this is just me! Yesterday i watch the epic stork vs jaedong ace match from the winnersleague with a friend. that game is crazy it´s 10 min setting up and 30 min pure battles.
And while i was like omg this game is so epic. he couldn´t get the epicness out of it. i was like -.-
It´s so sad seeing no truely great games coming out nowadays.I will keep playing sc:bw and jagged alliance 2 1.13, not because my pc can´t run the newer graphic focused games, but because the games themself are the best , in terms of long time play. New games suck because they want u to have fun, either you are winning or loosing.


to sum it up. You are totally right man !
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
March 01 2010 03:42 GMT
#94
I thought this is about Wax Angel!! BOO!
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 01 2010 20:28 GMT
#95
On March 01 2010 12:42 evanthebouncy! wrote:
I thought this is about Wax Angel!! BOO!

Lol i've had a couple of other people say the same thing to me recently!

Sorry for the inconvénience!
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
March 04 2010 21:15 GMT
#96
On February 28 2010 21:58 Alethios wrote:
Well for starters here is iloveoov:
[image loading]

Not to mention his 27-0 TvZ streak.

I'd say thats pretty untouchable as things go.



Let's take any of recent good terran players [sarcasm ;]]

Flash. Most recent stats,

Record: 58 wins - 13 losses (81.69%)

not to mention power outage while FLASH WAS IN DECENT POSITION,
NOT ONLY IN DECENT POSITION, IN LAST 36(!) GAMES AGAINST ZERG
HE LOST ONE LATE GAME AND IT WAS AGAINST HYUN CHEESE
(or well prepared counter-build, hm)

where is Your god now?

(first time in my life i wrote it public, I feel sooo much better o_O)

greets
EX CATHEDRA!
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
March 07 2010 00:26 GMT
#97
On March 05 2010 06:15 DracoVolantus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2010 21:58 Alethios wrote:
Well for starters here is iloveoov:
[image loading]

Not to mention his 27-0 TvZ streak.

I'd say thats pretty untouchable as things go.



Let's take any of recent good terran players [sarcasm ;]]

Flash. Most recent stats,

Record: 58 wins - 13 losses (81.69%)

not to mention power outage while FLASH WAS IN DECENT POSITION,
NOT ONLY IN DECENT POSITION, IN LAST 36(!) GAMES AGAINST ZERG
HE LOST ONE LATE GAME AND IT WAS AGAINST HYUN CHEESE
(or well prepared counter-build, hm)

where is Your god now?

(first time in my life i wrote it public, I feel sooo much better o_O)

greets

First off, what is your point exactly?

Secondly, where are you getting this statistics from? TLPD shows Flash has lost to Jaedong, Calm, Kwanro and Zero since losing to Hyun. Even discounting the power outage incident, which is generally accepted to be a Flash loss (albeit a crappy one). Flash's lifetime record is 69.32%, not 81.69% as you claim.

Thirdly, did you read the article? Even if Flash was dominating as much as oov was, it wouldn't change anything. The way iloveoov dominated people and the way Flash dominates now are completely different.

Lastly, try to put a little more effort into your posting. I had to read your post over thrice before I understood what you were saying.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
March 07 2010 01:50 GMT
#98
On March 07 2010 09:26 Alethios wrote:
First off, what is your point exactly?

That Flash is every single bit similiar bonjwa as oov, boxer or nada was.

On March 07 2010 09:26 Alethios wrote:
Secondly, where are you getting this statistics from? TLPD shows Flash has lost to Jaedong, Calm, Kwanro and Zero since losing to Hyun. Even discounting the power outage incident, which is generally accepted to be a Flash loss (albeit a crappy one). Flash's lifetime record is 69.32%, not 81.69% as you claim.

1. He lost one LATE game, not ONE game in last 36 TvZ
2. Iloveoov lifetime record is 61.29%, but who cares?
I just took record from (as I wrote) MOST RECENT 71 games.

Sorry for capital letters before, hope You won't have to read this one post so many times ;]

On March 07 2010 09:26 Alethios wrote:
Thirdly, did you read the article? Even if Flash was dominating as much as oov was, it wouldn't change anything. The way iloveoov dominated people and the way Flash dominates now are completely different.

The thing is I think, that Flash is dominating the scene in every single bit similiar way to how Iloveoov was dominating it, but I have to admit that I didn't see all oov games, and I know I could be wrong in the very same way that people who didn't see last 36 FvZ games, and didn't expect Flash smashing Jaedong's into pieces in ace match, after loosing many m&m's on purpose in order to explain that HE WAS IN DECENT POSITION. not winning. de-cent. and I took this word from interview with him, not out of thin air.

Lastly, about comparison:

One lost in Bo5, and lost in ace match are not same things.

Game ending after early harassment and breaking through
many windows of opportunities for both races are not the same.

Lifetime record doesn't say anything about anybody, never, nowhere O_o

(last sentence sounds better in my primary language, hm)

cheers
EX CATHEDRA!
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-09 04:57:15
March 09 2010 04:47 GMT
#99
*sigh*
On March 07 2010 10:50 DracoVolantus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2010 09:26 Alethios wrote:
Secondly, where are you getting this statistics from? TLPD shows Flash has lost to Jaedong, Calm, Kwanro and Zero since losing to Hyun. Even discounting the power outage incident, which is generally accepted to be a Flash loss (albeit a crappy one). Flash's lifetime record is 69.32%, not 81.69% as you claim.

1. He lost one LATE game, not ONE game in last 36 TvZ

What does this mean?

On March 07 2010 10:50 DracoVolantus wrote:
2. Iloveoov lifetime record is 61.29%, but who cares?

Indeed, who cares? If we're talking about the period when each player is considered a 'bonjwa', then a lifetime record is useless. Oov carried on for a long while after losing his aura of invincibility.

On March 07 2010 10:50 DracoVolantus wrote:
I just took record from (as I wrote) MOST RECENT 71 games.

You didn't say anything about only taking the most recent 71 games. Also, why 71? Seems a rather arbitrary number chosen specifically to create the highest possible win percentage.

On March 07 2010 10:50 DracoVolantus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2010 09:26 Alethios wrote:
Thirdly, did you read the article? Even if Flash was dominating as much as oov was, it wouldn't change anything. The way iloveoov dominated people and the way Flash dominates now are completely different.

The thing is I think, that Flash is dominating the scene in every single bit similiar way to how Iloveoov was dominating it, but I have to admit that I didn't see all oov games, and I know I could be wrong in the very same way that people who didn't see last 36 FvZ games, and didn't expect Flash smashing Jaedong's into pieces in ace match, after loosing many m&m's on purpose in order to explain that HE WAS IN DECENT POSITION. not winning. de-cent. and I took this word from interview with him, not out of thin air.

It's paragraphs like this that really tell me you have no idea what you're talking about and didn't understand what I was saying in my article.

Put simply, bonjwa's dominated by being on a different level of competition to those around them. Flash and Jaedong consistently win by (generally) executing things perfectly on a consistent basis.

Your protestations about Flash's high win percentage and "loosing many m&m's on purpose" are immaterial, and do nothing to advance the crux of your argument. Your argument is that "Flash dominates the scene in every single bit similiar way to how Iloveoov was dominating it". Demonstrate this to be the case, or find something else to occupy your time.
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
March 09 2010 18:55 GMT
#100
I think he chose 71 games because that's the amount of games in that oov screenshot you posted. (Actually I get it to 73, but maybe him or I miscalculated it.)
Actually that is pretty amazing, I have seen that screenshot so many times and I could never imagine that one day someone would be able to do even better.

Great, great, article the amount of effort people pour into this site is nothing short of amazing.
Makes me sad that it is all going to be directed at some game I have no real interest in soon enough.
Many thanks for doing this writing this.
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