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[Article] Hwasin/Iris Predictions

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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 16:03:26
February 23 2007 13:58 GMT
#1
Initial Source: [BOyGiRl]ShaRp

Link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50180

I know Sharp has already skimmed this article, but I just cleaned it up and wrote more word-for-word for the people who wanted it in his post. If anything, he should be credited more for it.


[SHINHAN BANK SEASON 3] “If the 5th game is played, Savior will succeed.”
CJEntus’s Iris (Byun Hyung Tae), STXSoul’s Hwasin (Jin Young Soo) make a prediction on the maps for the OSL Finals.

Along Savior’s (Ma Jae Yoon) “glorious road”, rising to both Finals (of OSL and MSL), are the tears of two Terran users. These two are STX’s Hwasin and Savior’s own teammate: Iris[gm]. We have listened to the map predictions of the two terran gamers who have most recently experienced being in the hands of Savior.

◆Game 1: Longinus 2
No matter how many times Savior breaks the balance of a map and has increased the percentage of victory on Longinus 2, the confidence of Terran users on Longinus 2 is still intact. Hwasin and Iris both predicted that NaDa would have the slight advantage towards victory in Game 1.

Hwasin predicts that Savior will utilize extreme builds such as a 9-drone or 3-hatchery strategy. As long as NaDa does not fall into Savior’s game-pace, Hwasin predicts a win for NaDa.

On the other hand, Iris has said that early-game tactics will determine the outcome of the game. If NaDa does not fall behind in the early-game strategy, then the balance of the game will tilt slightly in NaDa’s favor.


◆Game 2: Neo Arkanoid
For as much confidence as these two players hold on Longinus 2, they hold the same amount of dread for Neo Arkanoid. Both terran players stated that, “Neo Arkanoid is a map where zerg has a distinct advantage.”

Hwasin: “Unless a large variable (in early game tactics) is not created, Savior will easily win on this map, as we saw during the eSports 3rd SuperFight. Given Savior’s skill and keeping in mind his victory (against NaDa in SuperFight 3) after having early difficulties, an easy win is predicted for Savior.

Iris also stated that “If NaDa does not have a trick prepared; it will be hard for him.” The design of this map allows zerg players to play defensively and still be at an advantage and maintain it throughout the game and will favor a victory for Savior.


◆Game 3: Reverse Temple
Reverse Temple is a map where Terrans, “no matter what they do will be adequate.” Along the same lines, the players predict that NaDa will easily take the 3rd game’s victory.

Hwasin predicts that if the game extends beyond mid-game, then NaDa would win. Reverse Temple is just that good of a map for Terran users.

Iris also came to the same conclusion. No matter what starting position the Terran is at, Terran is favored and Savior will have a hard time on this map.


◆Game 4: Hitchhiker
Hitchhiker is a map which Terran users fear. Both Hwasin and Iris both forecast that Savior would win on this map.

Once Zerg has reached Hive-tech, it is hard for Terran users to do anything. Both players think that NaDa, in order to win, will come prepared with an early-game tactic which will finish the game quickly. Both players tipped that if Terran executes a basic build order while expanding to the natural, it would result in a loss.

Both players together predicted that, ultimately, they have predicted the victory/loss outcome. Where spirit and skill both are at their peak for both players, the possibility of victory or defeat is only separated by a tiny variable/element.

Hwasin stated: “If NaDa wants to be victorious, a 3-0 shutout must be achieved, otherwise Savior will be the favorite to win if the final series is extended to the 5th and final game.

Iris: “No matter what element you question or argue, the chance of either player winning is about 50/50. If Game 1 and 5 is played on Longinus (assuming it will extend to the 5th game), Savior will have the slight upper-hand to emerge victorious.


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[Disclaimer] I realize that I may word things a little differently than what it actually says in Korean... so hold back on complaints, since I did it for ease of reading in English.
We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
February 23 2007 14:03 GMT
#2
nice, thnx
He who turns those around him into allies, possesses the most terrifying ability in the world.
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
February 23 2007 14:14 GMT
#3
thank you.
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
February 23 2007 14:20 GMT
#4
thank you [BOyGiRl]ShaRp !!!

you do so much for the BW community and we always appreciate you work : ]

thx to whatisprotoss as well!
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 14:32:39
February 23 2007 14:31 GMT
#5
The translation I was hoping for. Thanks!

>> Featured Thread please.
There's crashing?
sOnagi[3.33]
Profile Joined November 2006
Korea (South)886 Posts
February 23 2007 14:33 GMT
#6
thanks!
서지훈, XellOs[yG]: the Perfect Terran...이성은, FireBatHero: braQ Terran.
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 14:38:30
February 23 2007 14:35 GMT
#7
I actually thought it was quite amusing that people wanted a better quality translation, when ShaRp was the ORIGINAL tl.net translator and supplier of awesome articles from korean sites.

Thanks for the cleanup anyway,
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
February 23 2007 14:39 GMT
#8
Sorry guys, english is not my first language and I have to admit I sometimes have trouble finding the right words. I try to do my best but sometimes I may not be entirely clear in what I'm trying to say, so anyone is welcome to do what Whatisprotoss did, to make it a better article. Also, its nice to know someone out there appreciates my time and effort spent in translating. Thank you too Day : )
Hexatron Bba!!
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
February 23 2007 14:42 GMT
#9
On February 23 2007 23:35 PanoRaMa wrote:
I actually thought it was quite amusing that people wanted a better quality translation, when ShaRp was the ORIGINAL tl.net translator and supplier of awesome articles from korean sites.

Thanks for the cleanup anyway,


So someone actually remember me eh? : )
Pano, your the one who sent me a PM about Korean music right?
I remember you too hehe
Hexatron Bba!!
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
February 23 2007 14:54 GMT
#10
BoyGirl, you never ever have to apologize for your efforts. You always do a great job
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babozergg
Profile Joined June 2006
Canada52 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-02-23 15:03:18
February 23 2007 15:01 GMT
#11
Sharp, you've always been one of the best contributors of TL imo(Even though you seemed to have a long absence ;p)
I've been reading TL since the beginning and koreans like yourself and uhjoo will never be forgotten for bringing quality korean material to TL.
Thanks again

EDIT : Thanks to WhatIsProtoss too of course!
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
February 23 2007 15:58 GMT
#12
On February 23 2007 23:42 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
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On February 23 2007 23:35 PanoRaMa wrote:
I actually thought it was quite amusing that people wanted a better quality translation, when ShaRp was the ORIGINAL tl.net translator and supplier of awesome articles from korean sites.

Thanks for the cleanup anyway,


So someone actually remember me eh? : )
Pano, your the one who sent me a PM about Korean music right?
I remember you too hehe


Yeah, for that one Sharp song "Geu Raet Jyo" Welcome back
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