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Iris and Hwasin's comments on OSL Finals.

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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
February 22 2007 19:06 GMT
#1
Before any BW finals, commentators always have interviews where they try and predict who will win. But they always do that so those are lame, and I came upon an interview of Iris and Hwasin on who they think will win in the upcoming OSL Finals.

Map 1 - Longinus 2

Yes, Savior is a "balance" breaker and he did bring up Zerg's winning percentage in this map, but nonetheless Terrans are still very confident in Longinus 2.

Hwasin thinks Savior will go with a rather drastic build such as 9 pool or 3 hat. He believes Nada will be the favorite if he keeps up his normal game and remain calm.

Iris thinks the key to the game will be early build orders. He believes if Savior doesn't gain a big advantage early in the game, Nada will win.

Map 2 - Neo Alkanoid (Spelling?)

While these two terran players feel confident about Longinus 2, they feel they are at a disadvantage in Neo Alkanoid.

Hwasin thinks unless Nada pulls some crazy shit to put Savior in a very bad position, Savior will rape Nada. He says looking at how Savior overcame early difficulties in a Neo Alkanoid game in the 3rd Superfight, Savior is the favorite for this map.

Iris also thinks Savior will win unless Nada comes with some unexpected stunt up his sleeve. He says the map is designed to the zerg's favor even if the zerg carries out a defensive game.

Map 3 - Reverse Temple

Both players think that whatever happens, RT is an "okay" map for Terrans. Therefore they predict Nada will take this map with ease.

Hwasin thinks if the game becomes a long one, Nada will win easily. He believes Terrans have the advantage in Reverse Temple.

Iris thinks likewise. He says regardless of starting positions, Terran is the favorite and it would be very hard for Savior to win.

Map 4 - HitchHiker

The two terrans believe Hitchhiker is a difficult map for terrans and Savior will beat Nada on this map.

They say if the zerg is allowed to upgrade to hive units, there is nothing the terran can do to stop his opponent. They believe in order for Nada to win, he must come prepared with an early game strat that will finish the game before Savior can go hive. They think if the terran goes the basic build order and takes nat, Nada will 100% lose.

In all, the two players predict a classic match since both players deserve to be there.

Hwasin says if Nada wants to take home the title, he must shutout Savior 3:0. If the game goes on to the 5th game, he believes Savior will be crowned champion.

Iris believes both players have a 50/50 chance of winning. And if Longinus 2 is played in the first and last match, Savior is the slight favorite.


GG
Hexatron Bba!!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
February 22 2007 19:26 GMT
#2
Has the actual map order not been announced yet?
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
February 22 2007 19:26 GMT
#3
Thx, nice read.
What I don't understand is this:

On February 23 2007 04:06 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
Map 1 - Longinus 2
[...] Iris thinks the key to the game will be early build orders. He believes if Savior doesn't gain a big advantage early in the game, Nada will win.

[...]

Iris believes both players have a 50/50 chance of winning. And if Longinus 2 is played in the first and last match, Savior is the slight favorite.
~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
February 22 2007 19:38 GMT
#4
Iris probably thinks that although at disadvantage, Savior can win at least once on Longinus.
Or maybe he knows something about a strategy we don't know.

Cool interview, nice insights, we'll see if they were right soon :p
[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
February 22 2007 19:43 GMT
#5
On February 23 2007 04:26 Asta wrote:
Thx, nice read.
What I don't understand is this:

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2007 04:06 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
Map 1 - Longinus 2
[...] Iris thinks the key to the game will be early build orders. He believes if Savior doesn't gain a big advantage early in the game, Nada will win.

[...]

Iris believes both players have a 50/50 chance of winning. And if Longinus 2 is played in the first and last match, Savior is the slight favorite.


Sorry mistranslation. "Nada will win" - > "Nada stands a chance"
It's been a while : )
Hexatron Bba!!
ram
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Lithuania602 Posts
February 22 2007 19:56 GMT
#6
thank you very much, sir!
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
February 22 2007 20:03 GMT
#7
long time no see sir!
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
February 22 2007 20:57 GMT
#8
I pretty much agree with them.Except I'm actually worried about longinus cause savior really does win all his games on there lol
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4115 Posts
February 22 2007 21:18 GMT
#9
can someone explain why T>Z on longinus? they have expand with gas, big center for flank and even that expands with the double gas which is like 2 expands in one for the zerg?
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0z
Profile Joined August 2006
Luxembourg877 Posts
February 22 2007 21:33 GMT
#10
On February 23 2007 06:18 M2 wrote:
can someone explain why T>Z on longinus? they have expand with gas, big center for flank and even that expands with the double gas which is like 2 expands in one for the zerg?


I don't have the map here, but from what i;ve seen, i think its the fact that everything is so close on this map is the main problem + the elevation in the centre favours terran.
And if you expand on a double gas base he can either take it down on his way to your main, or you can take his double gas, which is also dangerous.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
February 22 2007 21:34 GMT
#11
Yea I don't really get it either. Maybe longinus 1 was imba but on 2 but when I play tvz on longinus I don't feel like I have any type of advantage. Only difference I notice is that there are 2 gases @ nat and z's only need 3 lurks to stop me from getting it.
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araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
February 22 2007 21:35 GMT
#12
thanks for your time, Sharp!!! great translation!
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IdiotWind
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada321 Posts
February 22 2007 21:36 GMT
#13
They're basically saying what we all know to be true... if saviour gets to hive you lose; maps that allow him to get to hive mean you lose.
http://thelastgosu.blogspot.com/
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
February 23 2007 06:52 GMT
#14
savior doesnt lose on arkanoid.

savior doesnt lose on longinus

savior will 4 pool on RT.

GG.
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exihea
Profile Joined November 2006
United States413 Posts
February 23 2007 06:58 GMT
#15
4 pool cannot beat nada
miyavi
Profile Joined September 2006
Canada245 Posts
February 23 2007 07:15 GMT
#16
how do we know if they're saying all this to psyc nada out lol, what if the strats are opposite to what they are saying
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 23 2007 07:32 GMT
#17
wow, interesting points of view indeed.
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
February 23 2007 07:33 GMT
#18
thanks for translation hmm
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Wasabi
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States3085 Posts
February 23 2007 07:37 GMT
#19
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Sea.18
Profile Joined February 2007
45 Posts
February 23 2007 08:15 GMT
#20
On February 23 2007 16:37 Wasabi wrote:
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On February 23 2007 05:57 [GiTM]-Ace wrote:
I pretty much agree with them.Except I'm actually worried about longinus cause savior really does win all his games on there lol


Nada's game vs. Yarnc was god-like in this map though. Yarnc couldn't do anything but do some pretty aimless attacks. If he can pull that again against Savior I'm pretty sure he will win at least one game in Longinus.


not really, different z players make different decision in games. although fake yellow couldnt do anything doesnt mean savior cant either. game wont progress the same way nether will the decisions be the same. sc isnt just about micro and macro and insane apm. the decision u make in the game outweighs anything. the decision comes first, and thats what dictates what u doing afterwards like micro etc....
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