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On February 16 2007 15:58 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:
IriS is much MUCH better then what he shows in live games, because he is very very nervous. He is like Canata basically :p
except even when nervous like canata, he atleast shows some good results, canata just chokes in 75% of his live games, and the 25% that he plays absolutely stunningly unfortunetly get him nowhere
one thing to note though, almost whenever game went on for more than 10-12 minutes, terrans that played against savior always lost, no matter the advantage they had from the early game, that's just sick
iris looked amazing every match for the first 10 minutes, and looked quite good even after, but savior was just a class above in lategame
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On February 16 2007 15:46 Last Romantic wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan.
First of all. The first thing that SaviOr did after the last match was congrat Iris for such an excellent match.
Second of all. Koreans are humble persons and respect each other. And also does SaviOr.
Third of all. First time I get so shocked by a commentary. You just tried to say SaviOr is a bad person?.
PostData: And if you tried to make fun of such an emotional image. You deserve to be an "anti-fan".
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On February 16 2007 08:46 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Savior is such an arrogant player lol;
"I derserve this title" .. blabla;;
NaDa will crush him like fuck-_- GO TORNADO TERRAN!
My Korean friend said SaviOr is not arrogant, he just seems, because he is very shallow emotionally.
He doesnt smile often and stuff... But once you read his interviews you will notice he gives a lot of credits to his opponent and doesnt bust about his might, only out of honesty.
He often says "I won because I was lucky" and stuff like that.
I hope its right, I like the good guys better =)
I be cheering for NaDa though lol ^^
Id love for SaviOr to win his MSL once again
but OSL is NaDa's :p
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If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan.
Jesus christ. Go back to the the emo-hole.
We already have hundreds of terran icons. It's nice to have a zerg finally dominating the whole stage for once.
Iris played great, but seriously, there are too many boring mediocre emo-terrans already (ie iris, midas, goodfriend). ZvT is so much more interesting than TvT. It's even more interesting to have a zerg owning up terrans on maps where terrans clearly have an advantage too.
It really feels like some of the extremly regular posters think they have to disagree with the mainstream just because they want to feel special. "Ok now savior is best and most popular, I have to cheers for anyone but him".
Just stop it please, it's embarasing.
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NO, terran must dominate forever
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On February 16 2007 17:27 sC.lover wrote:
NO, terran must dominate forever
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Um.. fuck you all.
Bring back Protoss Domination. You youngins must not remember -_-;;
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On February 16 2007 17:25 joeki wrote:Show nested quote +If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan. Jesus christ. Go back to the the emo-hole. We already have hundreds of terran icons. It's nice to have a zerg finally dominating the whole stage for once. Iris played great, but seriously, there are too many boring mediocre emo-terrans already (ie iris, midas, goodfriend). ZvT is so much more interesting than TvT. It's even more interesting to have a zerg owning up terrans on maps where terrans clearly have an advantage too. It really feels like some of the extremly regular posters think they have to disagree with the mainstream just because they want to feel special. "Ok now savior is best and most popular, I have to cheers for anyone but him". Just stop it please, it's embarasing.
Oh, I don't like Iris. I just pity him for being so sad D: I mean, you have to feel sorry for him - training for 12 hours a day for a month and then losing.
About hating sAviOr, I hate him because he's boring to watch, not because he's dominating. When oov was the best, I still liked watching him play, because his style is fun and different, even if it's still macro. Same with NaDa. BoxeR is just fun to watch because he's BoxeR.
sAviOr antis don't hate him because he's good - we respect his skill. We don't like his style though. It wins, but it's not fun.
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On February 16 2007 18:05 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 17:25 joeki wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan. Jesus christ. Go back to the the emo-hole. We already have hundreds of terran icons. It's nice to have a zerg finally dominating the whole stage for once. Iris played great, but seriously, there are too many boring mediocre emo-terrans already (ie iris, midas, goodfriend). ZvT is so much more interesting than TvT. It's even more interesting to have a zerg owning up terrans on maps where terrans clearly have an advantage too. It really feels like some of the extremly regular posters think they have to disagree with the mainstream just because they want to feel special. "Ok now savior is best and most popular, I have to cheers for anyone but him". Just stop it please, it's embarasing. Oh, I don't like Iris. I just pity him for being so sad D: I mean, you have to feel sorry for him - training for 12 hours a day for a month and then losing. About hating sAviOr, I hate him because he's boring to watch, not because he's dominating. When oov was the best, I still liked watching him play, because his style is fun and different, even if it's still macro. Same with NaDa. BoxeR is just fun to watch because he's BoxeR. sAviOr antis don't hate him because he's good - we respect his skill. We don't like his style though. It wins, but it's not fun.
how can you still hate his style after todays games ? :O teh OWnage style. and the crazy defiler plague swarm hydralisk lurker defence style. would any other zerg have pulled that off? :O
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On February 16 2007 16:39 [Carlodajin] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 15:46 Last Romantic wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan. First of all. The first thing that SaviOr did after the last match was congrat Iris for such an excellent match. Second of all. Koreans are humble persons and respect each other. And also does SaviOr. Third of all. First time I get so shocked by a commentary. You just tried to say SaviOr is a bad person?. PostData: And if you tried to make fun of such an emotional image. You deserve to be an "anti-fan".
It was just commiseration for Iris in his sadness. Also criticizing sAviOr fans who laughed at Midas when Midas lost. No malice towards the players themselves.
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On February 16 2007 18:07 alffla wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 18:05 Last Romantic wrote:On February 16 2007 17:25 joeki wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan. Jesus christ. Go back to the the emo-hole. We already have hundreds of terran icons. It's nice to have a zerg finally dominating the whole stage for once. Iris played great, but seriously, there are too many boring mediocre emo-terrans already (ie iris, midas, goodfriend). ZvT is so much more interesting than TvT. It's even more interesting to have a zerg owning up terrans on maps where terrans clearly have an advantage too. It really feels like some of the extremly regular posters think they have to disagree with the mainstream just because they want to feel special. "Ok now savior is best and most popular, I have to cheers for anyone but him". Just stop it please, it's embarasing. Oh, I don't like Iris. I just pity him for being so sad D: I mean, you have to feel sorry for him - training for 12 hours a day for a month and then losing. About hating sAviOr, I hate him because he's boring to watch, not because he's dominating. When oov was the best, I still liked watching him play, because his style is fun and different, even if it's still macro. Same with NaDa. BoxeR is just fun to watch because he's BoxeR. sAviOr antis don't hate him because he's good - we respect his skill. We don't like his style though. It wins, but it's not fun. how can you still hate his style after todays games ? :O
Oh, I appreciate the fact that he's trying to diversify. But he's BAD at this one hatch muta stuff, and I'm certain that in game 5 his strange build order set him back and was something that was overcome - it was definitely not a masterful plan that made him win.
The only time a strange low econ build contributed directly to his victory was 9pool and 5pool in that series vs bifrost, IMO. The other times he 9pooled in today and yesterday's series, it didn't really give him much advantage - in every game he would have been better served doing his usual 3-hatch muta to lurker.
The one hatch one base stuff should be left to the likes of YellOw and July.
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On February 16 2007 18:07 Last Romantic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 16:39 [Carlodajin] wrote:On February 16 2007 15:46 Last Romantic wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan. First of all. The first thing that SaviOr did after the last match was congrat Iris for such an excellent match. Second of all. Koreans are humble persons and respect each other. And also does SaviOr. Third of all. First time I get so shocked by a commentary. You just tried to say SaviOr is a bad person?. PostData: And if you tried to make fun of such an emotional image. You deserve to be an "anti-fan". It was just commiseration for Iris in his sadness. Also criticizing sAviOr fans who laughed at Midas when Midas lost. No malice towards the players themselves.
I cant believe some people laughed at Midas. Its really disturbing.
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On February 16 2007 18:10 Last Romantic wrote:
The only time a strange low econ build contributed directly to his victory was 9pool and 5pool in that series vs bifrost, IMO. The other times he 9pooled in today and yesterday's series, it didn't really give him much advantage - in every game he would have been better served doing his usual 3-hatch muta to lurker.
The one hatch one base stuff should be left to the likes of YellOw and July.
Definetly not. Iris's timing attacks would have smacked him even harder had he done that. I think with the 2 of them having an idea of how the other plays, Savior knew 3 hatching every game might have costed him dearly. The guy gets props for changing it up.
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Last Romantic, saying "..and you deserve to be a Savior fan" is very bm to Savior's fans obviously not to Savior himself...
"sAviOr antis don't hate him because he's good - we respect his skill. We don't like his style though. It wins, but it's not fun." I have a feeling that by defining yourself as a 'savior-anti' you are depriving yourself of a lot of the fun of watching him play.. If you saw game 5 and thought it was boring I really don't know what to say.
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On February 16 2007 15:46 Last Romantic wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan.
Errmm Allow me to make a few corrections:
In the pic, is not Iris, but in fact, Savior. He crouched down because he was exhausted. This happened after he came out from Iris\' booth. (\"이렇게 힘들 수가\"
변형태에게 인사를 마친 마재윤이 체력이 다했는지 주저앉고 말았다.)
And translation corrections: (They were done very well for a non-native)
▶ Iris and Much really gave me strength.
(Rather, he said \"Iris and Much will give me strength(for the final).\")
▶ Because of Iris’ aggressive style, I was kind of scared to meet him in the league.
(Rather, he said \"Iris has an aggressive style, and it proved to be quite scary playing him in an official match (meaning that not that he was scared to meet him, but that Iris was scary in their match that just finished.)
▶More important than advancing to finals in both leagues, is actually winning both of them. That’s what I really want.
(Rather he said, \"Rather than just advancing to the finals in both leagues, I would like to win them both. I believe that will mean more.\")
▶I am one to practice as long as I feel satisfied. Because the analysis of the maps was finished early, I was able to sleep enough. I already had completed strategies for most maps, because I had practised a lot for the MSL Semis against Hwasin. (not sure about this part…)
(Rather, he said, \" If the analysis of a map is finished I would go to bed early, but because I lost so many games against Hwasin in MSL semis, I practiced like my life depended on it in order to find a consummate strategy.)
▶I am not as pressured as Nada is (?). Also Nada couldn’t face me for a long time. It’s gonna be interesting/fun.
(Rather, he said, \"Nada has nothing on me. I believe he won\'t be able to take me lightly. It\'s going to be fun. )
-Nada said in an interview that he wants take revenge and restore his honor.
▶I think Nada is intimidated by my momentum/force right now. I am not afraid of him. (um freely translated.. please correct >_<
(Rather, the interviewer asked, \"He will give back his fame, (Nada will disregard everything he has achieved throughout his career) and make sure he has his revenge\"
Savior said, \"I believe, it\'s only right for Nada to be pressured by my current force (form). I lack nothing that Nada has.
*This statement sounds arrogant in Korean as well. Nada fans are upset by Savior saying this and in Korean communities and in Nada\'s fan cafe Nada fans are showing their displeasure. However, the general feeling in Korean SC community is after the final game vs Iris in Arkanoid and having made it to 2 finals in the span of 2 days, Savior can say anything he wants and is his right to do so.
▶There will people saying that now yes. I want to defend this spot in the future.
(Rather, he said, \"Now, I think I can be called the best at SC yes. I will defend it in the future as well.
I hope this helps and does not refrain snowbird from doing more translations.
Thanks.
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On February 16 2007 21:30 zepidan wrote:
(Rather, he said, "Nada has nothing on me."
LOL. When I first read the interview I thought Savior was getting soft. Glad to see his abrasive cockiness again, it really makes the OSL finals that much more interesting.
I hope nada and savior beat the living hell out of each other and start a new super-rivalry.
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Thanks zepidan, good to see more people useful to the community.
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On February 16 2007 21:30 zepidan wrote:
(Rather, the interviewer asked, \"He will give back his fame, (Nada will disregard everything he has achieved throughout his career) and make sure he has his revenge\"
Savior said, \"I believe, it\'s only right for Nada to be pressured by my current force (form). I lack nothing that Nada has.
*This statement sounds arrogant in Korean as well. Nada fans are upset by Savior saying this and in Korean communities and in Nada\'s fan cafe Nada fans are showing their displeasure. However, the general feeling in Korean SC community is after the final game vs Iris in Arkanoid and having made it to 2 finals in the span of 2 days, Savior can say anything he wants and is his right to do so.
I would totally agree with this. Although it may come across as a little arrogant it is completely true. NaDa does have 3 OSL titles and a pretty little gold mouse to go along with it, but Savior has the well deserved #1 ranking along with an appearance in the 2 league finals. NaDa is the one with everything to prove, not savior. I can't wait!
Savior Fighting!! ~
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On February 16 2007 21:30 zepidan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2007 15:46 Last Romantic wrote:If you have no pity for Iris, you are a cold heartless person and deserve to be a sAviOr fan. Errmm Allow me to make a few corrections: In the pic, is not Iris, but in fact, Savior. He crouched down because he was exhausted. This happened after he came out from Iris\' booth. (\"이렇게 힘들 수가\" 변형태에게 인사를 마친 마재윤이 체력이 다했는지 주저앉고 말았다.)
I cant believe this goes far better than I expected. This is great for SaviOr.
The truth about the image and the interview has come to light. I feel really good right now.
I still want NaDa to win though. NaDa must win for the 4 Badges Honor!!!.
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