The TY Fan Club - Page 106

sneakyfox

8218 Posts

July 08 2020 16:02 GMT

#2101

I think Special was meant to chose PartinG. TY could then have swapped PartinG for Bunny. In the end it seems Special shot himself in the foot. He would probably have had an easier time vs Bunny than DRG.

3 Lions

United States3705 Posts

July 08 2020 16:08 GMT

#2102

On July 08 2020 23:21 BobFossil1 wrote:
Well, I hope TY wasn't too annoyed at Special after that group selection! He easily got the best group, did well by DRG too moving him from group D, and it's not like Stats was going to be in a much better position than he is now. He is a much better chance at moving from that group. I think he has a good chance vs. both Cure and Zest. Maybe if he had have been last picked and gone to group D while DRG was still there, but surely he would have been picked before Rogue.

I wonder what TY had in mind originally? Also I don't know what Special was really thinking, as he had a pretty good situation no matter what...

[In case you didn't see the group selection TY had exactly what he wanted having chosen Scarlett and then her choosing Special. Special was meant to choose someone like Dream, but chose Stats just to throw a curveball]

I think TY expected Special to choose Dream, and then he could've swapped out Special for DRG (though that puts Special in a pretty bad place). That would've also been a better setup for DRG as well.

Elentos

55594 Posts

July 08 2020 16:10 GMT

#2103

TY was probably looking to get DRG, Dream or Bunny as the 4th player in the group from the start. I think he was upset because if Special picked Dream he wouldn't have had to use his swap at all (but could have to make the group easier). If he picked PartinG, TY wouldn't have felt bad about swapping him to another group. But it was Stats and TY didn't want Stats in his group but also not in a really bad group.

BobFossil1

60 Posts

July 12 2020 14:42 GMT

#2104

Well Douyu Cup day 1 was not what I was expecting. Very poor builds and execution.

TY will have to do something special tomorrow just to make the loser's bracket in the next part of the tournament.

I hope that it's because he doesn't want to show anything a few days out from GSL, but after watching a lot of Cure's matches recently (eg. 5-0 vs Solar yesterday), among others, it just felt as though TY's feel for the recent meta was well off.

He got very unlucky vs Bly in game 2, with the command centre and bunker and it seemed a terrible build to do again from Bly. Meh, it happens. Game 3 though was such a throw. He just sat back and expanded slowly, when he was so ahead in army supply. He let Bly get to 6 bases to 4, and then Bly took out his 4th and he didn't counter-attack. That was the game there. Before that he was very indecisive with his aggression, not really searching for better angles, around side bases, and unwilling to make a strong frontal push, which would probably have been effective given the supply differential. Perhaps he played the image of Bly as much as anything, but he is a top calibre player, who should be simply moving out against someone like that and punishing.

In game 1 vs Solar, his really obvious 3 base (pretty much) all-in, looked almost like an overreaction to getting his hellions surrounded. I have no idea why he left them there while he focused on the banshees. Game 4 was a bit of a build order loss, but he stayed out on the map for a very long time. 2 rax proxy that is countered has a transition, yet he got all of his marines caught outside of his base. From that point Solar knew that TY would have to overreact to his roach/ravager push and then he had the resources to prepare for the desperation counter all-in. It felt as though he played into Solar's hands in both games, not showing patience to play his way out of tough situations. (I wouldn't say he had much chance after the marines went down--it was more about how he played his way out of the 2 rax shut down)

Strange day! Hoping that he is at his best tomorrow. I doubt if he does one of the 4 or 5 early BC opening variations he will be giving anything away for GSL, plus I think at the moment it has a very solid transition to at least being even in the mid-game.

Elentos

55594 Posts

July 12 2020 14:54 GMT

#2105

I don't recall any instance of TY ever trying particularly hard in an online tournament with less than 1 week before GSL. That's what most of his effort as a pro goes into. He has 4 Zergs in his Douyu group and 2 in his GSL group with Scarlett in both of them. And it's as close as it possibly could have been to his GSL group. This line-up couldn't possibly have worked out any worse for TY's chances to do well in Douyu.

As for tomorrow, realistically the only way he gets out of the group now is some sort of tie at 2-3. He's not beating soO.

sneakyfox

8218 Posts

July 13 2020 11:44 GMT

#2106

Well his group at the season finals seems quite doable. Two Terrans and PartinG (who he obviously doesn't want to play), and there are two players advancing. If he's not careful TIME in particular can take a series off him but let's just hope TY shows up. Otherwise the whole thing is pointless anyway.

BobFossil1

60 Posts

July 13 2020 12:28 GMT

#2107

That's more of what I expected yesterday, lots of all-ins and fighting his way through a slight deficit without giving anything away. 2 all-ins worked, 2 didn't and he was behind g2 vs SoO, but actually kept harassing side bases instead of going for an ill-fated frontal attack with a smaller army. No doubt he's making a point of cutting his SCVs at a low number and floating his main for a reason, to keep his macro hidden. Obviously, not optimal play, but as he showed he still had some room to pressure if he was more careful with units. In general his decision making and micro were both a bit better as well, even in game 1 where his counter was much cleaner than yesterday. That's a much better form of not really trying! He probably had a lot of fun with that ghost build.

It's actually quite possible for him to still make it. Losing 2-1 and winning 2-0 was the best worst-case scenario. Assuming he beats uThermal he just needs Solar to beat Bly and one of Scarlett or uThermal and if Solar gets the job done against uThermal then he's pretty good. A few what-ifs, but assuming the two other Koreans keep coasting (highly likely) it's not that hard to imagine. The more TY games the better! Fingers crossed...

That season finals group does look very good. Two very winnable TvTs and a 50/50 opponent as well.

Elentos

55594 Posts

July 13 2020 16:08 GMT

#2108

Well as was very much expected it wasn't enough for him to advance in Douyu cup. The unnecessary loss to Bly killed his chances.

That said it was only the 3rd most important event TY plays in this week so I think he feels pretty whatever.

loppy2345

39 Posts

July 14 2020 17:23 GMT

#2109

TY posted a video on his youtube, looks like a "day in the life of TY" video. It's in Korean, would love to have a translation of it!

BobFossil1

60 Posts

July 15 2020 13:59 GMT

#2110

Those games vs Special were amazing. Definitely not his best day (eg. moving his command centre and SCVs to nowhere vs. DRG haha and lining up 4 reapers vs a hellion when he was potentially about to do some good damage with his cheese), but Special made a lot of good moves to his credit! Was crazy series though. TY's already saying he needs to improve his condition. Even when sloppy or having a lot of pressure on him his TvT game sense is pretty awesome.

I definitely think TY sometimes gets a little overconfident and takes it easier than he would have (probably a little bit like when he gets 2-0 up). Winner of group B will be a super challenge and he will no doubt come in good condition.

BobFossil1

60 Posts

July 15 2020 14:04 GMT

#2111

And by amazing, for their crazy back and forth nature, not so much crisp builds!

I'm going to go for Inno, because I've got a lot more confidence in his TvT than TvZ after the last few days. (obviously I would most prefer Bunny, but I'm being realistic about who will get out in first). I'd favour him vs Inno on recent form for sure. I've seen a fair few games, and he's a bit vulnerable (he was 0-6 or 0-7 vs Dream in the last few weeks at some stage and dropped a series vs Time.)

sneakyfox

8218 Posts

July 15 2020 14:12 GMT

#2112

Definitely not a good day for him. He mentioned underestimating his opponents, which is then part of the explanation, but stuff like the OC misrally etc seem like signs that he was just a bit off today. I think TY and his fans are all hoping for Inno rather than Dark in the Ro8 - in either case it's going to be some tough games.

Also - after the win over Special, TY now has a 70% TvT winrate in Code S!

Elentos

55594 Posts

July 15 2020 14:30 GMT

#2113

Optimistically speaking, the Ro16 was his worst performance in season 1 too. And there's a 50% chance he gets a Terran which would be fine. But I half expect it to be Dark again. PartinG would be pretty bad too. Either way TY has to step it up.

In regards to underestimating opponents - not the first time, won't be the last. Remember that time TY got eliminated in the Ro32 last year? Yeah, he said he didn't take his opponents seriously. So I guess from that perspective this isn't the worst thing that could have happened

BobFossil1

60 Posts

July 15 2020 15:00 GMT

#2114

For him having such power in group selection doesn’t always mean it will be a good thing. He does best when he’s in a tough group and avoids certain players like dark/sOs.

Also, I seem to remember Artosis quoting TY as having possibly the best ever GSL win rate over all and in TvT in particular, in the lead up to the recent final. I could check back on the VOD, and it’s possible I misinterpreted it, but I was pretty impressed and a little surprised. He’s been super consistent and has a ridiculous success rate up to ro8s and plenty of 3-2 losses in them. I’m not sure where to find this stat though. I had a little look around liquipedia and alligurac, But didn’t find anything.

Elentos

55594 Posts

July 15 2020 15:06 GMT

#2115

There's a Twitter account called CodeSFacts that keeps track of such things.

Also I think it's better for TY ultimately that the group went the way it did. Imagine if Special beats DRG (it was pretty close after all) and TY then wins the group 4-0 on a poor day and keeps taking it easy because it worked. Better to have a rude awakening today than in the Ro8.

BobFossil1

60 Posts

July 16 2020 11:15 GMT

#2116

Good tip. Second only to MVP. Also agreed. Some of his best preparation occurs in situations like these.

sneakyfox

8218 Posts

July 16 2020 14:04 GMT

#2117

Well it's already time to step up. Hope he does well today, and then it gets series on Saturday. I really hope he makes a deep run here (unlikely as it seems after his GSL group). After he beat Dark in Code S, Serral is the player I really want to see him win against. He definitely had his chances last year and their matches were very interesting, Blord/infestor not withstanding.