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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12905 Posts
January 13 2012 22:55 GMT
#2901
On January 14 2012 07:43 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 07:24 Poopi wrote:
On January 14 2012 07:10 TeeTS wrote:
Well after seeing todays KSL match against Losira..... Well I think we should just give up the thought, that he will ever win a major tournament. His permanent attacks not considering opponents strategie (that he already knows) and the actual situation of the game. Just moving out and getting counterattacked, refusing to even make the smallest defensive efforts (like wallin or a bunker), rallying units all over the map just to get them caught by opponents fast moving forces and all that over and over again without learning from any mistake done before.... I don't know. With this style of play he really can lose to anyone, it's no big deal. Once an opponent has figured out how he works, he can abuse that so hardcore that all the good things about his play won't matter. And there is no improvement. He plays like this since he entered the scene in open season 2, and he changed on this not by the slightest.
He has such a great charakter and is perhaps the biggest talent out there in SC2. But by playing this brainless style he'll throw away his chances again and again. We should just enjoy these great moments, where he wins fights where he should get crushed, comes back into games, that were lost for a long time and where he has this childish smile of pure happyness and not think about championships.

If you feel that something a foreign pro do is stupid/you don't understand it, you should not think that you know what they are doing wrong, unless you are yourself a foreign pro.
If you feel the same about a korean, well there aren't any korean pro on TL, so...
What I mean is that little things matter at sc2, and most of the things pros do you won't understand the in an outs even if you are GM, high master, goldie or whatever.
About the possibility of him winning a championship, well this season Leenock, Bomber and fOrGG were eliminated, nobody can predict if any player will win at least one championship this year, the likes of Mvp, MC, NesTea and MMA could very well not even win a single GSL with the talent here in 2012 code S


Well I agree, that pro's may have an edge in insight about even the most understanding casuals. BUT after violet counterattacked the shit out of him @ HSC, to let Losira do the same to him again in several games in a row and not reaction a bit like default raising his depots at his wallin when he moves out, or building 1-2 Bunkers just for the case. I mean that's just stupid. It's not that this is about a complex situation of the game. It's indeed very simple. He moves out, Zerg scouts it, Zerg counterattacks. That's it, nothing more about it. Basically there are two solutions to this problem: A) he doesn't move out which kinda doesn't make sense or B) he moves out but prepares for an incoming counterattack. Well he moves out without preparing and sacrificing a lot of SCVs each time it happens. To think that there is a complex genius plan behind it.... what kind of plan is it to sacrifice a third of your workers at least? Not a very good one from my point of view. So this kind of defence makes absolutely no sense here, sorry!

I didn't see the games but there has to be a reason for everything he does, so maybe it's for forcing the zerg to sacrifice his units? or maybe he just wants to force himself to multitask harder and harder at risk of losing some games (practice in real situation with important games is good :o).
And since he won how is that wrong?
o;o
WriterMaru
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
January 13 2012 23:02 GMT
#2902
After seeing HSCIV I must say I do agree with TeeTS in many points. Ive seen countles brainless moveouts by him, trying to micro as good as possible.
On the other hand he 2-0ed MC (I believe) and made impossible comebacks...

I would not count him out of any tournament, he just needs to unite his micro with Goodys descisionmaking.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 15:49:56
January 14 2012 13:56 GMT
#2903
On January 14 2012 07:10 TeeTS wrote:
Well after seeing todays KSL match against Losira..... Well I think we should just give up the thought, that he will ever win a major tournament. His permanent attacks not considering opponents strategie (that he already knows) and the actual situation of the game. Just moving out and getting counterattacked, refusing to even make the smallest defensive efforts (like wallin or a bunker), rallying units all over the map just to get them caught by opponents fast moving forces and all that over and over again without learning from any mistake done before.... I don't know. With this style of play he really can lose to anyone, it's no big deal. Once an opponent has figured out how he works, he can abuse that so hardcore that all the good things about his play won't matter. And there is no improvement. He plays like this since he entered the scene in open season 2, and he changed on this not by the slightest.
He has such a great charakter and is perhaps the biggest talent out there in SC2. But by playing this brainless style he'll throw away his chances again and again. We should just enjoy these great moments, where he wins fights where he should get crushed, comes back into games, that were lost for a long time and where he has this childish smile of pure happyness and not think about championships.


I wouldn't judge his play style or anything by a 100$ praise tourny, if thats the case MVP is not as good as he is.
But I agree with parts of what you said, and I posted about that months ago and I still believe it, MK should change a team I think the main reason for his poor judgements is bad coaching, I don't even want to start with the really poor TvT he was playing while everyone was owning his ass with mech play.


EDIT:
Same as todays games :| except game 5 vs Monster
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37044 Posts
January 14 2012 15:03 GMT
#2904
MKP vs Monster right now!!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303148
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
January 14 2012 15:51 GMT
#2905
nice, now he is in the finals against true :>
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 15:59:38
January 14 2012 15:57 GMT
#2906
On January 14 2012 07:10 TeeTS wrote:
Well after seeing todays KSL match against Losira..... Well I think we should just give up the thought, that he will ever win a major tournament. His permanent attacks not considering opponents strategie (that he already knows) and the actual situation of the game. Just moving out and getting counterattacked, refusing to even make the smallest defensive efforts (like wallin or a bunker), rallying units all over the map just to get them caught by opponents fast moving forces and all that over and over again without learning from any mistake done before.... I don't know. With this style of play he really can lose to anyone, it's no big deal. Once an opponent has figured out how he works, he can abuse that so hardcore that all the good things about his play won't matter. And there is no improvement. He plays like this since he entered the scene in open season 2, and he changed on this not by the slightest.
He has such a great charakter and is perhaps the biggest talent out there in SC2. But by playing this brainless style he'll throw away his chances again and again. We should just enjoy these great moments, where he wins fights where he should get crushed, comes back into games, that were lost for a long time and where he has this childish smile of pure happyness and not think about championships.


long post. I partially agree.
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
bearhug
Profile Joined September 2010
United States999 Posts
January 14 2012 15:57 GMT
#2907
On January 14 2012 07:10 TeeTS wrote:
Well after seeing todays KSL match against Losira..... Well I think we should just give up the thought, that he will ever win a major tournament. His permanent attacks not considering opponents strategie (that he already knows) and the actual situation of the game. Just moving out and getting counterattacked, refusing to even make the smallest defensive efforts (like wallin or a bunker), rallying units all over the map just to get them caught by opponents fast moving forces and all that over and over again without learning from any mistake done before.... I don't know. With this style of play he really can lose to anyone, it's no big deal. Once an opponent has figured out how he works, he can abuse that so hardcore that all the good things about his play won't matter. And there is no improvement. He plays like this since he entered the scene in open season 2, and he changed on this not by the slightest.
He has such a great charakter and is perhaps the biggest talent out there in SC2. But by playing this brainless style he'll throw away his chances again and again. We should just enjoy these great moments, where he wins fights where he should get crushed, comes back into games, that were lost for a long time and where he has this childish smile of pure happyness and not think about championships.


Maybe you are right to some extent. Hoever there is some hope: if he could play like what he did today in game 5 vs Monster, safe and patient and alert, there is a good chance that his championship dream can become true.
We are dusts in the vast cosmic arena. Need to make the most out of life when we still have it.
Consummate
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia191 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 16:16:35
January 14 2012 16:09 GMT
#2908
I have to agree with TeeTs. I am a huge MarineKing fan, but watching his games vs Violet at HSC was heartbreaking.

He lost to zergling run-bys every game, in the same situation (violet just scouted he was moving out to attack and had a group of zerglings waiting somewhere on the map). I would have thought Marineking would have learned to lift up his supply depots when moving out to prevent the run-bys, but he never did and lost each game to them.

Additionally he made some very questionable attacks when he was behind, which caused him to fall behind even further. I understand he wants to play aggressively, but sometimes you have to sit back.

Overall, his decision making needs some working on, shame to see a player that is very capable of winning GSLs in the near future to lose because of his poor decisions.

I hope MKP's new TvZ style of not walling in vs Zerg and just playing overall very risky is him just testing himself rather than it being a proper strategy.
lol
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 17:29:40
January 14 2012 17:28 GMT
#2909
I agree with others. As MKP's number 1 fan, I just want him to improve and be the best. However, he still has flaws as mentioned here that he has yet to correct.

Not walling in against zerg and not making bunkers is silly. He lost to leenock on dual site in aol because of it and again to violet in home story cup on dual sight as well. I really don't know his rationale for doing that as I can't see any advantage to it and it costs him so many games.

Also, he still has limited scouting, even though people in the past have said in interviews after they beat him in GSL that they proxy him or take ninja expos on him because of his limited scouting. This also cost him in game 5 against violet, when he blind dropped 5 medivacs at violet's third and got hit by fungals, essentially losing him the game and series.

I'll always cheer for him to win 1st, but until he fixes these flaws, he'll never be consistent and on mvp's or mma's level. On any given day mkp can beat anyone (except for mvp of course ), but at the same time he could also lose to anyone, such as delphi or violet. There's really no way mkp should lose to those players, except if he beats himself, which he did in those series.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Zertrabuk
Profile Joined January 2012
France1 Post
January 14 2012 17:34 GMT
#2910
Sign me up !!

xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
January 14 2012 18:55 GMT
#2911
Does anyone have the link to MKP's playlist? i think it is grooveshark he uses,

PS, sign me up! :D
FiNTer
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland153 Posts
January 14 2012 19:05 GMT
#2912
On January 15 2012 03:55 xi Tempest x wrote:
Does anyone have the link to MKP's playlist? i think it is grooveshark he uses,

PS, sign me up! :D

its posted earlier but i was just listening it so here u go :D http://grooveshark.com/#!/mkps2/music
Slayers`terran fan
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
January 15 2012 15:36 GMT
#2913
1000$ and a first place more for his achievment list
well done MKP!
CokeFTW
Profile Joined November 2011
United States39 Posts
January 15 2012 18:24 GMT
#2914
Did MKP just beat a IM player in the finals.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12905 Posts
January 16 2012 00:53 GMT
#2915
Wow nice, MKP watched the vid I made of him and liked it :D
WriterMaru
Sicnastysica1
Profile Joined December 2011
United States9 Posts
January 16 2012 01:45 GMT
#2916
add me in!!! :D i love MKP favorite pro for for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I play for keeps
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
January 16 2012 06:51 GMT
#2917
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
+ Show Spoiler [KSL Spoilers] +
MKP won a championship and I didn't see it!? Where are the vods? WHERE ARE THE VODS?!
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
NosEvilEmpire
Profile Joined December 2011
14 Posts
January 17 2012 10:17 GMT
#2918
sign me up, my fav terran
Zephyrmist
Profile Joined April 2011
United States13 Posts
January 17 2012 11:21 GMT
#2919
I shall name him Uguu~king. Sign me up for the cutest progamer.
gosuRob
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States319 Posts
January 18 2012 10:32 GMT
#2920
MKP so good <3<3<3
Rules? There aren't many rules. You fight mean, you win mean. It takes a certain someone
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