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On March 07 2012 05:02 SeaSwift wrote:
Also, while PvP is significantly more luck-based than any other matchups, there are still things MC needs to improve on. It seems like his decision making and reactions in PvP are a little off. He could do with a lot of practice in the matchup, similar to what happened at the end of last year with his PvZ.
Did he look any better than he did vs Genius?
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On March 07 2012 02:30 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 06:16 double620 wrote:On March 04 2012 05:52 msjakofsky wrote:On March 04 2012 03:22 Hakanfrog wrote:On March 02 2012 01:40 msjakofsky wrote:On March 02 2012 00:54 SeaSwift wrote:On March 02 2012 00:47 msjakofsky wrote:On March 02 2012 00:26 SeaSwift wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_World_ChampionshipGroups for IEM ^ MC will stomp Ret/Nerchio/Sound, and if he can hold the 4gate will beat elfi. Hasuobs is a bit more dodgy, seeing as his style of PvP is very safe, and PvP is so... yeah. Still, MC has very good chances of getting out of that group, and pretty good chances of getting first. don't know how on earth would you rate hasu more dangerous than elfi to mc. elfi has probably the best pvp out of all the foreigners, he's certainly the most likely to beat mc from that group. but he'll likely beat the others. elfi's PvP relies entirely around straight up 4gates, because Protoss are becoming more greedy in that matchup. MC can hold any foreigner 4gate on any map other than TDA. Hasuobs, on the other hand, stays safe until maxed. Once both players are maxed, it's all about positioning and sometimes luck, rather than unit control and micro. elfi uses a lot of different builds... standard 4gate, fake 4gate into exp, blink stalkers, etc. he beat the crap out of huk for example and huk's pvp is better than mc's. he's certainly much more dangerous than hasu in pvp. No it isn´t. It really isn´t, and HuK played bad in that series. well here's an argument for you http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&vs=1598&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=28&to_year=2012&to_month=2&to_day=25&action=UpdateMC is the better player by far but he always loses to huk. as of today, MC is the underdog if he plays vs huk. and Elfi's pvp is ridiculous, doesn't matter if huk didn't play good in those series. MC already proved that he is mortal vs foreigners in pvp and Elfi's pvp is better than Mana's. What did you need to do this in Mc's fanclub? Do not make yourself look like a fool at the time Mc destroys Elfi. well who's the fool now?  anyways both of them are through so that's cool
Honestly speaking, I know that Mc' pvp has weakness. I just believe in a fanclub ppl should encourage him instead of trying to post record to say he is worse than elfi or sth to discourage Mc.
If you watch those games, you can see Elfi played better and deserved to win despite some mistakes. At the same time, we also can see Mc's abilities of learning his opponent and apapt to it. He played a lot more agressive and effective in 2nd and 3rd games. And he definitely has more potential to improve in this mu than elfi does.
Before Blizz cup, ppl even believed that Leenock would crush Mc. But now, Mc looks very strong with his pvz and surely has a chance to take down any top zerg. This is Mc and fanclub is a place he will see a lot of words from many fans to encourage and support him.
If they meet again in the final, Mc will manage to win.
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On March 07 2012 03:34 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
MC is a truly a beast in PvZ...Does anyone have a replay of a recent match between MC and DRG(not blizzard cup).thx in advance.
I would love to see that too.
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On March 07 2012 03:34 Rhaegar_tar wrote:
MC is a truly a beast in PvZ...Does anyone have a replay of a recent match between MC and DRG(not blizzard cup).thx in advance.
Not in Blizzard Cup? They did play in MLG providence... you can check it out on mlg.tv. But MC has not yet recover from his PvZ slump then and DRG just outplayed him. They did met once in the KSL, MC maxed out on 2 bases and just straight-out killed DRG lol.
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On March 07 2012 07:49 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 02:30 msjakofsky wrote:On March 04 2012 06:16 double620 wrote:On March 04 2012 05:52 msjakofsky wrote:On March 04 2012 03:22 Hakanfrog wrote:On March 02 2012 01:40 msjakofsky wrote:On March 02 2012 00:54 SeaSwift wrote:On March 02 2012 00:47 msjakofsky wrote:On March 02 2012 00:26 SeaSwift wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_World_ChampionshipGroups for IEM ^ MC will stomp Ret/Nerchio/Sound, and if he can hold the 4gate will beat elfi. Hasuobs is a bit more dodgy, seeing as his style of PvP is very safe, and PvP is so... yeah. Still, MC has very good chances of getting out of that group, and pretty good chances of getting first. don't know how on earth would you rate hasu more dangerous than elfi to mc. elfi has probably the best pvp out of all the foreigners, he's certainly the most likely to beat mc from that group. but he'll likely beat the others. elfi's PvP relies entirely around straight up 4gates, because Protoss are becoming more greedy in that matchup. MC can hold any foreigner 4gate on any map other than TDA. Hasuobs, on the other hand, stays safe until maxed. Once both players are maxed, it's all about positioning and sometimes luck, rather than unit control and micro. elfi uses a lot of different builds... standard 4gate, fake 4gate into exp, blink stalkers, etc. he beat the crap out of huk for example and huk's pvp is better than mc's. he's certainly much more dangerous than hasu in pvp. No it isn´t. It really isn´t, and HuK played bad in that series. well here's an argument for you http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&vs=1598&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=28&to_year=2012&to_month=2&to_day=25&action=UpdateMC is the better player by far but he always loses to huk. as of today, MC is the underdog if he plays vs huk. and Elfi's pvp is ridiculous, doesn't matter if huk didn't play good in those series. MC already proved that he is mortal vs foreigners in pvp and Elfi's pvp is better than Mana's. What did you need to do this in Mc's fanclub? Do not make yourself look like a fool at the time Mc destroys Elfi. well who's the fool now? anyways both of them are through so that's cool Honestly speaking, I know that Mc' pvp has weakness. I just believe in a fanclub ppl should encourage him instead of trying to post record to say he is worse than elfi or sth to discourage Mc. If you watch those games, you can see Elfi played better and deserved to win despite some mistakes. At the same time, we also can see Mc's abilities of learning his opponent and apapt to it. He played a lot more agressive and effective in 2nd and 3rd games. And he definitely has more potential to improve in this mu than elfi does. Before Blizz cup, ppl even believed that Leenock would crush Mc. But now, Mc looks very strong with his pvz and surely has a chance to take down any top zerg. This is Mc and fanclub is a place he will see a lot of words from many fans to encourage and support him. If they meet again in the final, Mc will manage to win.
well i love to see mc winning. nobody else's play looks as monstrous and frightening as mc's when he makes some ridiculously agressive build work. he's also super funny and i cheer for him.
however i consider myself a rational person and the possibility was certainly there that he could lose to elfi. recognizing this doesn't discredit anyone's feelings of a player. mc is leagues above every foreigner player in pvz and pvt, but pvp is his weakness and it also happens to be elfi's strongest point. it's hard to decide which is more heartwarming to watch, a beloved korean monster to crush foreigners or an awesome foreigner beating a korean monster. to me every outcome would have been pleasant, and the fact that both of them advanced was the best possible outcome.
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On March 07 2012 13:15 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 07:49 double620 wrote:On March 07 2012 02:30 msjakofsky wrote:On March 04 2012 06:16 double620 wrote:On March 04 2012 05:52 msjakofsky wrote:On March 04 2012 03:22 Hakanfrog wrote:On March 02 2012 01:40 msjakofsky wrote:On March 02 2012 00:54 SeaSwift wrote:On March 02 2012 00:47 msjakofsky wrote:On March 02 2012 00:26 SeaSwift wrote:http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_World_ChampionshipGroups for IEM ^ MC will stomp Ret/Nerchio/Sound, and if he can hold the 4gate will beat elfi. Hasuobs is a bit more dodgy, seeing as his style of PvP is very safe, and PvP is so... yeah. Still, MC has very good chances of getting out of that group, and pretty good chances of getting first. don't know how on earth would you rate hasu more dangerous than elfi to mc. elfi has probably the best pvp out of all the foreigners, he's certainly the most likely to beat mc from that group. but he'll likely beat the others. elfi's PvP relies entirely around straight up 4gates, because Protoss are becoming more greedy in that matchup. MC can hold any foreigner 4gate on any map other than TDA. Hasuobs, on the other hand, stays safe until maxed. Once both players are maxed, it's all about positioning and sometimes luck, rather than unit control and micro. elfi uses a lot of different builds... standard 4gate, fake 4gate into exp, blink stalkers, etc. he beat the crap out of huk for example and huk's pvp is better than mc's. he's certainly much more dangerous than hasu in pvp. No it isn´t. It really isn´t, and HuK played bad in that series. well here's an argument for you http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=640&part=games&vs=1598&league=any&map=any&from_year=2010&from_month=12&from_day=28&to_year=2012&to_month=2&to_day=25&action=UpdateMC is the better player by far but he always loses to huk. as of today, MC is the underdog if he plays vs huk. and Elfi's pvp is ridiculous, doesn't matter if huk didn't play good in those series. MC already proved that he is mortal vs foreigners in pvp and Elfi's pvp is better than Mana's. What did you need to do this in Mc's fanclub? Do not make yourself look like a fool at the time Mc destroys Elfi. well who's the fool now? anyways both of them are through so that's cool Honestly speaking, I know that Mc' pvp has weakness. I just believe in a fanclub ppl should encourage him instead of trying to post record to say he is worse than elfi or sth to discourage Mc. If you watch those games, you can see Elfi played better and deserved to win despite some mistakes. At the same time, we also can see Mc's abilities of learning his opponent and apapt to it. He played a lot more agressive and effective in 2nd and 3rd games. And he definitely has more potential to improve in this mu than elfi does. Before Blizz cup, ppl even believed that Leenock would crush Mc. But now, Mc looks very strong with his pvz and surely has a chance to take down any top zerg. This is Mc and fanclub is a place he will see a lot of words from many fans to encourage and support him. If they meet again in the final, Mc will manage to win. well i love to see mc winning. nobody else's play looks as monstrous and frightening as mc's when he makes some ridiculously agressive build work. he's also super funny and i cheer for him. however i consider myself a rational person and the possibility was certainly there that he could lose to elfi. recognizing this doesn't discredit anyone's feelings of a player. mc is leagues above every foreigner player in pvz and pvt, but pvp is his weakness and it also happens to be elfi's strongest point. it's hard to decide which is more heartwarming to watch, a beloved korean monster to crush foreigners or an awesome foreigner beating a korean monster. to me every outcome would have been pleasant, and the fact that both of them advanced was the best possible outcome.
Anyways it is all good. Without Mc's advance, we surely will have to accept another non toss win tournament. With Mc, there is hope for toss.
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Yay!!! MC advances!! I hope we're gonna see a protoss victory here!!
MMA's cursed, don't worry ^^
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Brackets here.
MC's got a pretty good road to the finals. A PvZ against either Violet or Darkforce, and then a PvP against either Feast, Killer or Hasu.
I can see him meeting MMA in the finals. Epic!
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Yeah. Would be nice to avoid PvP entirely, but that is too much to ask for. Pretty nice set up. Getting first in your group has perks .
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Gaaah MC can't avoid a PvP if his life depended on it... but I have confidence with nonetheless. If he can get pass it and play the final against MMA (I'm guessing) IMO MC's PvT is a million times better than MMA's TvP he's my bet to win.
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MC needs to analyze his weaknesses in his PvP if he wants to reach the finals.
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On March 08 2012 04:43 jkang wrote:
MC needs to analyze his weaknesses in his PvP if he wants to reach the finals.
I don't get it. He got first in a group full of Protoss, losing only to elfi and Whitera, both 1-2.
His PvP is definitely his weakest matchup, but he doesn't have time to analyze his weaknesses before his next PvP in this tournament. We'll just have to hope he's having a good day and his style is good against Feast/SangHo/HasuObs'.
Personally, I hope he goes up against either Hasu or Killer. He's already 2-0ed HasuObs, and Killer is one of the more mediocre Koreans, with PvP being his notoriously weakest matchup.
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On March 08 2012 05:16 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 04:43 jkang wrote:
MC needs to analyze his weaknesses in his PvP if he wants to reach the finals. I don't get it. He got first in a group full of Protoss, losing only to elfi and Whitera, both 1-2. His PvP is definitely his weakest matchup, but he doesn't have time to analyze his weaknesses before his next PvP in this tournament. We'll just have to hope he's having a good day and his style is good against Feast/SangHo/HasuObs'. Personally, I hope he goes up against either Hasu or Killer. He's already 2-0ed HasuObs, and Killer is one of the more mediocre Koreans, with PvP being his notoriously weakest matchup. Well I should've said he should go over his replays and talk with other good PvP'ers about how he could improve. As I had noted some time ago, MC almost always loses in tourneys through PvP, even if his other two match-ups were beastly. I wouldn't be too surprised if he loses in the semifinals (assuming he gets there) in IEM.
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On March 08 2012 05:16 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 04:43 jkang wrote:
MC needs to analyze his weaknesses in his PvP if he wants to reach the finals. I don't get it. He got first in a group full of Protoss, losing only to elfi and Whitera, both 1-2. His PvP is definitely his weakest matchup, but he doesn't have time to analyze his weaknesses before his next PvP in this tournament. We'll just have to hope he's having a good day and his style is good against Feast/SangHo/HasuObs'. Personally, I hope he goes up against either Hasu or Killer. He's already 2-0ed HasuObs, and Killer is one of the more mediocre Koreans, with PvP being his notoriously weakest matchup.
He is a bit too extreme but he has a point that MC is weak in PvP and if he wants to reliably make it to the finals he will need to step his game up a little.
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Hey can some1 tell me what does aka mean ?
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On March 09 2012 08:56 double620 wrote:Hey can some1 tell me what does aka mean ?
aka= also known as
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On March 09 2012 09:12 Tppz! wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 08:56 double620 wrote:Hey can some1 tell me what does aka mean ? aka= also known as
thx man
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I love you Mc. You are the best.
Showing us why he is the better pvzer than Hero.
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EPT
