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InvidiaX
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada11 Posts
August 01 2011 22:29 GMT
#2821
So MC picked MVP to be in his group. I remember that PvT was one of his weakest MU, and MVP weakiest was TvP. Thought MVP played very well during MLG against Terrans and DonRaeGu, but I have no idea how his TvP has improved. Anyone know who is better at this matchup right now? I really want MC to get out of his group and crush nerds, but with three Terrans in his group, hopefully his PvT has really improved....
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-01 22:41:06
August 01 2011 22:39 GMT
#2822
On August 02 2011 04:46 Die4Ever wrote:
Does anyone know how many GSL points MC, NesTea, and MVP have? What kind of situation needs to happen for MC to take a top 2 spot? What's the tournament they need to be top 2 for and how many more seasons do they have for the cutoff? Lol, so many questions!


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GOMTV_Global_Starcraft_II_League/Rankings

MC needs to win GSL Aug and MVP has to get under 2nd for MC to take 2nd place overall.1

I believe GSL Oct is the last chance to gain ranking points.


On August 02 2011 07:29 InvidiaX wrote:
So MC picked MVP to be in his group. I remember that PvT was one of his weakest MU, and MVP weakiest was TvP. Thought MVP played very well during MLG against Terrans and DonRaeGu, but I have no idea how his TvP has improved. Anyone know who is better at this matchup right now? I really want MC to get out of his group and crush nerds, but with three Terrans in his group, hopefully his PvT has really improved....


MC's PvT is absolutely brilliant, it just so happens that PvT is arguably his weakest match up
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
InFi.asc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany518 Posts
August 01 2011 22:59 GMT
#2823
On August 02 2011 07:39 Stanlot wrote:

MC's PvT is absolutely brilliant, it just so happens that PvT is arguably his weakest match up


yeah. it might be his weakest matchup but it's still one of the best (if not the best) PvTs in the world.

i am so excited to see him play this GSL where he had the time to focus on it.
* Liquid'Hero * Liquid'TLO * oGsMC * oGsFin *
Zombie_Velociraptor
Profile Joined May 2011
274 Posts
August 02 2011 00:02 GMT
#2824
PvT isn't MC's worst matchup, he just stopped all-inning in it and lategame PvT is pretty much Terran-favoured atm.
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
August 02 2011 00:09 GMT
#2825
On August 02 2011 07:59 InFi.asc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 07:39 Stanlot wrote:

MC's PvT is absolutely brilliant, it just so happens that PvT is arguably his weakest match up


yeah. it might be his weakest matchup but it's still one of the best (if not the best) PvTs in the world.

i am so excited to see him play this GSL where he had the time to focus on it.


Even though it's his weakest matchup, in my opinion it's still the best PvT around. I don't think anyone has a PvT as strong as his.
Kluey
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1197 Posts
August 02 2011 05:05 GMT
#2826
MC's only weak match-up is PvP. Against PuMa he absolutely crushed him with an early, not so refined Phoenix build. I honestly think that PvP killed MC's chances at this last GSL. He could very easily compete with Nestea and probably beat him.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
August 02 2011 05:18 GMT
#2827
On August 02 2011 01:20 Serelitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2011 19:07 sasobodynamic wrote:
MC's Master Plan.
1. Crush Terrans.
2. Crush IMMvp.
3. Crush NesTea.
4. Win GSL 3 times.
5. Profit.


It's more like

1. Pick MVP
2. Nestea and MC place 1st in groups, dodging eachother
3. MVP gets 2nd in his group and matches Nestea in the ro16.
4. MVP eliminates Nestea for MC (because MVP's TvP is 'meh' compared to his awesome TvZ while Nestea is probably the only player that's the heavy favourite over MC)
5. MC rolls on to win GSL without having to worry about Nestea
6. ???
7. PROFIT.


:o HE'S AN EVIL GENIUS
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 05:56:04
August 02 2011 05:52 GMT
#2828
On August 02 2011 14:18 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 01:20 Serelitz wrote:
On August 01 2011 19:07 sasobodynamic wrote:
MC's Master Plan.
1. Crush Terrans.
2. Crush IMMvp.
3. Crush NesTea.
4. Win GSL 3 times.
5. Profit.


It's more like

1. Pick MVP
2. Nestea and MC place 1st in groups, dodging eachother
3. MVP gets 2nd in his group and matches Nestea in the ro16.
4. MVP eliminates Nestea for MC (because MVP's TvP is 'meh' compared to his awesome TvZ while Nestea is probably the only player that's the heavy favourite over MC)
5. MC rolls on to win GSL without having to worry about Nestea
6. ???
7. PROFIT.


:o HE'S AN EVIL GENIUS

Hmm. To be honest, if he can set up a team kill, that'd be pretty devious. The thing is, he NEEDS to win the next GSL and make sure MVP doesn't take 2nd to make second in overall GSL ranking. I'd give MC a better chance against Nestea though, given his recent brilliant PvZ stargate play. Plus, if MVP beats Nestea in ro16, there will be a potential MC v MVP finals and MC will still fall behind MVP in ranking points even if he wins.
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Jinivus
Profile Joined July 2011
747 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 06:00:24
August 02 2011 05:58 GMT
#2829
On August 02 2011 14:52 Stanlot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 14:18 Heavenly wrote:
On August 02 2011 01:20 Serelitz wrote:
On August 01 2011 19:07 sasobodynamic wrote:
MC's Master Plan.
1. Crush Terrans.
2. Crush IMMvp.
3. Crush NesTea.
4. Win GSL 3 times.
5. Profit.


It's more like

1. Pick MVP
2. Nestea and MC place 1st in groups, dodging eachother
3. MVP gets 2nd in his group and matches Nestea in the ro16.
4. MVP eliminates Nestea for MC (because MVP's TvP is 'meh' compared to his awesome TvZ while Nestea is probably the only player that's the heavy favourite over MC)
5. MC rolls on to win GSL without having to worry about Nestea
6. ???
7. PROFIT.


:o HE'S AN EVIL GENIUS

Hmm. To be honest, if he can set up a team kill, that'd be pretty devious. The thing is, he NEEDS to win the next GSL and make sure MVP doesn't take 2nd to make second in overall GSL ranking. I'd give MC a better chance against Nestea though, given his recent brilliant PvZ stargate play. Plus, if MVP beats Nestea in ro16, there will be a potential MC v MVP finals and MC will still fall behind MVP in ranking points even if he wins.

Hopefully MVP runs into another protoss or Nestea runs into another good terran...then again I'm sure MC wants to face both of them to prove hes the best.
Nightmare1795
Profile Joined June 2011
United States222 Posts
August 02 2011 08:30 GMT
#2830
MVP can't dodge MC anymore!
HuKPOWA
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1604 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 20:55:56
August 02 2011 20:54 GMT
#2831
When MC was traveling to all these tournaments his skill slipped...now that he is practicing 24/7 nonstop in Korea, he is gonna be in the unbeatable shape he was b4!!!
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
August 02 2011 20:59 GMT
#2832
On August 02 2011 17:30 Nightmare1795 wrote:
MVP can't dodge MC anymore!


No need to run from something you aren't afraid of.
The Notorious Winkles
LeopoldStotch
Profile Joined April 2011
United States158 Posts
August 02 2011 21:22 GMT
#2833
On August 02 2011 14:05 Kluey wrote:
MC's only weak match-up is PvP. Against PuMa he absolutely crushed him with an early, not so refined Phoenix build. I honestly think that PvP killed MC's chances at this last GSL. He could very easily compete with Nestea and probably beat him.


He loses a set to HongUn and PvP becomes his weakest matchup? Are you forgetting this guy practices with Inca and has beaten him in every televised GSL match?
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
August 02 2011 21:23 GMT
#2834
On August 03 2011 05:59 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 17:30 Nightmare1795 wrote:
MVP can't dodge MC anymore!


No need to run from something you aren't afraid of.


I don't think MVP is afraid of MC either. Among the big three, Nestea / MC / MVP, I bet they all relish the chance to play each other and prove who's better. Will be fun to watch, especially because MC is forcing it to happen next season.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
August 02 2011 21:26 GMT
#2835
Why wouldn't MVP be afraid of MC? His worst matchup is TvP, he dropped a game to Kiwikaki and I think we can agree MC is the better protoss.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 21:37:53
August 02 2011 21:37 GMT
#2836
On August 03 2011 06:26 Heavenly wrote:
Why wouldn't MVP be afraid of MC? His worst matchup is TvP, he dropped a game to Kiwikaki and I think we can agree MC is the better protoss.


You're correct. MC is the best Protoss in the world, and MVP has not had as much success in TvP as other matchups. However, look at it from MVP's mindset. They are both two-time GSL champions and MC has openly challenged him. If I was MVP, I'd be excited to play this match. If he loses, a decent number of people will expect it given his TvP. But if he wins, he's all of a sudden got some of the best TvP in the world, and he just made MC look silly for picking him. I feel like its a low risk - high reward pay out from him, given that the majority are favoring MC over him.

That being said, I hope MC destroys him and shows climbs the Blizzcon rankings.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
August 02 2011 22:27 GMT
#2837
On August 03 2011 06:37 QTIP. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 06:26 Heavenly wrote:
Why wouldn't MVP be afraid of MC? His worst matchup is TvP, he dropped a game to Kiwikaki and I think we can agree MC is the better protoss.


You're correct. MC is the best Protoss in the world, and MVP has not had as much success in TvP as other matchups. However, look at it from MVP's mindset. They are both two-time GSL champions and MC has openly challenged him. If I was MVP, I'd be excited to play this match. If he loses, a decent number of people will expect it given his TvP. But if he wins, he's all of a sudden got some of the best TvP in the world, and he just made MC look silly for picking him. I feel like its a low risk - high reward pay out from him, given that the majority are favoring MC over him.

That being said, I hope MC destroys him and shows climbs the Blizzcon rankings.




Anyone can lose a game to Kiwi, that is not a big deal.
But I do hope Mc destroys MVP. Considered that TVP is MVP's worst matchup and if the best toss can not defeat him, I do not know if the game is balanced.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 22:31:22
August 02 2011 22:29 GMT
#2838
On August 03 2011 07:27 double620 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2011 06:37 QTIP. wrote:
On August 03 2011 06:26 Heavenly wrote:
Why wouldn't MVP be afraid of MC? His worst matchup is TvP, he dropped a game to Kiwikaki and I think we can agree MC is the better protoss.


You're correct. MC is the best Protoss in the world, and MVP has not had as much success in TvP as other matchups. However, look at it from MVP's mindset. They are both two-time GSL champions and MC has openly challenged him. If I was MVP, I'd be excited to play this match. If he loses, a decent number of people will expect it given his TvP. But if he wins, he's all of a sudden got some of the best TvP in the world, and he just made MC look silly for picking him. I feel like its a low risk - high reward pay out from him, given that the majority are favoring MC over him.

That being said, I hope MC destroys him and shows climbs the Blizzcon rankings.




Anyone can lose a game to Kiwi, that is not a big deal.
But I do hope Mc destroys MVP. Considered that TVP is MVP's worst matchup and if the best toss can not defeat him, I do not know if the game is balanced.


It's also a Bo1...what, when Zenio beat MVP last season, is ZvT suddenly unbalanced because a mediocre ZvT player beat a top TvZ player? One player might play well, and the other might not. Doesn't mean anything in terms of balance.

Edit: nor would anyone with a brain suddenly consider MVP to have the best TvP just because he beats MC once. Seriously...
isospeedrix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States215 Posts
August 02 2011 22:32 GMT
#2839
On August 02 2011 14:18 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 02 2011 01:20 Serelitz wrote:
On August 01 2011 19:07 sasobodynamic wrote:
MC's Master Plan.
1. Crush Terrans.
2. Crush IMMvp.
3. Crush NesTea.
4. Win GSL 3 times.
5. Profit.


It's more like

1. Pick MVP
2. Nestea and MC place 1st in groups, dodging eachother
3. MVP gets 2nd in his group and matches Nestea in the ro16.
4. MVP eliminates Nestea for MC (because MVP's TvP is 'meh' compared to his awesome TvZ while Nestea is probably the only player that's the heavy favourite over MC)
5. MC rolls on to win GSL without having to worry about Nestea
6. ???
7. PROFIT.


:o HE'S AN EVIL GENIUS


Oh my god if he thought this deep through then that WOULD be genius. And that wouldn't surprise me either.
http://www.youtube.com/isospeedrix
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-02 22:53:13
August 02 2011 22:50 GMT
#2840
Well in all likelihood Polt or MVP are going to try to 1-1-1 all-in MC anyway, and if he faces Noblesse he will for sure, so we're probably not even going to have good games. People talk about Polt beating MC but has Polt ever actually won any game against him in the mid-game or beyond without having crippled MC severely early on?

Luckily I imagine MC will probably be spending countless hours working on defending 1-1-1 all-ins this week and he may be able to show us something cool. I've seen mentions of some phoenix build that hardcounters it?
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
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