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Poebes
Netherlands192 Posts
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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RJGooner
United States2073 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:02 j4ckd4v13z wrote: He pulled 4 scvs. As we saw in the first game, he can't keep up late game even when equal early game. So it's all in/ cheese because if he does no damage he loses (4scvs behind) This is a good point, all the people saying it's not all-in forgot to realize that IdrA has a better mid and late game than Tarson so this was kind of all-in. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:05 Yamulo wrote: so sad to seed idra out, but i am really curious why people just come into this fanclub to bash other people. I mean Tarson played well, don't try to take away from it, and Idra will bounce back. I mean Jesus Idra is amazing you guys don't need to worry about that just don't bm players. This. People need to realize that this is the IdrA fanclub, not a place to hate on every player that beats him. | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
1) Go 2 raxx 2) flip a coin (zergs goes hatch first or not) If hatch first, make bunker and don't miss micro. /win | ||
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RJGooner
United States2073 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:05 Yamulo wrote: so sad to seed idra out, but i am really curious why people just come into this fanclub to bash other people. I mean Tarson played well, don't try to take away from it, and Idra will bounce back. I mean Jesus Idra is amazing you guys don't need to worry about that just don't bm players. I don't think Tarson played very well. Game 2 he played decent and IdrA mishandled it. Game 3 was just a BO win. | ||
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tangwhat
New Zealand446 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:05 Yamulo wrote: so sad to seed idra out, but i am really curious why people just come into this fanclub to bash other people. I mean Tarson played well, don't try to take away from it, and Idra will bounce back. I mean Jesus Idra is amazing you guys don't need to worry about that just don't bm players. But that's the thing he wasn't playing well. He was floating 600 minerals while bunker rushing off 2 rax. Tarson himself showed how well he could play against IdrA the 3 previous times they met. Let's not also forget when they met at IEM. If Tarson really played well there wouldn't really be any justification. Sure when IdrA loses to Zenio or MC idiots try to find any excuse but those times the other person really did play well. In this situation Tarson didn't show anything except desperation. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:06 RJGooner wrote: This is a good point, all the people saying it's not all-in forgot to realize that IdrA has a better mid and late game than Tarson so this was kind of all-in. The only way you lose straight up is if you do no damage, which is hard unless your opponent reacts perfectly and you screw up a bit of positioning, if both players play that situation out perfectly, it should come out fairly even, but with how many SCV's Tarson pulled, IdrA would likely have been ahead but it wouldn't have been a straight up loss unless he did absolutely no damage and fucked up majorly, which he didn't really do. On June 26 2011 06:07 RJGooner wrote: I don't think Tarson played very well. Game 2 he played decent and IdrA mishandled it. Game 3 was just a BO win. Game 3 wasn't a BO win, it was IdrA keeling to a standard 2 rax bunker rush. You can defend it with what IdrA had, he just sacked a ton of drones and responded poorly. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:07 kiy0 wrote: Another testament on how faceroll Terran can be. 1) Go 2 raxx 2) flip a coin (zergs goes hatch first or not) If hatch first, make bunker and don't miss micro. /win false, you can hold a bunker rush when going 15 hatch. idra fucked up. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:06 RJGooner wrote: This is a good point, all the people saying it's not all-in forgot to realize that IdrA has a better mid and late game than Tarson so this was kind of all-in. 4scvs pulled is all-in? I know you guys try to defend IdrA but don't be ridiculous. | ||
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_vk_
219 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:05 Poebes wrote: Can somone give a summary of the last 2 games. My stream went black one these. I heard Tarson cheesed both games. Anywhere vods? Game 2 - Dual Sight, Reactor hellion into banshee. IdrA has two queens, hellions kill one of them, the other one is low on HP, gets one-shotted by the banshee. Game 3 - Shattered Temple, 2rax bunker rush vs 15 hatch. IdrA doesn't defend very well (some are arguing he actually defended poorly--i.e. not nearly as well as a player of his caliber sholud; I'm sort of on the edge, leaning towards agreeing), lets a bunker go up. | ||
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RJGooner
United States2073 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:10 cyclone25 wrote: 4scvs pulled is all-in? I know you guys try to defend IdrA but don't be ridiculous. If IdrA holds that off you really think he's losing given Game 1? | ||
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lFrost
United States295 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:06 RJGooner wrote: This is a good point, all the people saying it's not all-in forgot to realize that IdrA has a better mid and late game than Tarson so this was kind of all-in. so you determine whether a build is all-in or not by looking at the skill level of the other player? ... 2rax bunker opening is very standard, you see it all the time on high level ladder - even if the bunker rush failed the terran could still be ahead if the zerg takes a lot of losses or overmakes lings. idra made a huge mistake this game in being very greedy by not drone scouting early, and more importantly not placing his 2nd overlord over his natural expansion. thats why in his initial reaction he only had 4 drones to attack with which he was already transferring to his nat for mining. if he had pulled 10 drones the moment the bunker came down he would have been fine but with no overlord, his response was bad. | ||
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tangwhat
New Zealand446 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:09 MonsieurGrimm wrote: false, you can hold a bunker rush when going 15 hatch. idra fucked up. This is true as well. I've seen IdrA hold off 2 rax expertly tons of time, I consider him one of the best at stopping them, it's just that in this case he was tilting. The commentators even pointed out how he started game 3 immediately after gg'ing out of game 2. In all honesty it doesn't really mean much that IdrA lost but in the moment a lot of the fans will obviously be quite upset that he lost to someone who has proven to be better than(in BW and SC2). | ||
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:13 RJGooner wrote: If IdrA holds that off you really think he's losing given Game 1? Do you think IdrA can hold a push like that without taking any loses himself? Tarson doesn't have bronze micro and would have done a lot of damage anyway. | ||
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ShampooSuicide
United States58 Posts
Game 2 he decided to defend with only 1 spin, his 2 queens, and a few lings. If he would have put a second spine up or maybe make a few more queens he would have been fine. There were 800 mins invested in those hellions but he was to greedy to put down the extra spine to stop it. It is very common for terrans to follow hellion harass with banshee harass. Many target the queen just for this and that is what Tarson did. Game 3 He had a good surround on the first few marines but he should have left 1 drone/ling on the scv so the bunkers didn't go up maybe pull a few more drones. Sometimes Idra gets to macro freely and is amazing looking other times he plays to greedy and it doesn't go his way. | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
On June 26 2011 06:18 mewby wrote: its sad to see someone so good that will never really have success until his attitude changes What are you saying? He fucked up and lost the game. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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freezaa
Germany88 Posts
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