On April 03 2011 15:09 Gotmog wrote:
I think it was over anyway...

He didn't have ANYTHING left with which to remax...
~300/300 resources...can't do anything with that.

I just watched that games ... Idra is such a beast. I don't even care anymore if he is winning his games or not. He is outclassing his opponents by such a huge margin.
If blizz ever balances out zerg, they will have to balance it out specially for Idra, there is maybe 3 ppl in Eu/NA who can compete with him. (in a balanced, less volatile game)

this is so true. when you watch the small stuff, holy mother of god hes good!!

When zergs balanced, fuckings tourny wins left right and center. his skill level is lightyears ahead of any terrans or protoss's

This game is not about mechanics and will never be, if he wants to outplay people with his mechanic then he has to quit sc2 and return in bw. It's all about outsmarting your opponent, try to take an advantage and secure it.

mechanics are still a HUGE part of the game. If you get an advantage, how to you punish your opponent for it? flawless mechanics.

and its not as if he just follows BO to a t and doesnt think. Hes smart and knows the game.

I didn't say mechanics are not part of the game or he isn't smart. Obviously Idra is a great player no doubt about that. But at pro lvl, everybody has great mechanics (in sc2) and game sens.

But in sc2 with the actual state of the game you cannot think i'm gonna beat X top player player with my flawless mechanics, it's just completely wrong, the game has not a huge skill ceiling, so you have to find other ways to win against top players and not just ima outmacro him or outmultitask him, etc.

It could be true with a game with huge skill cap like bw, but not in sc2. So i think if Idra wants to become the top of the top he has to more analyse the players he faces, identify their style and weakness and prepare for it and not just think he can beat them with pure skill, game sens, etc.

he has to change his mindset.

my 2 cents

The skill cieling in sc2 is as high as in BW.. just atm balance is a bit funky and BO's arent completely sorted out. when a bit more balancing occurs and strat counters are figured out, whats going to seperate the best player from the 2nd best? mechanics.

Saying that sc2 has a low skill cap is silly, it still takes over 400apm to play flawlessly. Even the koreans are playing pretty poorly atm. (compared to BW) when we see players get A LOT better, youll start to see mechanics deciding games, and mechanics seperating the best from the rest

TROOOOLLLLLLL.

BW is much harder than SC2, the mechanics alone prove that. To just macro properly it requires much more practice and skill. Unit AI is retarded as well in BW making micro much harder, and requires much more knowledge of the game.

This is like saying playing billiards with cubes is harder. Or to be less absurd, it's like saying playing with bent cue sticks is harder. Yea, it's true but...how else could you make SC harder? Requiring players to use ball mice? This BW is harder therefore better crap is getting old--just like the game did years ago. I'll agree it's still very entertaining to watch, but it is not the future.

Idra GL today. Please don't do anything stupid. Isn't the tournament worth more than your pride?

Seldon

90 Posts

April 03 2011 15:07 GMT

#6462

On April 03 2011 23:53 Ansinjunger wrote:
This is like saying playing billiards with cubes is harder. Or to be less absurd, it's like saying playing with bent cue sticks is harder. Yea, it's true but...how else could you make SC harder? Requiring players to use ball mice? This BW is harder therefore better crap is getting old--just like the game did years ago. I'll agree it's still very entertaining to watch, but it is not the future.

Idra GL today. Please don't do anything stupid. Isn't the tournament worth more than your pride?

I agree that crippling the micro is not the best way of creating a skill gap, but there are many small things that you could still do that do not involve handicapping the UI or the AI. Example: reduce the energy of orbital commands so that you only have enough for two mules. Not saying this would be good for balance but it would be a way to make it harder without removing any comfort.

askTeivospy

1525 Posts

April 03 2011 15:16 GMT

#6463

BW is much harder than SC2 because it was harder to build and control your units than it is in SC2....

Dedi

Switzerland46 Posts

April 03 2011 15:29 GMT

#6464

Fight more!

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

April 03 2011 15:51 GMT

#6465

On April 04 2011 00:16 Teivospy wrote:
BW is much harder than SC2 because it was harder to build and control your units than it is in SC2....

thats exactly what they are saying though

saying that there was more strats, more micro intensive are legit arguements you can try and make.

but claiming BW is harder AND THEREFORE better because its like playing snooker/pool with cubes is retarded.

Ashera

Canada202 Posts

April 03 2011 15:54 GMT

#6466

Cmon Idra, show us the magic.

Shoggoth

England75 Posts

April 03 2011 16:01 GMT

#6467

On April 04 2011 00:54 Ashera wrote:
Cmon Idra, show us the magic.

yeah! we believe in you idra! so what if you dont say GG your not korean(who are well mannered) neither do you have tobe mannered to play SC, who you are is you! i dont say GG if i thought a game was bullshit, thats not a good game to me