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Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
March 07 2012 09:06 GMT
#36321
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
March 07 2012 09:07 GMT
#36322
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

I remember the old standard was Hydra + Infestor. What happened to that? =/
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
March 07 2012 09:08 GMT
#36323
shit guys
really hope idra advances.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 09:10:57
March 07 2012 09:10 GMT
#36324
On March 07 2012 18:07 VashTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

I remember the old standard was Hydra + Infestor. What happened to that? =/

they switch to collosus and win

if you make Hydras against toss you either do tons of damage or it was an all-in

really wish IdrA had gotten his mutas out of there pretty pissed the casters didnt show such important action at all, where is split screen when you need it

On March 07 2012 18:08 tragedy wrote:
shit guys
really hope idra advances.

im pretty sure Real was the biggest threat in the group so the worst is over
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
March 07 2012 09:12 GMT
#36325
On March 07 2012 18:10 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:07 VashTS wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

I remember the old standard was Hydra + Infestor. What happened to that? =/

they switch to collosus and win

if you make Hydras against toss you either do tons of damage or it was an all-in

really wish IdrA had gotten his mutas out of there pretty pissed the casters didnt show such important action at all, where is split screen when you need it

Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:08 tragedy wrote:
shit guys
really hope idra advances.

im pretty sure Real was the biggest threat in the group so the worst is over


Feast is probably better than Real, Supernova is better than IdrA right now (if he playes his best), Kas has a winning record against him recently and Darkforce is really good at ZvZ.

So, no, the worst isn't over yet.
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
March 07 2012 09:13 GMT
#36326
lol if i learned anything being a idra fan over these last 3something years.
It is never "worst is over" with idra :D

But i do believe he should still advance.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 07 2012 09:15 GMT
#36327
On March 07 2012 18:12 walklightwhat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:10 Forikorder wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:07 VashTS wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

I remember the old standard was Hydra + Infestor. What happened to that? =/

they switch to collosus and win

if you make Hydras against toss you either do tons of damage or it was an all-in

really wish IdrA had gotten his mutas out of there pretty pissed the casters didnt show such important action at all, where is split screen when you need it

On March 07 2012 18:08 tragedy wrote:
shit guys
really hope idra advances.

im pretty sure Real was the biggest threat in the group so the worst is over


Feast is probably better than Real, Supernova is better than IdrA right now (if he playes his best), Kas has a winning record against him recently and Darkforce is really good at ZvZ.

So, no, the worst isn't over yet.

supernova and Kas couldnt scuff idras shoes, kas is a foreigner and supernova isnt at the level taht could take out IdrAs ZvT and darkforce might be a problem but not because hes dark force becuase its ZvZ if dark force doesnt beat IdrA in the early game idra will roll him
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
March 07 2012 09:15 GMT
#36328
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

Why the hell does Idra keep going Hydra's isn't Roach Hydra something you do if you want to lose to a Protoss. Literally I've seen like out of 100 ZvP with roach hydra Zergs always lose like 70-80% of the time. Isn't Phoenix aggression easy to handle anyway, like I thought people stopped doing it a long time ago after zergs realised that the counter to that was Queens, Drones and Spores?
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
March 07 2012 09:16 GMT
#36329
People always seem to step it up when facing idra more so than anyone else.
Still, Idra as of late, even in losses has been looking really good.

I can't help think to myself Idra's playstyle was catered to the complaints of protosses hating muta roach despite having obvious means to deal with it
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
qurewka
Profile Joined January 2012
Poland21 Posts
March 07 2012 09:17 GMT
#36330
GL&HF on IEM

0-5/ 0/10

User was temp banned for this post.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
March 07 2012 09:19 GMT
#36331
On March 07 2012 18:17 qurewka wrote:
GL&HF on IEM

0-5/ 0/10

Another child. GTFO plz.

User was temp banned for this post.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 07 2012 09:20 GMT
#36332
On March 07 2012 18:15 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

Why the hell does Idra keep going Hydra's isn't Roach Hydra something you do if you want to lose to a Protoss. Literally I've seen like out of 100 ZvP with roach hydra Zergs always lose like 70-80% of the time. Isn't Phoenix aggression easy to handle anyway, like I thought people stopped doing it a long time ago after zergs realised that the counter to that was Queens, Drones and Spores?

then protoss realised there deathball wrecks everything
then zerg realised that mutas are the only hope
then protoss realised if they get a good chunk like real did (10+) then the Zerg has 2 chocies, get hydras and lose get infesters and lose or go mutas and lose

idra tryd to hit a timing before collosi got out and jsut barely failed in killing the third
and in game 2 well never know becuase the casters are terrible and focused on the wrong action
Lefaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland313 Posts
March 07 2012 09:20 GMT
#36333
On March 07 2012 18:19 VashTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:17 qurewka wrote:
GL&HF on IEM

0-5/ 0/10

Another child. GTFO plz.


As sad that is i kind of agree with him, but i really hope im wrong
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
March 07 2012 09:21 GMT
#36334
On March 07 2012 18:15 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

Why the hell does Idra keep going Hydra's isn't Roach Hydra something you do if you want to lose to a Protoss. Literally I've seen like out of 100 ZvP with roach hydra Zergs always lose like 70-80% of the time. Isn't Phoenix aggression easy to handle anyway, like I thought people stopped doing it a long time ago after zergs realised that the counter to that was Queens, Drones and Spores?

Unless you add drops.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Frumpysnoo
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States247 Posts
March 07 2012 09:21 GMT
#36335
I know he was behind, and pretty broke, but I think he should have gotten an Infestation pit over an extra Muta. A couple infestors with fungal would have allowed his Mutas to clean up the Phoenix count and give him air control. No air control = no Broodlords, which he more than likely had in mind.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 07 2012 09:22 GMT
#36336
On March 07 2012 18:21 Frumpysnoo wrote:
I know he was behind, and pretty broke, but I think he should have gotten an Infestation pit over an extra Muta. A couple infestors with fungal would have allowed his Mutas to clean up the Phoenix count and give him air control. No air control = no Broodlords, which he more than likely had in mind.

oh ya and in your magical world of perfection im sure his third would ahve turned into a planetary when real attacked and his drones could ahve reparied it and won him the game
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
March 07 2012 09:27 GMT
#36337
On March 07 2012 18:20 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:15 lisward wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

Why the hell does Idra keep going Hydra's isn't Roach Hydra something you do if you want to lose to a Protoss. Literally I've seen like out of 100 ZvP with roach hydra Zergs always lose like 70-80% of the time. Isn't Phoenix aggression easy to handle anyway, like I thought people stopped doing it a long time ago after zergs realised that the counter to that was Queens, Drones and Spores?

then protoss realised there deathball wrecks everything
then zerg realised that mutas are the only hope
then protoss realised if they get a good chunk like real did (10+) then the Zerg has 2 chocies, get hydras and lose get infesters and lose or go mutas and lose

idra tryd to hit a timing before collosi got out and jsut barely failed in killing the third
and in game 2 well never know becuase the casters are terrible and focused on the wrong action

You shouldn't be too harsh on the casters though. If i'm not mistaken they are having problems with their mouse because their mouse isn't connected directly to the comp or smth so it lags like fuck and they cant observe properly, at least that's what they've been saying the whole of yesterday
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 07 2012 09:28 GMT
#36338
On March 07 2012 18:27 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:20 Forikorder wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:15 lisward wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:06 Makura wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:02 TheLunaticMonk wrote:
The Phoenix Count was just way too high... Even if he had gotten hydras out he would never have gotten a hydra count big enough to straight out kill the phoenix. It's not the econ that he was behind in. It was his tech. Its not really possible to come back from that situation


This is correct I believe, roach infestor tech is seemingly the only option if the protoss open phoenix as going mutas is obviously out of the question and hydras vs phoenix is laughable unless numbers are REALLY in hydra's favor

Why the hell does Idra keep going Hydra's isn't Roach Hydra something you do if you want to lose to a Protoss. Literally I've seen like out of 100 ZvP with roach hydra Zergs always lose like 70-80% of the time. Isn't Phoenix aggression easy to handle anyway, like I thought people stopped doing it a long time ago after zergs realised that the counter to that was Queens, Drones and Spores?

then protoss realised there deathball wrecks everything
then zerg realised that mutas are the only hope
then protoss realised if they get a good chunk like real did (10+) then the Zerg has 2 chocies, get hydras and lose get infesters and lose or go mutas and lose

idra tryd to hit a timing before collosi got out and jsut barely failed in killing the third
and in game 2 well never know becuase the casters are terrible and focused on the wrong action

You shouldn't be too harsh on the casters though. If i'm not mistaken they are having problems with their mouse because their mouse isn't connected directly to the comp or smth so it lags like fuck and they cant observe properly, at least that's what they've been saying the whole of yesterday

they seemed able to keep u[ on the battle at idras base jsut had to click over to reals base and show that battle
Frumpysnoo
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States247 Posts
March 07 2012 09:28 GMT
#36339
On March 07 2012 18:22 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2012 18:21 Frumpysnoo wrote:
I know he was behind, and pretty broke, but I think he should have gotten an Infestation pit over an extra Muta. A couple infestors with fungal would have allowed his Mutas to clean up the Phoenix count and give him air control. No air control = no Broodlords, which he more than likely had in mind.

oh ya and in your magical world of perfection im sure his third would ahve turned into a planetary when real attacked and his drones could ahve reparied it and won him the game


Not sure what's magical or perfect about getting an Infestation pit over an extra Muta. I suppose abandoning ever killing the Phoenixes but instead tech switching Hydra against Phoenix, Chargelot and Archon was a better option. Yea.
MightyDrKiller
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany82 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-07 09:34:47
March 07 2012 09:29 GMT
#36340
EDIT: NVM, the offender was banned too now. Post pointless now xD
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