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On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:
Edit: @Kvlt
Isn't Demuslim considered one of the better Foreign Terrans?
He is, but since Greg has spent a total of three months in Korea should mean that he should be leagues above him. At least atm.
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On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 11:29 JimCarry wrote:
I just had to make an account to comment on this, Idra was ahead with 6 drones, behind by 5 supply. >>>> This is far from unrecoverable.
IdrA is just mad that he was once a great player but couldnt keep up with the rest of the world. I know the feeling
User was banned for this post. Clearly somebody didn't watch the game at all. On February 22 2012 11:22 LostFaction wrote:
This is starting to become pathetic.
Pointing Lag as an excuse is complete BS. If Idra is really not confident in his play, he should just sit out.
Pulling a Naniwa several games in a row is just stupid. And for the record, it was not a 100% lost game, i have seen zergs make a comeback in a much worst situations.
How is lag not an excuse playing cross-server? EVERYBODY complains about cross-server lag. =/ Also, please please PLEASE show a Zerg come back from a much worse situation. Pretty please! While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in.
ZvZ =/= ZvP
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First I head of Sheth was Idra calling him good on either SotG or ITG. So technically Idra was right and I'll take that as a small victory. Small victories like this one keep me sane whilst reading this thread.
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On February 22 2012 12:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 11:29 JimCarry wrote:
I just had to make an account to comment on this, Idra was ahead with 6 drones, behind by 5 supply. >>>> This is far from unrecoverable.
IdrA is just mad that he was once a great player but couldnt keep up with the rest of the world. I know the feeling
User was banned for this post. Clearly somebody didn't watch the game at all. On February 22 2012 11:22 LostFaction wrote:
This is starting to become pathetic.
Pointing Lag as an excuse is complete BS. If Idra is really not confident in his play, he should just sit out.
Pulling a Naniwa several games in a row is just stupid. And for the record, it was not a 100% lost game, i have seen zergs make a comeback in a much worst situations.
How is lag not an excuse playing cross-server? EVERYBODY complains about cross-server lag. =/ Also, please please PLEASE show a Zerg come back from a much worse situation. Pretty please! While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in. ZvZ =/= ZvP
Totally aware. I'm not saying Idra left early. He was dead.
On the other hand, I don't think Idra would have stayed in a game like the State/Ret one.
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On February 22 2012 12:38 antihobo wrote:
First I head of Sheth was Idra calling him good on either SotG or ITG. So technically Idra was right and I'll take that as a small victory. Small victories like this one keep me sane whilst reading this thread.
Sheth/IdrA are close friends. So, yeah. No hard feelings.
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On February 22 2012 12:38 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 12:33 Forikorder wrote:On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 11:29 JimCarry wrote:
I just had to make an account to comment on this, Idra was ahead with 6 drones, behind by 5 supply. >>>> This is far from unrecoverable.
IdrA is just mad that he was once a great player but couldnt keep up with the rest of the world. I know the feeling
User was banned for this post. Clearly somebody didn't watch the game at all. On February 22 2012 11:22 LostFaction wrote:
This is starting to become pathetic.
Pointing Lag as an excuse is complete BS. If Idra is really not confident in his play, he should just sit out.
Pulling a Naniwa several games in a row is just stupid. And for the record, it was not a 100% lost game, i have seen zergs make a comeback in a much worst situations.
How is lag not an excuse playing cross-server? EVERYBODY complains about cross-server lag. =/ Also, please please PLEASE show a Zerg come back from a much worse situation. Pretty please! While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in. ZvZ =/= ZvP Totally aware. I'm not saying Idra left early. He was dead. On the other hand, I don't think Idra would have stayed in a game like the State/Ret one.
IdrA was in a far far far worse state
protoss late game armies are really powerful and can do alot of damage
now if state had been on 2 base VS rets 3 and ret had jsut barrelled down the front of states FFE with roachs and was about to start eating the mineral line, THEN it would be a similar situation
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In this exact game v Sheth, yes, Idra was in a worse position, because he was dead. On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.
Edit: From the perspective of State, he was also dead. Only a mistake by Ret let him come back, and he almost won.
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On February 22 2012 12:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.
1700 pages of that actually, but thanks for reminding everyone.
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On February 22 2012 12:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
In this exact game v Sheth, yes, Idra was in a worse position, because he was dead. On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.
Edit: From the perspective of State, he was also dead. Only a mistake by Ret let him come back, and he almost won.
The notion that Idra leaves games early stays alive through the discussion coming up after EVERY single loss. The guy cant lose a game without someone saying he left early.
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I would not be surprised if he is revamping his play style, which would explain the current "don't really care" attitude. Barring depression, he doesn't strike me as the type of person who would just permanently roll over and give up.
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On February 22 2012 12:53 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 12:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
In this exact game v Sheth, yes, Idra was in a worse position, because he was dead. On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.
Edit: From the perspective of State, he was also dead. Only a mistake by Ret let him come back, and he almost won. The notion that Idra leaves games early stays alive through the discussion coming up after EVERY single loss. The guy cant lose a game without someone saying he left early.
Vash directly asked for an example of a Zerg coming back from a bad position. Artosis had literally just finished going over a replay where Ret had just lost four bases and had a ball of stalkers and collosus in one of his only two remaining bases, yet won. That's the connection I'm making. I've said multiple times that I don't think he left early in the game against Sheth. Other posters are putting words in my mouth.
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On February 22 2012 12:58 Crake_ wrote:
I would not be surprised if he is revamping his play style, which would explain the current "don't really care" attitude. Barring depression, he doesn't strike me as the type of person who would just permanently roll over and give up.
I really hope that's true. Hopefully he's saving the new, good stuff for MLG Winter Arena.
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On February 22 2012 13:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 12:53 Mycl wrote:On February 22 2012 12:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
In this exact game v Sheth, yes, Idra was in a worse position, because he was dead. On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.
Edit: From the perspective of State, he was also dead. Only a mistake by Ret let him come back, and he almost won. The notion that Idra leaves games early stays alive through the discussion coming up after EVERY single loss. The guy cant lose a game without someone saying he left early. Vash directly asked for an example of a Zerg coming back from a bad position. Artosis had literally just finished going over a replay where Ret had just lost four bases and had a ball of stalkers and collosus in one of his only two remaining bases, yet won. That's the connection I'm making. I've said multiple times that I don't think he left early in the game against Sheth. Other posters are putting words in my mouth.
My comment was more directed at the 'On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.' I would say its actually not all that often he leaves games that he shouldn't. It just seems like that because its such a strong discussion point after every loss. Just going by his Lan performances this year which were the Code S and A games. I didn't give a second thought to any of his GG timings.
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Personally, I find that every time IdrA says GG and leaves it actually was GG. As Mycl said, he has impeccable GG timings.
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On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 11:29 JimCarry wrote:
I just had to make an account to comment on this, Idra was ahead with 6 drones, behind by 5 supply. >>>> This is far from unrecoverable.
IdrA is just mad that he was once a great player but couldnt keep up with the rest of the world. I know the feeling
User was banned for this post. Clearly somebody didn't watch the game at all. On February 22 2012 11:22 LostFaction wrote:
This is starting to become pathetic.
Pointing Lag as an excuse is complete BS. If Idra is really not confident in his play, he should just sit out.
Pulling a Naniwa several games in a row is just stupid. And for the record, it was not a 100% lost game, i have seen zergs make a comeback in a much worst situations.
How is lag not an excuse playing cross-server? EVERYBODY complains about cross-server lag. =/ Also, please please PLEASE show a Zerg come back from a much worse situation. Pretty please! While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in.
Well if it's not a much worse situation, who cares? =p
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On February 22 2012 13:14 VashTS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 11:29 JimCarry wrote:
I just had to make an account to comment on this, Idra was ahead with 6 drones, behind by 5 supply. >>>> This is far from unrecoverable.
IdrA is just mad that he was once a great player but couldnt keep up with the rest of the world. I know the feeling
User was banned for this post. Clearly somebody didn't watch the game at all. On February 22 2012 11:22 LostFaction wrote:
This is starting to become pathetic.
Pointing Lag as an excuse is complete BS. If Idra is really not confident in his play, he should just sit out.
Pulling a Naniwa several games in a row is just stupid. And for the record, it was not a 100% lost game, i have seen zergs make a comeback in a much worst situations.
How is lag not an excuse playing cross-server? EVERYBODY complains about cross-server lag. =/ Also, please please PLEASE show a Zerg come back from a much worse situation. Pretty please! While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in. Well if it's not a much worse situation, who cares? =p
Well, it's hard to be 'much worse' than "dead unless he massively effs up." That situation doesn't exist unless the player in question is Fantasy.
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i'm missing idras stream, he spoiled us too much in the last weeks 
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On February 22 2012 13:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 13:14 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote:On February 22 2012 11:29 JimCarry wrote:
I just had to make an account to comment on this, Idra was ahead with 6 drones, behind by 5 supply. >>>> This is far from unrecoverable.
IdrA is just mad that he was once a great player but couldnt keep up with the rest of the world. I know the feeling
User was banned for this post. Clearly somebody didn't watch the game at all. On February 22 2012 11:22 LostFaction wrote:
This is starting to become pathetic.
Pointing Lag as an excuse is complete BS. If Idra is really not confident in his play, he should just sit out.
Pulling a Naniwa several games in a row is just stupid. And for the record, it was not a 100% lost game, i have seen zergs make a comeback in a much worst situations.
How is lag not an excuse playing cross-server? EVERYBODY complains about cross-server lag. =/ Also, please please PLEASE show a Zerg come back from a much worse situation. Pretty please! While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in. Well if it's not a much worse situation, who cares? =p Well, it's hard to be 'much worse' than "dead unless he massively effs up." That situation doesn't exist unless the player in question is Fantasy.
Apparently, using that joke is supposed to prompt to say: Well played, Sir.
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ZvZ is very volatile and playing ZvZ in latency is probably unplayable. Please do not hate on Idra for this, thank you.
Edit: Not taking anything away from Sheth's win, I'm just saying that there's probably a reason Idra didn't stay in the game at a disadvantage.
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