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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On February 22 2012 11:58 VashTS wrote: Edit: @Kvlt Isn't Demuslim considered one of the better Foreign Terrans? He is, but since Greg has spent a total of three months in Korea should mean that he should be leagues above him. At least atm. | ||
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sephibot
France20 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote: While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in. ZvZ =/= ZvP | ||
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antihobo
Canada121 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
Totally aware. I'm not saying Idra left early. He was dead. On the other hand, I don't think Idra would have stayed in a game like the State/Ret one. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:38 antihobo wrote: First I head of Sheth was Idra calling him good on either SotG or ITG. So technically Idra was right and I'll take that as a small victory. Small victories like this one keep me sane whilst reading this thread. Sheth/IdrA are close friends. So, yeah. No hard feelings. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:38 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Totally aware. I'm not saying Idra left early. He was dead. On the other hand, I don't think Idra would have stayed in a game like the State/Ret one. IdrA was in a far far far worse state protoss late game armies are really powerful and can do alot of damage now if state had been on 2 base VS rets 3 and ret had jsut barrelled down the front of states FFE with roachs and was about to start eating the mineral line, THEN it would be a similar situation | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
Edit: From the perspective of State, he was also dead. Only a mistake by Ret let him come back, and he almost won. | ||
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antihobo
Canada121 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote: On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't. 1700 pages of that actually, but thanks for reminding everyone. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:46 LuckoftheIrish wrote: In this exact game v Sheth, yes, Idra was in a worse position, because he was dead. On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't. Edit: From the perspective of State, he was also dead. Only a mistake by Ret let him come back, and he almost won. The notion that Idra leaves games early stays alive through the discussion coming up after EVERY single loss. The guy cant lose a game without someone saying he left early. | ||
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Crake_
United States74 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:53 Mycl wrote: The notion that Idra leaves games early stays alive through the discussion coming up after EVERY single loss. The guy cant lose a game without someone saying he left early. Vash directly asked for an example of a Zerg coming back from a bad position. Artosis had literally just finished going over a replay where Ret had just lost four bases and had a ball of stalkers and collosus in one of his only two remaining bases, yet won. That's the connection I'm making. I've said multiple times that I don't think he left early in the game against Sheth. Other posters are putting words in my mouth. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:58 Crake_ wrote: I would not be surprised if he is revamping his play style, which would explain the current "don't really care" attitude. Barring depression, he doesn't strike me as the type of person who would just permanently roll over and give up. I really hope that's true. Hopefully he's saving the new, good stuff for MLG Winter Arena. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:03 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Vash directly asked for an example of a Zerg coming back from a bad position. Artosis had literally just finished going over a replay where Ret had just lost four bases and had a ball of stalkers and collosus in one of his only two remaining bases, yet won. That's the connection I'm making. I've said multiple times that I don't think he left early in the game against Sheth. Other posters are putting words in my mouth. My comment was more directed at the 'On the other hand I don't think anyone can deny that Idra often leaves games that he shouldn't.' I would say its actually not all that often he leaves games that he shouldn't. It just seems like that because its such a strong discussion point after every loss. Just going by his Lan performances this year which were the Code S and A games. I didn't give a second thought to any of his GG timings. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On February 22 2012 12:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote: While it's not a 'much worse situation,' the game between Ret and State Artosis just did was one I could definitely have seen Idra GGing out of. If you didn't see it, Ret had the entire top half of Antiga while State was down to long-range mining from the third to the gold. Ret threw away an overwhelming advantage and State's sentry/stalker/immortal/collosus ball rolled through his third, natural, main and gold and did a lot of damage to one of his remaining bases. Ret was able to rally together enough roaches to snipe the sentries, Immortals and Collosi, and held against a sentry/stalker/probe all-in. Well if it's not a much worse situation, who cares? =p | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:14 VashTS wrote: Well if it's not a much worse situation, who cares? =p Well, it's hard to be 'much worse' than "dead unless he massively effs up." That situation doesn't exist unless the player in question is Fantasy. | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:23 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Well, it's hard to be 'much worse' than "dead unless he massively effs up." That situation doesn't exist unless the player in question is Fantasy. Apparently, using that joke is supposed to prompt to say: Well played, Sir. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Edit: Not taking anything away from Sheth's win, I'm just saying that there's probably a reason Idra didn't stay in the game at a disadvantage. | ||
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