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On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out  I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene.
Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check).
DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game.
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On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game.
Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene.
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On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game.
Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to.
Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots.
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On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene.
Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +.
There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good
+ Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol"
On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots.
Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler +
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and holy shit, Idra just lost to some unknown! Everyone has bad tournaments, and we can't just look away from the fact that Stephano won IPL3 recently, and that Grubby has been training in Korea.
It won't get us anywhere to try to force our opinions on others, and WC3 was a good game in its own right. It all comes down to opinions.
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SC2 replaced W3... Yeah, I'm done. Sorry for swinging the topic away from Idra yet again; I should know better.
Idra's potential schedule until the end of the year:
November:
- 04-05 RoG, Finland (hasn't been officially invited yet but it seems very likely)
- 18-20 MLG Providence, USA
- 24-27 DreamHack Winter, Sweden (hasn't been announced yet... I guess he might miss it due to too much travelling
- GSL, South Korea? Apparently he's going to Korea in December but he is also playing in Code A... GSL Novermber should be the last one this year and Gom are yet to announce any dates. Really curious about this.
December:
- 02-04 NASL S2 Finals, USA (hasn't qualified yet)
- 08-11 WCG, South Korea (horrible organisation but still... what player doesn't dream for a gold medal from WCG?)
- GSL, South Korea?
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On October 23 2011 04:33 Aocowns wrote:
and holy shit, Idra just lost to some unknown! Everyone has bad tournaments, and we can't just look away from the fact that Stephano won IPL3 recently, and that Grubby has been training in Korea.
It won't get us anywhere to try to force our opinions on others, and WC3 was a good game in its own right. It all comes down to opinions.
Well, that's assuming that people can't like bad things. I'm not saying that people don't like WC3 or they shouldn't (trying to argue with people ignorant to refutation? no thanks) but it's dead.
Good games don't die, they spawn sequels (the sequels being good or not is a different discussion). Just like SC, just like DotA, just like Halo. Even with the amount of support WC3 got, it still died. I'm not saying Blizzard should have kept up but nobody else did. Nobody else looked and said, "Gee! This looks splendid and people enjoy it! We should emulate it and maybe even expand and improve upon it!". No, they gutted it and made DotA. That's just factually not a good game.
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On October 23 2011 04:23 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene. Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +. There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good . + Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol" Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots. Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler +
And Idra lost to livezerg 1 bo3 means nothing. If you cant see how good nerchio and especially Stephano is then you must be living on Mars
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On October 23 2011 04:40 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:33 Aocowns wrote:
and holy shit, Idra just lost to some unknown! Everyone has bad tournaments, and we can't just look away from the fact that Stephano won IPL3 recently, and that Grubby has been training in Korea.
It won't get us anywhere to try to force our opinions on others, and WC3 was a good game in its own right. It all comes down to opinions. Well, that's assuming that people can't like bad things. I'm not saying that people don't like WC3 or they shouldn't (trying to argue with people ignorant to refutation? no thanks) but it's dead. Good games don't die, they spawn sequels (the sequels being good or not is a different discussion). Just like SC, just like DotA, just like Halo. Even with the amount of support WC3 got, it still died. I'm not saying Blizzard should have kept up but nobody else did. Nobody else looked and said, "Gee! This looks splendid and people enjoy it! We should emulate it and maybe even expand and improve upon it!". No, they gutted it and made DotA. That's just factually not a good game.
Didnt WoW come from WC3? Sorry, I'm not sure which came first, but if WC3 spawned WoW.. WoW is pretty much one of the most successful games ever, despite how much I dislike it personally
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On October 23 2011 04:41 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:23 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene. Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +. There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good . + Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol" On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans. GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots. Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler + And Idra lost to livezerg 1 bo3 means nothing. If you cant see how good nerchio and especially Stephano is then you must be living on Mars
Idra lost a ZvZ. The Gods must be weeping. You do know there's an Iron Curtain in SC2 unless you're White-Ra/Dimaga/Brat_OK? LiveZerg also beat Darkforce to clinch his 2nd place seed in his group. Winning a ZvZ is like winning a coinflip. That's probably why Idra introduced the term coinflip to SC2.
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On October 23 2011 04:45 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:40 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:33 Aocowns wrote:
and holy shit, Idra just lost to some unknown! Everyone has bad tournaments, and we can't just look away from the fact that Stephano won IPL3 recently, and that Grubby has been training in Korea.
It won't get us anywhere to try to force our opinions on others, and WC3 was a good game in its own right. It all comes down to opinions. Well, that's assuming that people can't like bad things. I'm not saying that people don't like WC3 or they shouldn't (trying to argue with people ignorant to refutation? no thanks) but it's dead. Good games don't die, they spawn sequels (the sequels being good or not is a different discussion). Just like SC, just like DotA, just like Halo. Even with the amount of support WC3 got, it still died. I'm not saying Blizzard should have kept up but nobody else did. Nobody else looked and said, "Gee! This looks splendid and people enjoy it! We should emulate it and maybe even expand and improve upon it!". No, they gutted it and made DotA. That's just factually not a good game. Didnt WoW come from WC3? Sorry, I'm not sure which came first, but if WC3 spawned WoW.. WoW is pretty much one of the most successful games ever, despite how much I dislike it personally
Uh no. Blizzard made WoW to kill Everquest, which was huge and generating a lot of hype for MMOs. And WoW is generally accepted as one of the worst esports. We're talking about esports. I don't think you want to associate WoW with anything you want to promote as favorable.
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Kinda weird that people are being so negative towards IdrA. He had a great tournament, he lost a bo3 out of 6. Now he can rest for a good amount of time to start destroying more people again ^^. Also it's weird that people say that WC3 players are bad at SC2. There are no WC3 players playing SC2. Grubby is now a SC2 player. He hasn't been competing in WC3 for maybe a year now? He is not bad also.
Well this doesn't matter, this thread is about IdrA!
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Aocowns, Blizzard's main franchises are RTS and RPG (well, hack'n'slash) games.
1995: WarCraft II
1996: Diablo
1998: StarCraft
2000: Diablo II
2002: WarCraft III
2004: World of WarCraft
2010: StarCraft II
2012: Diablo III
See the pattern? WoW is set in the WarCraft universe but the story doesn't matter; it's the type of game that is important. Basically Blizzard want to have the leading RTS and the leading RPG.
When W3 was released, KeSPA picked it up and it was a massive thing in Korea for a while and, just like in SC:BW, they were dominating the scene. However, the battle for control between KeSPA and Blizzard escalated when it was revealed that KeSPA's leagues used modified versions of the maps, which were tinkering with the game balance (literally... imagine ghosts costing more gas on the maps used for GSL because Gom thought that would be better) and eventually resulted in shutting down the leagues. So the Koreans continued playing mostly SC:BW - with the exception of those who had already made careers out of W3 such as Moon and Lyn. However, the scene in China only grew larger and is still going strong. In 2008 Moon, the best W3 player of all time, signed a contract with WeMade FOX worth $500,000, which made him the best paid player in the history ESPORTS - a record that is yet to be broken.
However, with the announcement of SC2 Blizzard gradually withdrew all support for W3. DotA has nothing to do with anything; it was created by the community and gradually grew into a whole new genre that is not even close to RTS.
Now, after this brief lesson of ESPORTS history, let's stop paying attention to Hnngg until he calms down, please.
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On October 23 2011 04:40 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:33 Aocowns wrote:
and holy shit, Idra just lost to some unknown! Everyone has bad tournaments, and we can't just look away from the fact that Stephano won IPL3 recently, and that Grubby has been training in Korea.
It won't get us anywhere to try to force our opinions on others, and WC3 was a good game in its own right. It all comes down to opinions. Well, that's assuming that people can't like bad things. I'm not saying that people don't like WC3 or they shouldn't (trying to argue with people ignorant to refutation? no thanks) but it's dead. Good games don't die, they spawn sequels (the sequels being good or not is a different discussion). Just like SC, just like DotA, just like Halo. Even with the amount of support WC3 got, it still died. I'm not saying Blizzard should have kept up but nobody else did. Nobody else looked and said, "Gee! This looks splendid and people enjoy it! We should emulate it and maybe even expand and improve upon it!". No, they gutted it and made DotA. That's just factually not a good game.
I can't understand how aren't you banned for each of your last ten posts... That's incredible how much a troll can troll. I did see people banned for nothing and we let you saying all this shit !
You insult wc3 players !
You're such a parody of the "idra's close minded fanboy". You just don't help the reputation of this thread.
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On October 23 2011 05:48 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:40 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:33 Aocowns wrote:
and holy shit, Idra just lost to some unknown! Everyone has bad tournaments, and we can't just look away from the fact that Stephano won IPL3 recently, and that Grubby has been training in Korea.
It won't get us anywhere to try to force our opinions on others, and WC3 was a good game in its own right. It all comes down to opinions. Well, that's assuming that people can't like bad things. I'm not saying that people don't like WC3 or they shouldn't (trying to argue with people ignorant to refutation? no thanks) but it's dead. Good games don't die, they spawn sequels (the sequels being good or not is a different discussion). Just like SC, just like DotA, just like Halo. Even with the amount of support WC3 got, it still died. I'm not saying Blizzard should have kept up but nobody else did. Nobody else looked and said, "Gee! This looks splendid and people enjoy it! We should emulate it and maybe even expand and improve upon it!". No, they gutted it and made DotA. That's just factually not a good game. I can't understand how aren't you banned for each of your last ten posts... That's incredible how much a troll can troll. I did see people banned for nothing and we let you saying all this shit ! You insult wc3 players !
Shhhhh we're done talking about it, this is the Idra fanclub, we weren't talking about Idra (because of me).
For that I apologize.
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On October 23 2011 04:45 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 23 2011 04:23 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:
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Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans.
GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene. Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +. There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good . + Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol" On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:
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Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans.
GL to Idra at RoG, I guess... Assuming he's going, this would be one of his last chances for a revenge vs MC. Uhm what. MKP: maek mahreen Stephano: hahah no thanks Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it. Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon. Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots. Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler + And Idra lost to livezerg 1 bo3 means nothing. If you cant see how good nerchio and especially Stephano is then you must be living on Mars Idra lost a ZvZ. The Gods must be weeping. You do know there's an Iron Curtain in SC2 unless you're White-Ra/Dimaga/Brat_OK? LiveZerg also beat Darkforce to clinch his 2nd place seed in his group. Winning a ZvZ is like winning a coinflip. That's probably why Idra introduced the term coinflip to SC2.
Holy shit you clueless. What about Idra losing to Tri-master last MLG again or to morrow in the NASL. Like I sayd 1 or 2 bo3 means nothing. And it doesnt mean Morrow or Tri-Master is better then Idra. Just like it doesnt mean Boxer is better then Stephano just becuase he beat a very tired Stephano
And about ZvZ thats just so untrue you see the best ZvZ players win in ZvZ all the time Nestea,Nerchio etc
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On October 23 2011 02:11 xtfftc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote:
Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Loving a player more than the game is actually pretty sad. With MKP, Stephano, Mana and Grubby left this is a great tournament to watch, even for Idra fans.
Well, you don't really have the right to judge what someone enjoys. If I enjoyed poking a ball of cotton with a fork more than watching Stephano play, that's my opinion and that's all that matters.
Even if the sole reason a person watches is to watch IdrA, there's nothing wrong with that. Differences of opinion aren't "sad" no matter what you think. That's like saying a Flames fan is "sad" for not watching the games of every other team in the league, even if they're fine teams.
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On October 23 2011 05:55 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 04:45 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 23 2011 04:23 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:
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Uhm what.
MKP: maek mahreen
Stephano: hahah no thanks
Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it.
Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon.
Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene. Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +. There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good . + Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol" On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:On October 23 2011 03:17 Hnnngg wrote:
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Uhm what.
MKP: maek mahreen
Stephano: hahah no thanks
Mana: Couldn't even get out of group stages at IEM NY, not worth it.
Grubby: Team Grubby? C'mon.
Not even close to watchable in my opinion. Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots. Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler + And Idra lost to livezerg 1 bo3 means nothing. If you cant see how good nerchio and especially Stephano is then you must be living on Mars Idra lost a ZvZ. The Gods must be weeping. You do know there's an Iron Curtain in SC2 unless you're White-Ra/Dimaga/Brat_OK? LiveZerg also beat Darkforce to clinch his 2nd place seed in his group. Winning a ZvZ is like winning a coinflip. That's probably why Idra introduced the term coinflip to SC2. Holy shit you clueless. What about Idra losing to Tri-master last MLG again or to morrow in the NASL. Like I sayd 1 or 2 bo3 means nothing. And it doesnt mean Morrow or Tri-Master is better then Idra. Just like it doesnt mean Boxer is better then Stephano just becuase he beat a very tired Stephano And about ZvZ thats just so untrue you see the best ZvZ players win in ZvZ all the time Nestea,Nerchio etc
Yeah, Idra can lose games that are considered "early game". Yes, bo3 doesn't indicate who's better.
WELL IT'S A GOOD THING I DIDN'T SAY THAT. Holy cow, put words in my mouth PULEEZE.
I said Stephano LOST to Boxer. I didn't say Boxer was better.
And Nestea beats everyone, who the heck tries to compare Nestea to anyone but MVP? Nerchio might be good at ZvZ (who knows, he barely goes to anything), but he lost to Puma at IEM Cologne and lost to Grubby just a few hours ago.
Puma is awesome, but we all watched him get dominated by Idra. And I don't say dominated as in, "Oh Idra won a game.". No, Idra was not only the victor but a super strong victor. And Grubby has always been a mediocre Protoss, always.
So great, apparently Nerchio is good at ZvZ. Maybe they should have set him up against LiveZerg and Idra against Grubby so everyone can win.
EDIT: Idra said ZvZ was relatively a coinflip. Go try to argue with him if you disagree, not me.
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On October 23 2011 06:06 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 05:55 HappyChris wrote:On October 23 2011 04:45 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 23 2011 04:23 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:[quote] Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene. Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +. There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good . + Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol" On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:24 marttorn wrote:[quote] Uhm, I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. All of these players are extremely high level, Grubby especially has recently had training in Korea and was arguably the greatest WC3 player of all time (whether you like WC3 or not you can't argue the experience and skill translates over) If you think "maek mahreen" is the depth of MKP's play, that's completely silly, and an insult to one of the best. And stephano is one of the only really competitive foreigners (alongside IdrA and a few others), not to mention the reason you gave for not finding him "worth watching" was silly. Anyways, it's sad that IdrA is out I would of liked to see him grab another title, but luckily he proved at IEM and MLG that he is definitely in tip top shape~ fighting! Alright let's do this. I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots. Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler + And Idra lost to livezerg 1 bo3 means nothing. If you cant see how good nerchio and especially Stephano is then you must be living on Mars Idra lost a ZvZ. The Gods must be weeping. You do know there's an Iron Curtain in SC2 unless you're White-Ra/Dimaga/Brat_OK? LiveZerg also beat Darkforce to clinch his 2nd place seed in his group. Winning a ZvZ is like winning a coinflip. That's probably why Idra introduced the term coinflip to SC2. Holy shit you clueless. What about Idra losing to Tri-master last MLG again or to morrow in the NASL. Like I sayd 1 or 2 bo3 means nothing. And it doesnt mean Morrow or Tri-Master is better then Idra. Just like it doesnt mean Boxer is better then Stephano just becuase he beat a very tired Stephano And about ZvZ thats just so untrue you see the best ZvZ players win in ZvZ all the time Nestea,Nerchio etc Yeah, Idra can lose games that are considered "early game". Yes, bo3 doesn't indicate who's better. WELL IT'S A GOOD THING I DIDN'T SAY THAT. Holy cow, put words in my mouth PULEEZE. I said Stephano LOST to Boxer. I didn't say Boxer was better. And Nestea beats everyone, who the heck tries to compare Nestea to anyone but MVP? Nerchio might be good at ZvZ (who knows, he barely goes to anything), but he lost to Puma at IEM Cologne and lost to Grubby just a few hours ago. Puma is awesome, but we all watched him get dominated by Idra. And I don't say dominated as in, "Oh Idra won a game.". No, Idra was not only the victor but a super strong victor. And Grubby has always been a mediocre Protoss, always. So great, apparently Nerchio is good at ZvZ. Maybe they should have set him up against LiveZerg and Idra against Grubby so everyone can win. EDIT: Idra said ZvZ was relatively a coinflip. Go try to argue with him if you disagree, not me.
The fact is that Idra is one of the best players in the world in ZvT and ZvP but he hasn't find yet how to dominate the ZvZ as well as his other MU. And this his major weakness.
Stephano solved 2 months ago this weakness, now he seems completely dominating. This is how you see a "top top world class level" zerg, when he find he way to dominate ZvZ. Nerchio has strong ZvZ and i wouldnt give Idra favorite vs him. Now if Idra can have the Stephano's level ZvZ he can be outsdanding. But ZvZ is not a coinflip as soon as you perfectly understand it. Only few zergs in the world can say this but this is true.
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On October 23 2011 06:25 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2011 06:06 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 05:55 HappyChris wrote:On October 23 2011 04:45 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:41 HappyChris wrote:On October 23 2011 04:23 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:19 Zeborg wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:
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Alright let's do this.
I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Lol Nerchio and Stephano are probably 2 of the top 3 zergs in EU. Also i like people who judge a game's competitive scene without actually participating in the game's competitive scene. Lol Nerchio lost to Grubby and Stephano lost to Boxer, RECENTLY. If those are your Top 2 Zergs, I don't want to see the rest for the sake of my well-maintained mental state + Show Spoiler +. There's a reason WC3 died and nothing took it's place + Show Spoiler +Probably because WC3 wasn't so good . + Show Spoiler +I can't believe you made me sarcastically "lol" On October 23 2011 04:20 BrodiaQ wrote:On October 23 2011 04:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 23 2011 03:51 xtfftc wrote:On October 23 2011 03:33 Hnnngg wrote:
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Alright let's do this.
I think WC3 is bad, there's a reason DotA was made (because WC3 was bad). You don't see anybody trying to make a WC3 knockoff. So being good at a badgame is... moot. Kind of like Nadagast switching to SC2. ... From the top of my head... Naniwa, Stephano, Mana, Sase, Thorzain, DeMuslim, Nerchio, elfi, Hasuobs, Kiwikaki, Sjow, Check, Tod, Cloud... Yeah, right, being good at a "bad game" is moot. DotA is an entirely different genre and had absolutely nothing to do with the W3 competitive scene. Not exactly the best players, Naniwa and Demuslim are good, but everyone else? They're not Idra, they're not Huk, and they're not Korean (minus Check). DotA was made with the world editor (duh) of WC3. They literally made a game inside WC3 that was better than WC3. And it's not even in the same genre (as you said), but it, somehow (they removed the crappy parts of the game), is still better than WC3. That probably means WC3 is not a good game. Ignore this guy, obvious troll. That or a close minded person who it isn't worth replying to. Never having played WC3 before, I don't know much about it, but to all you wc3 guys its obviously a game that had skill that translated very well into sc2, no need to defend it against the idiots. Since when does having an unpopular opinion make me a troll? + Show Spoiler + And Idra lost to livezerg 1 bo3 means nothing. If you cant see how good nerchio and especially Stephano is then you must be living on Mars Idra lost a ZvZ. The Gods must be weeping. You do know there's an Iron Curtain in SC2 unless you're White-Ra/Dimaga/Brat_OK? LiveZerg also beat Darkforce to clinch his 2nd place seed in his group. Winning a ZvZ is like winning a coinflip. That's probably why Idra introduced the term coinflip to SC2. Holy shit you clueless. What about Idra losing to Tri-master last MLG again or to morrow in the NASL. Like I sayd 1 or 2 bo3 means nothing. And it doesnt mean Morrow or Tri-Master is better then Idra. Just like it doesnt mean Boxer is better then Stephano just becuase he beat a very tired Stephano And about ZvZ thats just so untrue you see the best ZvZ players win in ZvZ all the time Nestea,Nerchio etc Yeah, Idra can lose games that are considered "early game". Yes, bo3 doesn't indicate who's better. WELL IT'S A GOOD THING I DIDN'T SAY THAT. Holy cow, put words in my mouth PULEEZE. I said Stephano LOST to Boxer. I didn't say Boxer was better. And Nestea beats everyone, who the heck tries to compare Nestea to anyone but MVP? Nerchio might be good at ZvZ (who knows, he barely goes to anything), but he lost to Puma at IEM Cologne and lost to Grubby just a few hours ago. Puma is awesome, but we all watched him get dominated by Idra. And I don't say dominated as in, "Oh Idra won a game.". No, Idra was not only the victor but a super strong victor. And Grubby has always been a mediocre Protoss, always. So great, apparently Nerchio is good at ZvZ. Maybe they should have set him up against LiveZerg and Idra against Grubby so everyone can win. EDIT: Idra said ZvZ was relatively a coinflip. Go try to argue with him if you disagree, not me. The fact is that Idra is one of the best players in the world in ZvT and ZvP but he hasn't find yet how to dominate the ZvZ as well as his other MU. And this his major weakness. Stephano solved 2 months ago this weakness, now he seems completely dominating. This is how you see a "top top world class level" zerg, when he find he way to dominate ZvZ. Nerchio has strong ZvZ and i wouldnt give Idra favorite vs him. Now if Idra can have the Stephano's level ZvZ he can be outsdanding. But ZvZ is not a coinflip as soon as you perfectly understand it. Only few zergs in the world can say this but this is true.
I think you got this all wrong... Idra is a beast at ZvT, good at ZvZ, and shit at ZvP... Seriously, his ZvZ is some of the best amongst the foreigners, and it has been for a long time. Not THE best, but amongst the best
Edit: ZvZ is kind of flippy in the early game with banelings, but usually the one with the better micro get the best of it. Out over the mid game though, it is too unexplored to say certainly, and it is more understanding timings that makes you good at ZvZ
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