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faintz
Profile Joined June 2010
United States47 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:20:08
August 27 2011 04:19 GMT
#20681
I just don't see why he doesn't change up his strat use at all. Every time I watch him, his ZvT is exactly the same. Hes just asking to get meta gamed.

Doesn't he see how strong infestors are? Mutas are great harassment, but are weak against handling the eventual Terran push without getting lucky with a few siege tank pick offs.

I'm hoping he learns from this and bounces back strong in Orlando.
rdj107
Profile Joined December 2010
United States336 Posts
August 27 2011 04:20 GMT
#20682
On August 27 2011 13:14 taLbuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:13 Triscuit wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:10 Whole wrote:
I have a feeling something else behind the scenes was going on. I do not think IdrA actually lost those games in a fair manner.


What are you implying, Whole?


Don't worry his statement is laughable.

Idra had a sick game 2 playing really good until he decided he was so far ahead he could throw units away in horrible engagements and it ended up biting him in the ass in the form of 30 marines.

It's 100% IdrA's mindset, he will NEVER be a champion until he competes and beleive he can be. His current mindset is pathetic, he should play like it was BroodWar, pretend a patch would never come

Just like Nestea said "Nobody works harder than me, that is why I win"

Simple as that

I hope one day we can see the Greg of old.

Or he's just none too good at english and saying idra had a bad day...

More interesting to me is if any of the cunts on the previous pages will actually get banned for things that would be fast bans in any other fanclub thread.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
August 27 2011 04:21 GMT
#20683
On August 27 2011 13:19 faintz wrote:
I just don't see why he doesn't change up his strat use at all. Every time I watch him, his ZvT is exactly the same.

Doesn't he see how strong infestors are? Mutas are great harassment, but are weak against handling the eventual Terran push without getting lucky with a few siege tank pick offs.

I'm hoping he learns from this and bounces back strong in Orlando.

I have a feeling he will start getting Infestors sooner, losing a series 2-0 to marine balls has to sting enough for him to consider it.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:26:37
August 27 2011 04:23 GMT
#20684
On August 27 2011 13:20 rdj107 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:14 taLbuk wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:13 Triscuit wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:10 Whole wrote:
I have a feeling something else behind the scenes was going on. I do not think IdrA actually lost those games in a fair manner.


What are you implying, Whole?


Don't worry his statement is laughable.

Idra had a sick game 2 playing really good until he decided he was so far ahead he could throw units away in horrible engagements and it ended up biting him in the ass in the form of 30 marines.

It's 100% IdrA's mindset, he will NEVER be a champion until he competes and beleive he can be. His current mindset is pathetic, he should play like it was BroodWar, pretend a patch would never come

Just like Nestea said "Nobody works harder than me, that is why I win"

Simple as that

I hope one day we can see the Greg of old.

Or he's just none too good at english and saying idra had a bad day...

Yeah, I guess I was trying too hard to be ambiguous. I just mean that it could be IdrA is sick, tired, ect.

edit: I wish I could just text IdrA saying "what happened man?"
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 27 2011 04:28 GMT
#20685
I ain't watch DRG in the team leagues but his ZvT last MLG seemed very Mutalisk dependent I don't suppose Idra is trying to emulate that in some way? But the key to DRG's Mutas was they had +2 armor ontop of +2 attack. I've tried it before and they become VERY cost effective against Marines with +2 +2
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:29:34
August 27 2011 04:28 GMT
#20686
On August 27 2011 13:23 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:20 rdj107 wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:14 taLbuk wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:13 Triscuit wrote:
On August 27 2011 13:10 Whole wrote:
I have a feeling something else behind the scenes was going on. I do not think IdrA actually lost those games in a fair manner.


What are you implying, Whole?


Don't worry his statement is laughable.

Idra had a sick game 2 playing really good until he decided he was so far ahead he could throw units away in horrible engagements and it ended up biting him in the ass in the form of 30 marines.

It's 100% IdrA's mindset, he will NEVER be a champion until he competes and beleive he can be. His current mindset is pathetic, he should play like it was BroodWar, pretend a patch would never come

Just like Nestea said "Nobody works harder than me, that is why I win"

Simple as that

I hope one day we can see the Greg of old.

Or he's just none too good at english and saying idra had a bad day...

Yeah, I guess I was trying too hard to be ambiguous. I just mean that it could be IdrA is sick, tired, ect.

edit: I wish I could just text IdrA saying "what happened man?"

he'd probably tell you to fuck off. wait 20 minutes then maybe
On August 27 2011 13:28 Denzil wrote:
I ain't watch DRG in the team leagues but his ZvT last MLG seemed very Mutalisk dependent I don't suppose Idra is trying to emulate that in some way? But the key to DRG's Mutas was they had +2 armor ontop of +2 attack. I've tried it before and they become VERY cost effective against Marines with +2 +2

upgrades take time man, he didn't have time to get 2-2 mutas I don't think
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Chronald
Profile Joined December 2009
United States619 Posts
August 27 2011 04:30 GMT
#20687
IdrA is a top level player who has a way of psyching himself out during tournament play. We even saw it in his early GSL runs.

I think that having a GF has cut into his practice time some, and that could be a possible explanation, but I think that his ego also can get in the way of his play sometimes. Like we all agree, SjoW is good and all but IdrA is a league above him, and IdrA knows that. This leads him to underestimate his opposition at times, and can make him throw away games haphazardly.

I think going to Korea, living with HuK and others will help his mindset a lot. I know that he was friendly with people like Nestea and Losira, and has shown them respect in the past. My thoughts are that playing on KR ladder again, and really being challenged on Ladder will help his resolve and mental status a lot.

Also - he will be away from his GF, which will eat up much less of his time (as I have a feeling she is a bit needy).

My two cents, as a long time IdrA fan, and someone who wishes only the best for Greg.
Got that.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
August 27 2011 04:31 GMT
#20688
You can't go with so many Mutalisks if you aren't going to invest in the armor. If you're army is Mutalisk centric you get every upgrade to make your dominating unit the best unit you have. Otherwise you make a ton of banelings to whittle down the marine numbers so your lacklustre mutas don't have much of a struggle
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
August 27 2011 04:32 GMT
#20689
On August 27 2011 13:30 Chronald wrote:
IdrA is a top level player who has a way of psyching himself out during tournament play. We even saw it in his early GSL runs.

I think that having a GF has cut into his practice time some, and that could be a possible explanation, but I think that his ego also can get in the way of his play sometimes. Like we all agree, SjoW is good and all but IdrA is a league above him, and IdrA knows that. This leads him to underestimate his opposition at times, and can make him throw away games haphazardly.

I think going to Korea, living with HuK and others will help his mindset a lot. I know that he was friendly with people like Nestea and Losira, and has shown them respect in the past. My thoughts are that playing on KR ladder again, and really being challenged on Ladder will help his resolve and mental status a lot.

Also - he will be away from his GF, which will eat up much less of his time (as I have a feeling she is a bit needy).

My two cents, as a long time IdrA fan, and someone who wishes only the best for Greg.

If I had two cents for every time someone said the exact same thing I could buy a plane ticket to Arizona and tell him in person
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:34:48
August 27 2011 04:32 GMT
#20690
I heard that he broke up with his GF...anyway, why are you guys trying to psychoanalyze IdrA. Just because he plays a game and does some interviews, it doesn't mean you know him completely as a person. You guys are assuming way too much.

and regardless of whether you guys would be spot on or completely wrong, I doubt IdrA will be influenced by your opinion. This whole "mindset" talk is getting incredibly old.
BigKahunaBurger
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia334 Posts
August 27 2011 04:33 GMT
#20691
On August 27 2011 13:28 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
upgrades take time man, he didn't have time to get 2-2 mutas I don't think


When you think about it, Idra was floating thousands of minerals when the attack hit.

He also had enough gas to pop out 7 infestors with pathogen glands, albeit far too late.

I think with double spire he could have easily gotten the +2 armour up.

He obviously knew he was committing to a muta heavy style a la ZenexLine, so why not go double upgrades?


Part of me believes that Idra was being cocky, knowing that he was so far ahead against Sjow on Tal'Darim and decided to attack into the marine ball to give the fans something cute. However, he probably realised his mistake too late and just decided to throw the rest of his army away in vain.
userstupidname
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden272 Posts
August 27 2011 04:36 GMT
#20692
he missed larva, 2-0 mutas and 2+ lings is not a ''unit composition loss'' @.@

gogogogo idra all wins after this
Good luck have fun! - Except if its ZvZ Then you can burn in hell :D
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
August 27 2011 04:37 GMT
#20693
On August 27 2011 13:33 BigKahunaBurger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2011 13:28 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
upgrades take time man, he didn't have time to get 2-2 mutas I don't think


When you think about it, Idra was floating thousands of minerals when the attack hit.

He also had enough gas to pop out 7 infestors with pathogen glands, albeit far too late.

I think with double spire he could have easily gotten the +2 armour up.

He obviously knew he was committing to a muta heavy style a la ZenexLine, so why not go double upgrades?


Part of me believes that Idra was being cocky, knowing that he was so far ahead against Sjow on Tal'Darim and decided to attack into the marine ball to give the fans something cute. However, he probably realised his mistake too late and just decided to throw the rest of his army away in vain.

honestly I think it's a better idea to just get faster infestors, IdrA doesn't like to counterattack as much so investing that much into units which can't fight straight up doesn't really fit his style. getting mutas is still good for map control/drop denial/drop defense but there comes a point when it's just too big an investment imo
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
August 27 2011 04:42 GMT
#20694
All I know is, his zvt is outdated and awful.
userstupidname
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden272 Posts
August 27 2011 04:44 GMT
#20695
On August 27 2011 13:42 walklightwhat wrote:
All I know is, his zvt is outdated and awful.


Outdated??

It works well for DRG herp derp....

Zerg has no metagame lead over terran with any particular style.

It was not the style that lost idra the game it was the larva injects :/
Good luck have fun! - Except if its ZvZ Then you can burn in hell :D
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
August 27 2011 04:45 GMT
#20696
The infestor suggestions... Idra's current STYLE of play is fine. He just couldn't finish the games where he have an obvious lead. Something make him feel the urgency to finish the marines with mutas. He doesn't need infestors, he just need to pop out more banelings in his engagements.
Ling Bane Muta is fine. It's just his decision makings seemed to be off...
btw what's the latest gossip on the gracken girl friend?
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:45:43
August 27 2011 04:45 GMT
#20697
On August 27 2011 13:18 MrDudeMan wrote:
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On August 27 2011 13:11 TheSubtleArt wrote:
He was actually playing really well until the end. If he had waited for lings or tried to bait stim it would have been ez pz, just a bad blunder when he got careless. Don't understand why every1 is flaming this much lol. Better luck tomorrow idra <3


A lot of people are just frustrated that he uses the same awful unit composition and does not ever seem to deviate from it. Sjow is someone idra should never even come close to losing to, he has like 80 apm ffs. He's losing games that he's already won because he is relying on mutalisks way too much, think back and you will see almost every time idra loses a ZvT its because he has too many mutas and not enough zerglings.

Almost every1 in Korea plays like that lol...it's like blasting Flash for playing Tank / vulture every TvP. Well yea, it's the most consistent and standard way to play the game, where you rely on outplaying your opponent instead of winning with a unit composition.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 27 2011 04:48 GMT
#20698
IdrA lost because of his, sad to say, macro. He really should've had more larvae saved up.

A tech switch to infestors and/or broodlords would've crushed that particular army of Sjow's, but IdrA had the means to kill it without them. He just didn't have enough larvae saved up to clean up the marines after the tanks fell.
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
August 27 2011 04:49 GMT
#20699
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"En taro adun, Executor."
TUski
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-27 04:51:02
August 27 2011 04:49 GMT
#20700
LingBlingMuta is THE counter to Marine-tank. That's why ZvT is so fun and dynamic, its because the two army comps basically counter each other (Which is amazing because you know the player who played better will win).

I honestly doubt there's another viable army comp, with the exception of roach bane (Which Idra has already said he dislikes because it forgoes map control),

You're blind if you call it outdated. The upside of doublelingmuta is that there is literally no skill ceiling, because your army can be everywhere at once if you have the control to do it. There's a reason as to why there have been only two viable compositions ZvT.


On August 27 2011 13:45 Spec wrote:
The infestor suggestions... Idra's current STYLE of play is fine. He just couldn't finish the games where he have an obvious lead. Something make him feel the urgency to finish the marines with mutas. He doesn't need infestors, he just need to pop out more banelings in his engagements.
Ling Bane Muta is fine. It's just his decision makings seemed to be off...
btw what's the latest gossip on the gracken girl friend?



I think people are saying infestors because Idra definitely needs to transition faster. 20 mutas is enough to wreak havoc, 40 is 2000/2000 that could be used reinforcing the power of the ground army that he really needed in the Sjow series.
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