EPTDoesn't he see how strong infestors are? Mutas are great harassment, but are weak against handling the eventual Terran push without getting lucky with a few siege tank pick offs.
I'm hoping he learns from this and bounces back strong in Orlando.
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faintz
United States47 Posts
Doesn't he see how strong infestors are? Mutas are great harassment, but are weak against handling the eventual Terran push without getting lucky with a few siege tank pick offs. I'm hoping he learns from this and bounces back strong in Orlando. | ||
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rdj107
United States336 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:14 taLbuk wrote: Don't worry his statement is laughable. Idra had a sick game 2 playing really good until he decided he was so far ahead he could throw units away in horrible engagements and it ended up biting him in the ass in the form of 30 marines. It's 100% IdrA's mindset, he will NEVER be a champion until he competes and beleive he can be. His current mindset is pathetic, he should play like it was BroodWar, pretend a patch would never come Just like Nestea said "Nobody works harder than me, that is why I win" Simple as that I hope one day we can see the Greg of old. Or he's just none too good at english and saying idra had a bad day... More interesting to me is if any of the cunts on the previous pages will actually get banned for things that would be fast bans in any other fanclub thread. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:19 faintz wrote: I just don't see why he doesn't change up his strat use at all. Every time I watch him, his ZvT is exactly the same. Doesn't he see how strong infestors are? Mutas are great harassment, but are weak against handling the eventual Terran push without getting lucky with a few siege tank pick offs. I'm hoping he learns from this and bounces back strong in Orlando. I have a feeling he will start getting Infestors sooner, losing a series 2-0 to marine balls has to sting enough for him to consider it. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:20 rdj107 wrote: Or he's just none too good at english and saying idra had a bad day... Yeah, I guess I was trying too hard to be ambiguous. I just mean that it could be IdrA is sick, tired, ect. edit: I wish I could just text IdrA saying "what happened man?" | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:23 Whole wrote: Yeah, I guess I was trying too hard to be ambiguous. I just mean that it could be IdrA is sick, tired, ect. edit: I wish I could just text IdrA saying "what happened man?" he'd probably tell you to fuck off. wait 20 minutes then maybe  On August 27 2011 13:28 Denzil wrote: I ain't watch DRG in the team leagues but his ZvT last MLG seemed very Mutalisk dependent I don't suppose Idra is trying to emulate that in some way? But the key to DRG's Mutas was they had +2 armor ontop of +2 attack. I've tried it before and they become VERY cost effective against Marines with +2 +2 upgrades take time man, he didn't have time to get 2-2 mutas I don't think | ||
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
I think that having a GF has cut into his practice time some, and that could be a possible explanation, but I think that his ego also can get in the way of his play sometimes. Like we all agree, SjoW is good and all but IdrA is a league above him, and IdrA knows that. This leads him to underestimate his opposition at times, and can make him throw away games haphazardly. I think going to Korea, living with HuK and others will help his mindset a lot. I know that he was friendly with people like Nestea and Losira, and has shown them respect in the past. My thoughts are that playing on KR ladder again, and really being challenged on Ladder will help his resolve and mental status a lot. Also - he will be away from his GF, which will eat up much less of his time (as I have a feeling she is a bit needy). My two cents, as a long time IdrA fan, and someone who wishes only the best for Greg. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:30 Chronald wrote: IdrA is a top level player who has a way of psyching himself out during tournament play. We even saw it in his early GSL runs. I think that having a GF has cut into his practice time some, and that could be a possible explanation, but I think that his ego also can get in the way of his play sometimes. Like we all agree, SjoW is good and all but IdrA is a league above him, and IdrA knows that. This leads him to underestimate his opposition at times, and can make him throw away games haphazardly. I think going to Korea, living with HuK and others will help his mindset a lot. I know that he was friendly with people like Nestea and Losira, and has shown them respect in the past. My thoughts are that playing on KR ladder again, and really being challenged on Ladder will help his resolve and mental status a lot. Also - he will be away from his GF, which will eat up much less of his time (as I have a feeling she is a bit needy). My two cents, as a long time IdrA fan, and someone who wishes only the best for Greg. If I had two cents for every time someone said the exact same thing I could buy a plane ticket to Arizona and tell him in person  | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
and regardless of whether you guys would be spot on or completely wrong, I doubt IdrA will be influenced by your opinion. This whole "mindset" talk is getting incredibly old. | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:28 MonsieurGrimm wrote: upgrades take time man, he didn't have time to get 2-2 mutas I don't think When you think about it, Idra was floating thousands of minerals when the attack hit. He also had enough gas to pop out 7 infestors with pathogen glands, albeit far too late. I think with double spire he could have easily gotten the +2 armour up. He obviously knew he was committing to a muta heavy style a la ZenexLine, so why not go double upgrades? Part of me believes that Idra was being cocky, knowing that he was so far ahead against Sjow on Tal'Darim and decided to attack into the marine ball to give the fans something cute. However, he probably realised his mistake too late and just decided to throw the rest of his army away in vain. | ||
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userstupidname
Sweden272 Posts
gogogogo idra all wins after this  | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:33 BigKahunaBurger wrote: When you think about it, Idra was floating thousands of minerals when the attack hit. He also had enough gas to pop out 7 infestors with pathogen glands, albeit far too late. I think with double spire he could have easily gotten the +2 armour up. He obviously knew he was committing to a muta heavy style a la ZenexLine, so why not go double upgrades? Part of me believes that Idra was being cocky, knowing that he was so far ahead against Sjow on Tal'Darim and decided to attack into the marine ball to give the fans something cute. However, he probably realised his mistake too late and just decided to throw the rest of his army away in vain. honestly I think it's a better idea to just get faster infestors, IdrA doesn't like to counterattack as much so investing that much into units which can't fight straight up doesn't really fit his style. getting mutas is still good for map control/drop denial/drop defense but there comes a point when it's just too big an investment imo | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
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userstupidname
Sweden272 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:42 walklightwhat wrote: All I know is, his zvt is outdated and awful. Outdated?? It works well for DRG herp derp.... Zerg has no metagame lead over terran with any particular style. It was not the style that lost idra the game it was the larva injects :/ | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
Ling Bane Muta is fine. It's just his decision makings seemed to be off... btw what's the latest gossip on the gracken girl friend? | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 27 2011 13:18 MrDudeMan wrote: A lot of people are just frustrated that he uses the same awful unit composition and does not ever seem to deviate from it. Sjow is someone idra should never even come close to losing to, he has like 80 apm ffs. He's losing games that he's already won because he is relying on mutalisks way too much, think back and you will see almost every time idra loses a ZvT its because he has too many mutas and not enough zerglings. Almost every1 in Korea plays like that lol...it's like blasting Flash for playing Tank / vulture every TvP. Well yea, it's the most consistent and standard way to play the game, where you rely on outplaying your opponent instead of winning with a unit composition. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
A tech switch to infestors and/or broodlords would've crushed that particular army of Sjow's, but IdrA had the means to kill it without them. He just didn't have enough larvae saved up to clean up the marines after the tanks fell. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
I honestly doubt there's another viable army comp, with the exception of roach bane (Which Idra has already said he dislikes because it forgoes map control), You're blind if you call it outdated. The upside of doublelingmuta is that there is literally no skill ceiling, because your army can be everywhere at once if you have the control to do it. There's a reason as to why there have been only two viable compositions ZvT. On August 27 2011 13:45 Spec wrote: The infestor suggestions... Idra's current STYLE of play is fine. He just couldn't finish the games where he have an obvious lead. Something make him feel the urgency to finish the marines with mutas. He doesn't need infestors, he just need to pop out more banelings in his engagements. Ling Bane Muta is fine. It's just his decision makings seemed to be off... btw what's the latest gossip on the gracken girl friend? I think people are saying infestors because Idra definitely needs to transition faster. 20 mutas is enough to wreak havoc, 40 is 2000/2000 that could be used reinforcing the power of the ground army that he really needed in the Sjow series. | ||
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