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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
of his permanent cheeses but i guess TLO always knows better. To make it clear: scouting for a potential cheese is no weakness. It is a part of the game. Everybody can die to it. Someone in bronze league or during GSL finals. Everybody. We will always cheer for you but there is one think that many people will not accept and this is pure arrogance. You train to hard for your success. So why are you letting your dreams slip away this easy? | ||
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Mattyson
France21 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
This is how I see TLO at the moment. He plays amazingly at ladder and practise games doing fancy stuff and winning, but ladder means absolutely NOTHING in competitive pro StarCraft 2. NOTHING. A pro player is and ought to be only measured in success by his tournament performances. These are the only games that count. No matter how huge of a talent there is, bringing one's A level when it actually counts is a necessary aspect to be a pro player. I sooo want TLO to be top of the top, but he consistently loses in tournament situations where - if you watch his stream regularly - you think god TLO you're better than this, BUT as I elaborated before, the way this has to be looked upon is not "well he is an awesome player, watch his stream he is better than what he showed" but more like "he is not a good player because he somehow can't perform when it counts", be it to a mental blockade or whatever, it doesn't matter why. A player in any sport can only be considered good if he is actually good in the matches that count for competition. That being said, yes, in consequence I have to say Fuzer was the better player in that series. Not because he has more talent or more potential, that just mustn't be considered when evaluating pro players. He won. I'm very sad to have written this, I'm still a big fan and I haven't given up hope yet. But I can't call TLO a good player at the moment Go TLO! | ||
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Magrath
Canada292 Posts
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SviRu
Poland80 Posts
The thing he lacks is cold blood. He makes many mistakes and plays much worse than in ladder. Even blind can see that. Against Tefel he played so bad like it was not TLO we know from KR training. Is tlo gonna break this weird mental blockade? We will find out. | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On December 05 2012 06:24 styLesdavis wrote: Even his first opponent said to him after TLO won 2:1 that he should be carefull against Fuzer because of his permanent cheeses but i guess TLO always knows better. To make it clear: scouting for a potential cheese is no weakness. It is a part of the game. Everybody can die to it. Someone in bronze league or during GSL finals. Everybody. We will always cheer for you but there is one think that many people will not accept and this is pure arrogance. You train to hard for your success. So why are you letting your dreams slip away this easy? Holy shit dude, that is WAY too much blame to pile on TLO I'll admit, I didn't see the games, but if I'm correct TLO was cheesed multiple times in a series, right? A LOT of players would make the read that given one cheese, it wouldn't happen again. There's mindgames involved; I can't remember which one, but in a recent interview a Korean was asked if, after losing to an aggressive strategy earlier in the series, it changed his mindset for the rest of the set and he replied that he didn't expect it to be used twice, and he was right. Sometimes, players make calculated risks and assume things. It's easy in hindsight to say TLO "should've scouted and won" but that's the very nature of a calculated risk. And it's unfortunate, because when these risks don't pan out, it looks kinda dumb. But to accuse the man of letting his dreams slip away after something like this is a little bit too much. | ||
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
+ TLOs first opponent said to him BEFORE his first game against Fuzer that he should be aware of it + Fuzer played proxy-2-rax EVERY SINGLE GAME. EVERY! But there was no scout at all. ... so he wasn`t cheesed "multiple" times. He got cheesed EVERY TIME. Don`t get me wrong. TLO will always be my favorite player just because i do think that he is such a great person. I will cheer for him every single game but i just want him to win so badly. | ||
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SviRu
Poland80 Posts
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vlkv
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ETisME
12676 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:11 SviRu wrote: Some drama going on I see. It is not the first time and probably not the last. Tlo needs to play more tournaments where people play different than in ladder games. I still think TLO has super potential because of his dedication, speed, overall gamesense. The thing he lacks is cold blood. He makes many mistakes and plays much worse than in ladder. Even blind can see that. Against Tefel he played so bad like it was not TLO we know from KR training. Is tlo gonna break this weird mental blockade? We will find out. I think most people here thinks TLO plays GREAT on ladder is largely because you are watching from his point of view, he will tell you his chain of thoughts when he commentates and tell you why he thinks he won/lost there. But the thing is, when we watch in tournament, casters and observers open up a new perspective, every mistakes, every disadvantage become more obvious. | ||
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
hatch/pool/gas timings would have been really weird. Proxy-rax is not that hard to defend if you scout or expect it the right way. Anyways: GOOD LUCK for the future, Dario. Keep up the work! | ||
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Quarry
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On December 06 2012 09:38 SgtCoDFish wrote: A LOT of players would make the read that given one cheese, it wouldn't happen again. There's mindgames involved; I can't remember which one, but in a recent interview a Korean was asked if, after losing to an aggressive strategy earlier in the series, it changed his mindset for the rest of the set and he replied that he didn't expect it to be used twice, and he was right. Sometimes, players make calculated risks and assume things. It's easy in hindsight to say TLO "should've scouted and won" but that's the very nature of a calculated risk. And it's unfortunate, because when these risks don't pan out, it looks kinda dumb. But to accuse the man of letting his dreams slip away after something like this is a little bit too much. Of course players have to assume things and take caculated risks based on their assumptions. However, even if the assumption "he did it twice therefore he is less likely doing it again" is good, scouting might have the better expected value. As a bad SC2-player who doesn’t know what he is talking about, I think TLO is stubborn and too risk-affine (in a tragic-heroic way). Also, please TLO, stream again! | ||
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Snotling
Germany885 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4514 Posts
On December 06 2012 15:27 styLesdavis wrote: Fuzer is well known for his permanent cheeses. + TLOs first opponent said to him BEFORE his first game against Fuzer that he should be aware of it + Fuzer played proxy-2-rax EVERY SINGLE GAME. EVERY! But there was no scout at all. ... so he wasn`t cheesed "multiple" times. He got cheesed EVERY TIME. Don`t get me wrong. TLO will always be my favorite player just because i do think that he is such a great person. I will cheer for him every single game but i just want him to win so badly. how does scouting help vs 2 rax by the time your drone gets to an empty base you already made more drones to compensate for the mineral loss and your pool is later by a few mini seconds? the only way it helps is if you send it super early and find the barracks (meaning you don't go to his base at all first), or maybe dario should have done a 8 pool or 6 pool or something one of the games, but when someone either 2 raxes or 1 rax ccs on the ramp then those are judgement calls that are hard to make, also every player who strives to be better believes himself to be able to hold 2 raxes, with 15 hatch. It's hard as fuck but every player likes to think himself capable of doing so, and also has succeeded on ladder many times, so it's very hard on the brain to change your opening versus an opponent considered weak, like fuzer, although it probably would have been the best choice here. | ||
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styLesdavis
Germany833 Posts
As i said "should have scoutet" i talked about "finding the barracks" because on the 3rd map many players are placing their rax on the same spot where you just avoid the typical "base scout". | ||
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