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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51623 Posts
December 20 2010 11:11 GMT
#19761
I'd say Superstar K is more like the Korean 'American Idol' and MBC's version is the rip-off in trying to enter the market.
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sixduck
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States301 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 11:19:00
December 20 2010 11:18 GMT
#19762
On December 20 2010 17:28 mangina wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
MBC Star Audition (위대한 탄생)
So my girlfriend auditioned for the mbc star audition and qualified! Out of a1000 people auditioned, 30 people moved onto the second round of the US auditions. Out of the 30, they selected 6. She was one of those lucky 6 out of everyone in the US to pass and get a free trip to Korea!

Here's the clip of her audition from the episode.

+ Show Spoiler +


Her name is Sharon Shin. She got to sing more songs initially, but they were American songs. And because MBC doesn't have rights to use American songs, she had to sing Korean songs. So Sharon couldn't remember the lyrics because she doesn't normally singing korean songs.

She's in Korea right now. Today, they're doing the next part of the competition. Nearly 160 people were selected from around the world for this show. I hope my fellow TL members can support her! And Thank you guys!


wow, she's pretty good. best of luck to her! she got to meet some f(x) members? :O
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
December 20 2010 11:45 GMT
#19763
On December 20 2010 12:53 ace246 wrote:
2NE1, Kim Bum Soo, and Superkid declared as harmful for youth:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/2ne1-kim-bum-soo-and-superkid-declared-as-harmful-for-youths

They were judged to be harmful because of profanity, even though there is no mention of the F word or the C word which is like the only 2 words that are not allowed in songs without restrictions,as far as the non-korean countries are concerned.

They forgot to mention that 2NE1's abuse of autotune is making a bad influence.

http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/kang-minkyung-dongwoons-udon-single-deemed-unfit-for-broadcast
Think this is even more hilarious
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
December 20 2010 12:06 GMT
#19764
On December 20 2010 20:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 12:53 ace246 wrote:
2NE1, Kim Bum Soo, and Superkid declared as harmful for youth:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/2ne1-kim-bum-soo-and-superkid-declared-as-harmful-for-youths

They were judged to be harmful because of profanity, even though there is no mention of the F word or the C word which is like the only 2 words that are not allowed in songs without restrictions,as far as the non-korean countries are concerned.

They forgot to mention that 2NE1's abuse of autotune is making a bad influence.

http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/kang-minkyung-dongwoons-udon-single-deemed-unfit-for-broadcast
Think this is even more hilarious


What a fucking joke!!!!
These old people in high places need to be ridden of, their mindset is in the 20th century. This kind of shit wouldn't happen in a country like the U.S, where corruption is kept to a minimum.

oh yeah and allkpop's live discussion has implemented some rules and consequences regarding posting comment which means that the sones will have to play nice, assuming that allkpop will actually moderate the discussion (Hell, its about time).
ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
December 20 2010 12:26 GMT
#19765
And on the same day, this just had to happen:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/sbs-inkigayo-yields-to-yg-entertainment-but-at-what-cost


For those of you who don't know, sbs' inkigayo previously warned that artists who attended the MAMA (Mnet Annual Music Awards, iirc) were banned indefinitely from appearing in inkigayo. But they turned their back on their words. Stupid? Yes. Unexpected? No, not if you have decent brain that is.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 20 2010 13:43 GMT
#19766
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/kara-and-snsd-gained-revenues-of-15-4m-usd-and-10-3m-usd-respectively-in-japan

Looking at the Comments, none of the Sones can believe that Kara can actually be more popular than SNSD. They keep justifying why SNSD is 2nd by saying Kara debuted earlier and Kara released 2 Single + 2 DVD while SNSD released 2 Single + 1 DVD.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
December 20 2010 13:46 GMT
#19767
i've learnt long ago to stop reading allkpop comments.
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
December 20 2010 14:01 GMT
#19768
Since they changed their comments system, I haven't seen any comments because I have NoScript installed on my Firefox. While the main site is enabled for scripts, whatever the comments are hosted on isn't enabled, so I can see the stories, but no comments.
The system. It works.
HOLY CHECK!
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 14:27:24
December 20 2010 14:22 GMT
#19769
On December 20 2010 20:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 12:53 ace246 wrote:
2NE1, Kim Bum Soo, and Superkid declared as harmful for youth:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/2ne1-kim-bum-soo-and-superkid-declared-as-harmful-for-youths

They were judged to be harmful because of profanity, even though there is no mention of the F word or the C word which is like the only 2 words that are not allowed in songs without restrictions,as far as the non-korean countries are concerned.

They forgot to mention that 2NE1's abuse of autotune is making a bad influence.

http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/kang-minkyung-dongwoons-udon-single-deemed-unfit-for-broadcast
Think this is even more hilarious

rofl, now that is hilarious.

I understand them quasi-censuring e.g. 2NE1 for lyrics like "i don't give a fuck," but lol at blocking a song for using a japanese name for noodles over the korean one.


On December 20 2010 17:50 joban wrote:
Haha, no way- is that like American Idol for Korea? She's a great singer!

No, that would be Superstar K (Seo In Gook won the 1st one). This is more of a generic talent search. I'm pretty sure now they [MBC Star] even have a youtube version. JYP also goes around the world doing talent searches pretty much yearly.
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ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 15:01:16
December 20 2010 14:36 GMT
#19770
On December 20 2010 22:43 T.O.P. wrote:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/kara-and-snsd-gained-revenues-of-15-4m-usd-and-10-3m-usd-respectively-in-japan

Looking at the Comments, none of the Sones can believe that Kara can actually be more popular than SNSD. They keep justifying why SNSD is 2nd by saying Kara debuted earlier and Kara released 2 Single + 2 DVD while SNSD released 2 Single + 1 DVD.


OH FUCK YEAH!!
The taste of e-tears from sones have never been sweeter. I think its fair to say that Japanese obviously knows kpop better than the koreans.
Kara: 15.4
PG(Plastic Generation): 10.3
therefore Kara > PG


Some comments i saw in the discussion:

"Fuk no snsd is best of world kara is shit" by Sicalover, obviously a sone (he got banned)

"koreans h8 japs, now i know y ..." by yurifany (racist, banned before i could read his whole post)

"This just goes to show how japanese people no nothing about talent and only care about stupid porn. They just chose Kara over SNSD because Kara just put on really short skirts and shit songs but japanese people are perverts because they make heaps of porn so they like that. SNSD songs are really professional songs that require a really good voice with high pitch range and they dress very nicely without showing too much skin." by SMSNSD (wtf have you been smoking?)





On December 20 2010 22:46 Katsuge wrote:
i've learnt long ago to stop reading allkpop comments.


They recently put up rules and consequences for commenting in the discussion so it should be worth reading now.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17292 Posts
December 20 2010 14:42 GMT
#19771
On December 20 2010 23:36 ace246 wrote:
so it should be worth reading now.

Hah. That'll be the day.
twitch.tv/cratonz
judochopaction
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States533 Posts
December 20 2010 14:44 GMT
#19772
for some reason all the music posted here that i can see is basically mainstream kpop, which is something i like, but im just wondering... arent there any experimental artists in korea? electronic artists? idm rock alternative anything unique? where is everything else?
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
December 20 2010 14:46 GMT
#19773
halp im too obsessed with taengoo
Thailand is my new obsession
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17292 Posts
December 20 2010 14:59 GMT
#19774
On December 20 2010 23:44 judochopaction wrote:
for some reason all the music posted here that i can see is basically mainstream kpop, which is something i like, but im just wondering... arent there any experimental artists in korea? electronic artists? idm rock alternative anything unique? where is everything else?

Yes and it is contained in this thread.
twitch.tv/cratonz
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 15:50:17
December 20 2010 15:48 GMT
#19775
On December 20 2010 23:22 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 20:45 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On December 20 2010 12:53 ace246 wrote:
2NE1, Kim Bum Soo, and Superkid declared as harmful for youth:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/2ne1-kim-bum-soo-and-superkid-declared-as-harmful-for-youths

They were judged to be harmful because of profanity, even though there is no mention of the F word or the C word which is like the only 2 words that are not allowed in songs without restrictions,as far as the non-korean countries are concerned.

They forgot to mention that 2NE1's abuse of autotune is making a bad influence.

http://www.allkpop.com/2010/12/kang-minkyung-dongwoons-udon-single-deemed-unfit-for-broadcast
Think this is even more hilarious

rofl, now that is hilarious.

I understand them quasi-censuring e.g. 2NE1 for lyrics like "i don't give a fuck," but lol at blocking a song for using a japanese name for noodles over the korean one.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Basically everyone says 우동.

wtf?

Either these people are completely out of touch with society or they are trying to enforce some sort of nationalistic bullshit over music; I wouldn't be surprised with the latter.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 16:17:20
December 20 2010 16:14 GMT
#19776
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 20 2010 23:36 ace246 wrote:
Looking at the Comments, none of the Sones can believe that Kara can actually be more popular than SNSD. They keep justifying why SNSD is 2nd by saying Kara debuted earlier and Kara released 2 Single + 2 DVD while SNSD released 2 Single + 1 DVD.


OH FUCK YEAH!!
The taste of e-tears from sones have never been sweeter. I think its fair to say that Japanese obviously knows kpop better than the koreans.
Kara: 15.4
PG(Plastic Generation): 10.3
therefore Kara > PG


Some comments i saw in the discussion:

"Fuk no snsd is best of world kara is shit" by Sicalover, obviously a sone (he got banned)

"koreans h8 japs, now i know y ..." by yurifany (racist, banned before i could read his whole post)

"This just goes to show how japanese people no nothing about talent and only care about stupid porn. They just chose Kara over SNSD because Kara just put on really short skirts and shit songs but japanese people are perverts because they make heaps of porn so they like that. SNSD songs are really professional songs that require a really good voice with high pitch range and they dress very nicely without showing too much skin." by SMSNSD (wtf have you been smoking?)

Between sones and anti-fans, I find the Anti's MUCH more annoying. IMO, let fans love their shit whatever it be. Why rain on their parade?
SNSD themselves are hardly bothered 'cos Gee is No.1 in Japan and Genie is No.2. Sones will be sones. But no need to be anti just bcos of that.
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
December 20 2010 16:21 GMT
#19777
dont feed ace246, his your definition of a troll and an anti
Thailand is my new obsession
judochopaction
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States533 Posts
December 20 2010 17:20 GMT
#19778
On December 20 2010 23:59 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 23:44 judochopaction wrote:
for some reason all the music posted here that i can see is basically mainstream kpop, which is something i like, but im just wondering... arent there any experimental artists in korea? electronic artists? idm rock alternative anything unique? where is everything else?

Yes and it is contained in this thread.

ok let me rephrase. can anyone suggest some obscure korean music? like a korean progressive metal band, or an idm group, or something that i would have never found on my own without someone else? i just want to expand my korean music horizons in different directions.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-20 17:44:10
December 20 2010 17:33 GMT
#19779
On December 21 2010 02:20 judochopaction wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 23:59 Craton wrote:
On December 20 2010 23:44 judochopaction wrote:
for some reason all the music posted here that i can see is basically mainstream kpop, which is something i like, but im just wondering... arent there any experimental artists in korea? electronic artists? idm rock alternative anything unique? where is everything else?

Yes and it is contained in this thread.

ok let me rephrase. can anyone suggest some obscure korean music? like a korean progressive metal band, or an idm group, or something that i would have never found on my own without someone else? i just want to expand my korean music horizons in different directions.

And like I said, it's in this thread.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=korean alternative&t=c&f=-1&u=&gb=date

Third result. First result now.

There are also some borderline groups like Norazo.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=korean metal&t=c&f=-1&u=&gb=date
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98009&currentpage=683#13657
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98009&currentpage=683#13656

This is also worth remembering: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98009&currentpage=217#4329

On January 26 2010 21:58 MrHoon wrote:
5 Stages of KPOP

1) Denial

UHG THIS SHIT IS WTF POP IS TERRIBLE BADDDDDD ALL BADDDDDDDDDD BADDDD GAY STUFF I WILL NEVER FUCKING LISTEN TO THIS SHIT

2) Anger

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

3) Bargaining

IF I LISTEN TO THIS SHIT WILL YOU LET ME WATCH YOUR STREAM ROFFLES???????\

4) Depression

fuck nigga i hate you all. ur all terrible faggots. look what you did to me. leave me alone

5) Acceptance

dem legzzzzz
twitch.tv/cratonz
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
December 20 2010 17:43 GMT
#19780
On December 20 2010 23:44 judochopaction wrote:
for some reason all the music posted here that i can see is basically mainstream kpop, which is something i like, but im just wondering... arent there any experimental artists in korea? electronic artists? idm rock alternative anything unique? where is everything else?




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