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Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 07:37:18
September 28 2011 07:34 GMT
#33001
Girls' Generation and Wonder Girls gave birth to the massive influx of new girl groups, without them you probably wouldn't be watching T-ara, After School, 4Minute, etc. Just in 2011 alone we've seen 27 girl group debuts. I don't know too much about the music industry pre-dbsk but it seems to me like before the creation of SNSD, the market was predominantly male artistes. Some of that credit would have to go to S.E.S.. Fin K.L, baby V.O.X (and maybe BEG since they debuted before snsd/wg/kara) since they were pretty much the first wave.

On September 28 2011 16:03 SFaXieL wrote:
Gee definitely did not "create" SNSD. I was living at a base in Korea at the time and ITNW, Girl's Generation, and a bit later Kissing You def. sealed the deal for their popularity. For such a long time, you couldn't flip channels on the weekend w/o seeing any soshis on a variety show... that and because every Korean and their mothers found Tiffany super interesting. and like moonwrath said .. variety shows play a HUGE part in a group's success. Gee and Genie was just the icing on the cake =] Had they not had Gee, I'm sure some other song would've done as well in it's place.

and as for the poll... obviously the group w/ the larger fan base will have more annoying people in it T_T I appreciate KPOP for what it is and it's just a fact that there will probably be more sones here than other fan base reps.

... Just my personal experience, albeit biased but it has some first hand credibility


I completely agree with this, ITNW was already an explosive debut peaking at the #10 spot, then you have their next single released GG at #5, and then Kissing You hits #2. They had massive popularity before Gee hit, every single variety TV show tried to get them scheduled. Tiffany probably had a huge impact on their debut too, the instant she showed her smile in the ITNW MV. Every show she appeared on the MC's would ask her to eye smile, it was literally abused on SGB many times.

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im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
September 28 2011 07:53 GMT
#33002
All the SNSD hating makes me sad :'(

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시크릿 / 씨스타 / 에이핑크 / 윤하 / 가비앤제이
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
September 28 2011 08:10 GMT
#33003
On September 28 2011 16:21 Craton wrote:
My head is going to spontaneously explode one of these days.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98009&currentpage=1648#32944


I get some kind of weird satisfaction when I see someone repost what I've already done. Happened so many times now, but it would be nice to not have to scroll past it. Plus it makes Craton sad, which is bad.
Love is more fun than hate.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 09:21:46
September 28 2011 08:16 GMT
#33004
New iPad app out for SNSD, basically just a bunch of pics from their Phuket adventure
Here is a teaser
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Here are the rest of the pics, enjoy!
edit: nm looks like that link is f'ed. I'll just spoiler a ton of them instead =D
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화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
September 28 2011 09:18 GMT
#33005
Secret time.


+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkBbYz9NTqM
Love is more fun than hate.
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
September 28 2011 12:23 GMT
#33006


Takes me back.
Love is more fun than hate.
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
September 28 2011 12:27 GMT
#33007
im here. whose hating on ma snsd.!
Thailand is my new obsession
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
September 28 2011 12:35 GMT
#33008
On September 28 2011 15:09 Kipsate wrote:
The only Blackjack we had got banned for about 90 days, although I am fairly certain that one of the posters here is just an alt of him.


So I guess that means I am in the minority then. I never quite got what it was about their music that appeals so much more to the female fanbase than the male?
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
September 28 2011 12:37 GMT
#33009
On September 28 2011 21:35 Rkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 15:09 Kipsate wrote:
The only Blackjack we had got banned for about 90 days, although I am fairly certain that one of the posters here is just an alt of him.


So I guess that means I am in the minority then. I never quite got what it was about their music that appeals so much more to the female fanbase than the male?


its not their music. its their 'attitude' and average looking factor that got girls crazy over them

yes i said it. minzy cl park bom.
Thailand is my new obsession
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 28 2011 12:45 GMT
#33010
On September 28 2011 16:34 Ym1r wrote:
Girls' Generation and Wonder Girls gave birth to the massive influx of new girl groups, without them you probably wouldn't be watching T-ara, After School, 4Minute, etc. Just in 2011 alone we've seen 27 girl group debuts. I don't know too much about the music industry pre-dbsk but it seems to me like before the creation of SNSD, the market was predominantly male artistes. Some of that credit would have to go to S.E.S.. Fin K.L, baby V.O.X (and maybe BEG since they debuted before snsd/wg/kara) since they were pretty much the first wave.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 16:03 SFaXieL wrote:
Gee definitely did not "create" SNSD. I was living at a base in Korea at the time and ITNW, Girl's Generation, and a bit later Kissing You def. sealed the deal for their popularity. For such a long time, you couldn't flip channels on the weekend w/o seeing any soshis on a variety show... that and because every Korean and their mothers found Tiffany super interesting. and like moonwrath said .. variety shows play a HUGE part in a group's success. Gee and Genie was just the icing on the cake =] Had they not had Gee, I'm sure some other song would've done as well in it's place.

and as for the poll... obviously the group w/ the larger fan base will have more annoying people in it T_T I appreciate KPOP for what it is and it's just a fact that there will probably be more sones here than other fan base reps.

... Just my personal experience, albeit biased but it has some first hand credibility


I completely agree with this, ITNW was already an explosive debut peaking at the #10 spot, then you have their next single released GG at #5, and then Kissing You hits #2. They had massive popularity before Gee hit, every single variety TV show tried to get them scheduled. Tiffany probably had a huge impact on their debut too, the instant she showed her smile in the ITNW MV. Every show she appeared on the MC's would ask her to eye smile, it was literally abused on SGB many times.

edit: aw snap page topper

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I never said they wouldn't be big, just that they wouldn't be as big. You point out itnw being a "huge success" at number 10, then what do you call miss a's no. 1 rank debut? Plenty of other groups also hit number 1 by their second or third song, and this is after the "girl group rush" so they had more competition as well. There's no denying they were big before gee, but I'd still think that they wouldn't be nearly as big without it.
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
September 28 2011 12:51 GMT
#33011
you realize its much easier to achieve stuff when the way is already paved for you?
Thailand is my new obsession
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
September 28 2011 12:51 GMT
#33012
Lets see how many of these still work. Some are missing due to being blocked already.

+ Show Spoiler [TVXQ's Tone] +
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Love is more fun than hate.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 28 2011 13:28 GMT
#33013
On September 28 2011 21:51 Hyaach wrote:
you realize its much easier to achieve stuff when the way is already paved for you?

It's way easier to debut when you don't have to compete with ~30 similar groups for attention.
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
September 28 2011 13:37 GMT
#33014
when the kpop scene was predominately male groups and female fans. no. if not CJSH would have been a huge hit.
~30 groups just mean the market is already opened for them. The groups with the prettiest faces and biggest pockets gets to succeed.
Thailand is my new obsession
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
September 28 2011 13:55 GMT
#33015
Theres a market yeah, but not for 30 groups...there are many you've probably never heard of, and while there's a market for girl groups in general I'd say the market for new groups is fadin fast, the only successful ones this year are a pink and maybe dal shabet, so while there are more fans out there I'd say it's harder to generate a fandom of your own. A lot of people credit snsds success partially due to variety shows, but if they debuted now compared to then they'd probably have gotten on a lot less- why invite the new kids when getting an established group like snsd or T-ara will be more likely to generate ratings?
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
September 28 2011 14:01 GMT
#33016
Well if they debut today under SM they would still rocket up fast just because groups under the big labels garner so much more attention
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 14:49:32
September 28 2011 14:48 GMT
#33017


At the start, I couldn't help thinking that 'Yes, Paparazzi will send you to the loony bin'
Love is more fun than hate.
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 15:12:35
September 28 2011 15:11 GMT
#33018
SM, JYP, and YG are really impressive to me. They're such well oiled idol machines. But I think being under them alone doesn't really make a group popular. It depends on how well produced and marketed the groups are. SM had a failure in TRAX. JYP failed with San E, but maybe his comeback will do it for him. And I think YG flopped with a girl group before 2ne1. Plus Cube and DSP have big successes without being one of the Big 3's. So it really is just how well produced and marketed a group is that leads them to success.
Zorgon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States211 Posts
September 28 2011 15:13 GMT
#33019
On September 28 2011 23:48 Seditary wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__ZVJwZ5WsQ


At the start, I couldn't help thinking that 'Yes, Paparazzi will send you to the loony bin'


The song reminds me of Roly Poly in a lot of places, and the auto tune is pretty bad in others.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
September 28 2011 15:14 GMT
#33020
The reasons in my opinion why SNSD is so popular(not only in Korea) is because of a couple things.

The others paved a good way for them(as in Hallyu stars)
SM has deep pockets, there is a reason why they are part of the big 3.
Their marketing was done very well.
Yoona's acting in a daily drama made SNSD known among the elderly people and people of all ages basically.
They have got 9 members, so there is something for everyone basically, each can have a different image and still appeal to the audience in general. E.G people like the pure innocent type, you have Seohyun, people like the icy type you have Jessica etc. It also helps that they have 2 American-Koreans among them.
Ow yeah, nine members, you only need 1-2 on a variety show, 9 members means ALOT of fcking variety shows(like some guy said, you flip channels and you see them everywhere)
And the image they simply portrayed was popular at the time.

The reasons that A Pink is the only rookie group together with Dal shabet who does something is because.

1. A Pink is supported by A Cube(which is a subsidiary of Cube Entertainment, which has connections to JYP, I think they were part of JYP once) so they have a decent amount of money.
2. A Pink has a fairy image, resemblent of the old Finkl style which is different(if only slightly) from the rest of the groups.
3. CF deals and stuff, marketting which is courtesy of the former 2 aswell.

The only reason Dal shabet is popular imo is that they promote 24/7 and are basically shoving themselves down people's throats.Plus they were one of the ''earlier'' girl group debuts this year so they have alot more time.

Also, there is a disturbing lack of balance in this thread.
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