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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
December 11 2009 08:02 GMT
#2721
On December 11 2009 17:00 KimTaeYeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 16:58 Solinren wrote:
On December 11 2009 16:47 T.O.P. wrote:
Is Soyeon the new Taeyeon?

Nobody can replace Kim Tae Yeon. NOBODY


Nobody nobody nobody


But chu!(taeyeon)
Thailand is my new obsession
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
December 11 2009 08:07 GMT
#2722
On December 11 2009 17:02 Hyaach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 17:00 KimTaeYeon wrote:
On December 11 2009 16:58 Solinren wrote:
On December 11 2009 16:47 T.O.P. wrote:
Is Soyeon the new Taeyeon?

Nobody can replace Kim Tae Yeon. NOBODY


Nobody nobody nobody


But chu!(taeyeon)


do it do it chu its true true true true its you
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
December 11 2009 08:10 GMT
#2723

Just because she's so awesome.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51523 Posts
December 11 2009 08:42 GMT
#2724
On December 11 2009 17:07 MorningMusume11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 17:02 Hyaach wrote:
On December 11 2009 17:00 KimTaeYeon wrote:
On December 11 2009 16:58 Solinren wrote:
On December 11 2009 16:47 T.O.P. wrote:
Is Soyeon the new Taeyeon?

Nobody can replace Kim Tae Yeon. NOBODY


Nobody nobody nobody


But chu!(taeyeon)


do it do it chu its true true true true its you


grow up
GROW UP
GROW UP
Commentator
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 11 2009 08:42 GMT
#2725
On December 11 2009 16:54 StarBrift wrote:
I can't believe so many people i this thread is discussing this as if it was actual music. THe thread started out hillariously (and rightfully) about how extremely bad K-pop is in all aspects. Atleast the music that mainstream korean idiot kids listen to.

Korea has had alot of good singers in the past but none of them bitched out and went for this plastic fake fucking shit. A lot of male singers doing ballads whom I can not name and Younha come to mind. It's still pop music but it's not "Act like a disoriented idiotic 14 year old girl and giggle your way through music videos" style.

This thread really confirms my theory that about 90% of people do not hear music as the rest of us. They just listen to it do be cool. What makes them cool is different based on where they come from and in which clicks they hang out. Basically 90% of people are posers.


what do you listen to
HEY MEYT
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
December 11 2009 08:50 GMT
#2726
On December 11 2009 16:54 StarBrift wrote:
I can't believe so many people i this thread is discussing this as if it was actual music. THe thread started out hillariously (and rightfully) about how extremely bad K-pop is in all aspects. Atleast the music that mainstream korean idiot kids listen to.

Korea has had alot of good singers in the past but none of them bitched out and went for this plastic fake fucking shit. A lot of male singers doing ballads whom I can not name and Younha come to mind. It's still pop music but it's not "Act like a disoriented idiotic 14 year old girl and giggle your way through music videos" style.

This thread really confirms my theory that about 90% of people do not hear music as the rest of us. They just listen to it do be cool. What makes them cool is different based on where they come from and in which clicks they hang out. Basically 90% of people are posers.

You're really an amazing person. You know what's real music, unlike 90% of Korean kids who are idiots for listening to kpop. You're too good for that.

But since the world is full of idiots, it's really hard to find people who are just as smart as you. Feeling lonely is a terrible thing. I think you should start a "Real Music Thread". Then you could find people who are just as smart about music as you.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
CapO
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 10:04:20
December 11 2009 10:03 GMT
#2727
you know what, a few weeks ago, my professor in my english class was playing us his favorite song, and he asked the class, "did you know that when you recommend a song to another person, you are basically thinking that you have a better taste in music?" and then he asked us if each of us thinks we have better tastes in music than everyone else.

and i thought, it's true. when i recommend a song to a friend, i am assuming that the person im recommending the song to is missing out on a really good song, because he or she doesn't have the same music tastes as i do.

one thing i admit is that i don't publicly listen to SNSD's music around strangers, but i still like their music. am i embarassed because it's a bad music? No. it's just too cute lol

i really think, there is no such thing as a "BAD" music. everyone has a different taste in music. like one person might think jessica alba is the hottest woman alive, but many ppl think otherwise, including me.

so, i think ppl should stop bashing kpop, as though the kinds of music they listen to are the best, because not everyone certainly thinks so.

i really hate when ppl talk, "real music blah balh your music sucks blah blah"
respect our music bitch!
SNSD fan
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51523 Posts
December 11 2009 10:25 GMT
#2728
On December 11 2009 19:03 CapO wrote:
one thing i admit is that i don't publicly listen to SNSD's music around strangers, but i still like their music. am i embarassed because it's a bad music? No. it's just too cute lol


in-ear earphones ftw =]
listen to k-pop on the bus, no one gives me a frown or strange look.
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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
December 11 2009 10:28 GMT
#2729
On December 11 2009 17:42 JohnColtrane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2009 16:54 StarBrift wrote:
I can't believe so many people i this thread is discussing this as if it was actual music. THe thread started out hillariously (and rightfully) about how extremely bad K-pop is in all aspects. Atleast the music that mainstream korean idiot kids listen to.

Korea has had alot of good singers in the past but none of them bitched out and went for this plastic fake fucking shit. A lot of male singers doing ballads whom I can not name and Younha come to mind. It's still pop music but it's not "Act like a disoriented idiotic 14 year old girl and giggle your way through music videos" style.

This thread really confirms my theory that about 90% of people do not hear music as the rest of us. They just listen to it do be cool. What makes them cool is different based on where they come from and in which clicks they hang out. Basically 90% of people are posers.


what do you listen to


That's what I'm interested in since it is apparently superior to every single Korean young person's taste and 90% of the world's populations' preferences as well. HOSHIT. Only 10% of the world has the 'correct' listening skills to appreciate 'real' music. We must look to our new musical savior Starbrift to tell us how to reform our terrible poser habits of liking music that deviates from his personal taste. What happened to the joy of finding a new genre that you enjoy? Does one's personal evolution in musical taste/exposure immediately make a person a 'poser'? If so then I am one of the biggest posers on the planet. Heaven help music journalists....

Also it's 'hilariously' and 'cliques' - if you're going to be a condescending ass-hat/our musical redeemer then at least try and spell your narrow-minded ramblings correctly. Only being able to name drop a single artist implies that really Starbrift hasn't got the slightest clue what he's going on about in terms of the diversity of Korean music. From the more traditional genres such as Trot which are aimed at the senior generations to the globalizing influence of modern Hip Hop acts such as Epik High who are breaking down the boundaries of nationality and distance with projects like Map the Soul.

Basically if you don't like Korean music then don't post in this thread - stop raining on peoples' perfectly valid parade. We don't want your negativity.

One last thing - I've been a teacher of those so-called 'idiotic' Korean children and the majority of the ones I've come into contact through my profession have been sweet, caring and wonderful individuals. Their musical taste has no bearing on their levels of intelligence whatsoever. However, Starbrift's comments definitely seem to indicate he is lacking in certain areas such as tolerance and the notion of individuality in relation to musical (or otherwise.) inclinations.

(Hoo boy, scathing rants are pleasurable to write at times...)
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
December 11 2009 10:50 GMT
#2730
i always knew kang min kyung was pretty but she looked absolutely amazing at the GDAs

ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51523 Posts
December 11 2009 10:59 GMT
#2731
that long hair so, so so so so so looks good on her.
Commentator
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 11:05:11
December 11 2009 11:04 GMT
#2732
taste is subjective. there is no such thing as "good" or "bad" music
RIP Aaliyah
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 11 2009 11:05 GMT
#2733
On December 11 2009 20:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
taste is subjective. there is no such thing as "good" or "bad" music


except brokencyde
HEY MEYT
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 11 2009 11:12 GMT
#2734
there is shit out there far worse than brokencyde im afraid to say
RIP Aaliyah
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 11 2009 11:14 GMT
#2735
-.- what
HEY MEYT
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
December 11 2009 11:56 GMT
#2736
Haters gonna hate GGGG 4 lyfe.
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 11 2009 12:03 GMT
#2737
insane clown posse, merzbow, c-ute, and torsofuck for example are worse than brokencyde
RIP Aaliyah
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-11 12:16:52
December 11 2009 12:12 GMT
#2738
On December 11 2009 16:54 StarBrift wrote:
I can't believe so many people i this thread is discussing this as if it was actual music. THe thread started out hillariously (and rightfully) about how extremely bad K-pop is in all aspects. Atleast the music that mainstream korean idiot kids listen to.

Korea has had alot of good singers in the past but none of them bitched out and went for this plastic fake fucking shit. A lot of male singers doing ballads whom I can not name and Younha come to mind. It's still pop music but it's not "Act like a disoriented idiotic 14 year old girl and giggle your way through music videos" style.

This thread really confirms my theory that about 90% of people do not hear music as the rest of us. They just listen to it do be cool. What makes them cool is different based on where they come from and in which clicks they hang out. Basically 90% of people are posers.


Of course KPop is trash, but it's still fun to talk about and sometimes fun to listen to if you take it for what it is - entertainment.

And the thing about some people listening to music differently than others, well that's a given and while in most situations discussing 'taste' is useless, I believe there are objective ways to differentiate between 'high quality' taste and 'low quality' taste.

My taste in movies, for example, is low quality. I don't know shit about directing, acting, lighting and all those other things. When I watch a movie I watch it as a whole and judging from my general impression and overall feel I decide if I like the movie or not. You can test this yourself if you try to explain to someone WHY you think something is good, if you can't describe it very well, then your taste is low quality. When movielovers explain to my why they think a particular movie or scene is good, I'm baffled about all those things they notice that never come to my mind.

Now for music I have high quality taste. I've been a long time hobby musician, I know exactly what I like and what not and why. Then there are others, professional musicians, they have even higher tastes, there are professors etc. The notion that everyone's taste is equal comes from that terrible trendy notion that all humans are equal, which is of course bullshit. There are people who can't even distinguish between the different instruments used in a song, hell there are even people who don't know what verse chorus bridge and interlude are. Of course those people can like and dislike songs too, just like I like and dislike movies, but their taste is of lower quality than mine. And that's not meant to be an insult, I'm perfectly fine to admit that I have low quality taste in many areas (fashion, photography, art, poetry, food, etc.). It's just that people have a hard time admitting that when it comes to music, because music is so accessible and everyone thinks they know something about it. (Just like philosophy - I'm a philosophy major and never talk about philosophy with 'regular' non scholars, because it always ends up being frustrating and fruitless).

In every area you have a high quality taste in, you will always notice that 95% of people around you don't, that's just the way it is and there's nothing bad about it. You say "you can't believe it", but what's so hard to believe about it, people just can't be interested in everything. You just need to know that your taste equally sucks in other areas, probably without you even realizing that.

PS: The post is supposed to sound arrogant, I'm fine with that. I think arrogance as a negative attribute is overrated.
@riotsnowbird
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
December 11 2009 12:28 GMT
#2739
i think the real problem is people are equating academic music with music that sounds good.

i love jazz, playing/listening/studying. but some jazz stuff is better academically, and others are better sounding. as an example, alot of old bebop stuff by coltrane and charlie parker are very interesting to study and very hard to play, but this doesnt make it better music. on the other hand, i really enjoy listening to jim hall - nowhere near as fun to study or analyse or as skillful and complex as others. both are equally valid types of music.

the validity and quality of the music depends on how it's judged

HEY MEYT
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
December 11 2009 15:15 GMT
#2740
On December 11 2009 19:50 LosingID8 wrote:
i always knew kang min kyung was pretty but she looked absolutely amazing at the GDAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zglMhdDuwI4


And meanwhile Lee HaeRi's hairstyle is so good for her... actually when I saw Davichi I liked her more than MinKyung haha. That single was so good though ~~
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