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Ugh, does this really need to be spelled out for the blind fanboys/fangirls?
The larger your group, the less you make, especially if you aren't the lead vocal. This goes doubly if your group is only of average or below average popularity, like MBLAQ/Infinite/Rainbow/etc. Solo artists of equal popularity make more because (shocker) they don't split income with 4-6-8 other people.
People make more $$ by acting in dramas, appearing on shows (appearance fees), and doing endorsements.
TVXQ's popularity pretty much dwarfed everything in SK, which is why they made so much more than other groups. However the artists themselves don't make a significant cut (as shown by TVXQ's lawsuit). Why? Because companies give you the choice of "sign this or f*** off" when you're a trainee. You don't get a choice. With SM, you either sign to a 10+ year contract at a pittance or you don't debut. What leverage do you think they have to get a better deal?
If you think IU's popularity hasn't skyrocketed, you're completely delusional. She's won on all the music shows (including her first ever Mutizen a few weeks ago), she's on Dream High and even stirred up rumors of them rewriting the plot to give her a larger role, and she was on other variety shows (including, I believe, Heroes and Idol Athletics), to much acclaim.
I imagine the industry as being similar to how the US pop/doo-wop industry was in the '60s. I picture the Brill Building/Phil Spector just churning artists in and out while the artists never see much of the profit.
On January 17 2011 03:37 Craton wrote: Ugh, does this really need to be spelled out for the blind fanboys/fangirls?
The larger your group, the less you make, especially if you aren't the lead vocal. This goes doubly if your group is only of average or below average popularity, like MBLAQ/Infinite/Rainbow/etc. Solo artists of equal popularity make more because (shocker) they don't split income with 4-6-8 other people.
People make more $$ by acting in dramas, appearing on shows (appearance fees), and doing endorsements.
TVXQ's popularity pretty much dwarfed everything in SK, which is why they made so much more than other groups. However the artists themselves don't make a significant cut (as shown by TVXQ's lawsuit). Why? Because companies give you the choice of "sign this or f*** off" when you're a trainee. You don't get a choice. With SM, you either sign to a 10+ year contract at a pittance or you don't debut. What leverage do you think they have to get a better deal?
If you think IU's popularity hasn't skyrocketed, you're completely delusional. She's won on all the music shows (including her first ever Mutizen a few weeks ago), she's on Dream High and even stirred up rumors of them rewriting the plot to give her a larger role, and she was on other variety shows (including, I believe, Heroes and Idol Athletics), to much acclaim.
I agree with everything you said, but is it really the lead vocal that makes the most money? The only reason I think this is questionable is because oftentimes the most popular member (and therefore the member who'll make the most in individual endorsements, appears the most on variety shows, etc.) is often not the lead vocal (Ji Eun is not the most popular in Secret, Luna not the most popular in f(x), etc.), so wouldn't it be the most popular/"visual" members that make the most?
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote: Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
Some groups divide CF, Drama money evenly among all the numbers. Some groups give all the CF, Drama money to the individual member. Of course in both cases, the management company takes 99% first.
On January 16 2011 14:59 GTR wrote: you do realise the artist will get like, one cent? korea's treatment of idol musicians is downright slavery.
actually idols like IU, hara, GD , narsha are very very rich.
Please post sources if you're going to declare facts that seem outlandish to the general population.
i only mentioned they few who have said so themselves. the only thing confirmed is that gd drives around in a white bentley, i dont know how much that says about his financial situation, but people with imported sedans sound rich to me.
I doubt IU is rich, shes like the worst idol, in terms of popularity.
2 months ago.
The fact that you can get away with posting 2 words in this thread is what makes it sooooo great. Shes just currently shining right now because the girls from the big league are off to japan, concert in SEA and slumping. If your refering to money, GTR's comment is spot on, regardless of whether its SNSD or a non-idol like yozoh.
why so angry? i was just replying to your post and its pretty spot on even with just 2 words and 1 number
Not angry. The fact is that a post can be useful if its a one-liner (or useless if its several paragraphs), but most mods don't understand that and think its a poor post if it doesn't have the quantity.
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote: Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.
On January 17 2011 12:14 Candide wrote: just found this i think some of you gee gee haters will enjoy it. LOL
That was (literally) posted in the second day of this thread's existence. Well, that one was actually posted later, but the original Younha covering Gee has been posted three times and this specific cover has been posted twice.
Please don't revert to December's episodes of reposting things for the nth time without first searching.
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote: Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.
What are you talking about? Taeyeon is the clear lead vocal of SNSD followed by Seohyun and then Jessica (when her voice isn't cracking). These aren't arbitrary roles decided by fans; the groups themselves list positions for members. It's brought up by Sunhwa in an episode of IY. It is not uncommon for large groups to have 2 or 3 lead vocals.
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote: Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.
What are you talking about? Taeyeon is the clear lead vocal of SNSD followed by Seohyun and then Jessica (when her voice isn't cracking). These aren't arbitrary roles decided by fans; the groups themselves list positions for members. It is not uncommon for large groups to have 2 or 3 lead vocals.
I think you are mistaken with her being leader (which does not equal lead vocal). She does have what it takes though, but because of the large amount of members, she only sings like 1~2 lines in a verse at most.
On January 17 2011 12:14 Candide wrote: just found this i think some of you gee gee haters will enjoy it. LOL
That was (literally) posted in the second day of this thread's existence.
Please don't revert to December's episodes of reposting things for the nth time without first searching.
On January 17 2011 12:19 ace246 wrote:
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote: Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.
What are you talking about? Taeyeon is the clear lead vocal of SNSD followed by Seohyun and then Jessica (when her voice isn't cracking). These aren't arbitrary roles decided by fans; the groups themselves list positions for members. It is not uncommon for large groups to have 2 or 3 lead vocals.
I think you are mistaken with her being leader (which does not equal lead vocal). She does have what it takes though, but because of the large amount of members, she only sings like 1~2 lines in a verse at most.
If u think taeyeon isn't the main/lead vocal and/or that all of snsd is equal amongst themselves in terms of vocals you are deaf or smoking some really good shit that i want. and her singing 1-2 lines at most (lol) is a part of having too many members and trying to evenly (also lol) distributing lyrics between those who can sing and can't. quite common for every group
edit: meh nvm shouldn't even bother in this thread anymore
Taeyeon has the most lines in most of their songs and the most face time in their title track MVs, either way.
Your lead vocals are your strongest vocals. They generally get the "harder" parts and sings the most individual lines. They also are the ones who are most chosen to do solo acts, collaborations, and/or sub-groups.
Same goes for Davichi but you dont see Haeri get as many acts, collaborations and the works because KMK overshadows her in appearance/popularity. Even though she is very capable in vocals too.
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