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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
January 16 2011 16:00 GMT
#20661
On January 17 2011 00:40 Lonyo wrote:
http://livekpop.com/2010/11/b2st’s-kikwang-reveals-his-annual-income.html

http://kpoptoday.com/kpop-news/2011/01/4039-news-singer-ius-earnings-for-the-year-2010.htm

http://www.allkpop.com/2009/12/tvxq_top_earnings_in_korea_for_2009


Note that the latter two are like, revenue though -- the question is "How much do they get after paying everyone else"
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 18:38:23
January 16 2011 18:37 GMT
#20662
Ugh, does this really need to be spelled out for the blind fanboys/fangirls?

The larger your group, the less you make, especially if you aren't the lead vocal. This goes doubly if your group is only of average or below average popularity, like MBLAQ/Infinite/Rainbow/etc. Solo artists of equal popularity make more because (shocker) they don't split income with 4-6-8 other people.

People make more $$ by acting in dramas, appearing on shows (appearance fees), and doing endorsements.

TVXQ's popularity pretty much dwarfed everything in SK, which is why they made so much more than other groups. However the artists themselves don't make a significant cut (as shown by TVXQ's lawsuit). Why? Because companies give you the choice of "sign this or f*** off" when you're a trainee. You don't get a choice. With SM, you either sign to a 10+ year contract at a pittance or you don't debut. What leverage do you think they have to get a better deal?

If you think IU's popularity hasn't skyrocketed, you're completely delusional. She's won on all the music shows (including her first ever Mutizen a few weeks ago), she's on Dream High and even stirred up rumors of them rewriting the plot to give her a larger role, and she was on other variety shows (including, I believe, Heroes and Idol Athletics), to much acclaim.
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Tippany
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States765 Posts
January 16 2011 19:45 GMT
#20663
I imagine the industry as being similar to how the US pop/doo-wop industry was in the '60s. I picture the Brill Building/Phil Spector just churning artists in and out while the artists never see much of the profit.
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
January 16 2011 20:25 GMT
#20664
On January 17 2011 03:37 Craton wrote:
Ugh, does this really need to be spelled out for the blind fanboys/fangirls?

The larger your group, the less you make, especially if you aren't the lead vocal. This goes doubly if your group is only of average or below average popularity, like MBLAQ/Infinite/Rainbow/etc. Solo artists of equal popularity make more because (shocker) they don't split income with 4-6-8 other people.

People make more $$ by acting in dramas, appearing on shows (appearance fees), and doing endorsements.

TVXQ's popularity pretty much dwarfed everything in SK, which is why they made so much more than other groups. However the artists themselves don't make a significant cut (as shown by TVXQ's lawsuit). Why? Because companies give you the choice of "sign this or f*** off" when you're a trainee. You don't get a choice. With SM, you either sign to a 10+ year contract at a pittance or you don't debut. What leverage do you think they have to get a better deal?

If you think IU's popularity hasn't skyrocketed, you're completely delusional. She's won on all the music shows (including her first ever Mutizen a few weeks ago), she's on Dream High and even stirred up rumors of them rewriting the plot to give her a larger role, and she was on other variety shows (including, I believe, Heroes and Idol Athletics), to much acclaim.

I agree with everything you said, but is it really the lead vocal that makes the most money? The only reason I think this is questionable is because oftentimes the most popular member (and therefore the member who'll make the most in individual endorsements, appears the most on variety shows, etc.) is often not the lead vocal (Ji Eun is not the most popular in Secret, Luna not the most popular in f(x), etc.), so wouldn't it be the most popular/"visual" members that make the most?
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 20:34:47
January 16 2011 20:29 GMT
#20665
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.
WriterXiao8~~
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 20:57:31
January 16 2011 20:57 GMT
#20666
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fucking love her<33
C r u m b l i n g
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 01:53:15
January 17 2011 01:52 GMT
#20667
wait..IU & her popularity?



and the fact that allkpop is full of IU related posts recently should be a damn clear sign...
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Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 17 2011 01:59 GMT
#20668
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote:
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.

Some groups divide CF, Drama money evenly among all the numbers. Some groups give all the CF, Drama money to the individual member. Of course in both cases, the management company takes 99% first.
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sharky246
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
1197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 03:00:33
January 17 2011 02:57 GMT
#20669
On January 17 2011 00:56 Hyaach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 00:25 frodoguy wrote:
On January 17 2011 00:17 Hyaach wrote:
On January 17 2011 00:01 frodoguy wrote:
On January 16 2011 23:52 iwantsushi wrote:
On January 16 2011 17:47 T.O.P. wrote:
On January 16 2011 17:01 iwantsushi wrote:
On January 16 2011 14:59 GTR wrote:
you do realise the artist will get like, one cent? korea's treatment of idol musicians is downright slavery.

actually idols like IU, hara, GD , narsha are very very rich.

Please post sources if you're going to declare facts that seem outlandish to the general population.

i only mentioned they few who have said so themselves. the only thing confirmed is that gd drives around in a white bentley, i dont know how much that says about his financial situation, but people with imported sedans sound rich to me.

I doubt IU is rich, shes like the worst idol, in terms of popularity.


2 months ago.


The fact that you can get away with posting 2 words in this thread is what makes it sooooo great. Shes just currently shining right now because the girls from the big league are off to japan, concert in SEA and slumping. If your refering to money, GTR's comment is spot on, regardless of whether its SNSD or a non-idol like yozoh.



why so angry?
i was just replying to your post and its pretty spot on even with just 2 words and 1 number


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TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
January 17 2011 02:59 GMT
#20670
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damn gurl
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Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
January 17 2011 02:59 GMT
#20671


Younha ^^
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
January 17 2011 03:01 GMT
#20672


Sista got it going on!
Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
January 17 2011 03:14 GMT
#20673
just found this i think some of you gee gee haters will enjoy it. LOL
ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
January 17 2011 03:19 GMT
#20674
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote:
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.


Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 05:53:08
January 17 2011 05:47 GMT
#20675
On January 17 2011 12:14 Candide wrote:
just found this i think some of you gee gee haters will enjoy it. LOL

That was (literally) posted in the second day of this thread's existence. Well, that one was actually posted later, but the original Younha covering Gee has been posted three times and this specific cover has been posted twice.

Please don't revert to December's episodes of reposting things for the nth time without first searching.

On January 17 2011 12:19 ace246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote:
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.


Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.

What are you talking about? Taeyeon is the clear lead vocal of SNSD followed by Seohyun and then Jessica (when her voice isn't cracking). These aren't arbitrary roles decided by fans; the groups themselves list positions for members. It's brought up by Sunhwa in an episode of IY. It is not uncommon for large groups to have 2 or 3 lead vocals.
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ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
January 17 2011 05:54 GMT
#20676
On January 17 2011 14:47 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 12:14 Candide wrote:
just found this i think some of you gee gee haters will enjoy it. LOL

That was (literally) posted in the second day of this thread's existence.

Please don't revert to December's episodes of reposting things for the nth time without first searching.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 12:19 ace246 wrote:
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote:
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.


Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.

What are you talking about? Taeyeon is the clear lead vocal of SNSD followed by Seohyun and then Jessica (when her voice isn't cracking). These aren't arbitrary roles decided by fans; the groups themselves list positions for members. It is not uncommon for large groups to have 2 or 3 lead vocals.


I think you are mistaken with her being leader (which does not equal lead vocal). She does have what it takes though, but because of the large amount of members, she only sings like 1~2 lines in a verse at most.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 06:09:48
January 17 2011 06:08 GMT
#20677
On January 17 2011 14:54 ace246 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 14:47 Craton wrote:
On January 17 2011 12:14 Candide wrote:
just found this i think some of you gee gee haters will enjoy it. LOL

That was (literally) posted in the second day of this thread's existence.

Please don't revert to December's episodes of reposting things for the nth time without first searching.

On January 17 2011 12:19 ace246 wrote:
On January 17 2011 05:29 Kipsate wrote:
Lead vocals are core to a group, if you have neither vocals nor looks or appeal then I suppose you make less then the rest. However I suppose alot of groups just divide the money equally among members(that is from sales) with the company getting like 99% of it. Variety shows and CF's is where the money is, but I don't even know if they get any money from that really. The amount of CF's you get is based upon your popularity, the more CF's and Variety shows you go on, the more money you can make individually from the group.


Thats not always the case where lead vocals are core to a group, they are more like an optional role which is viable and won't be much of a liability. SNSD is a good example, you can see how everyone is equal in that group, and when you try to decide which member is the best among the rest, you either end up with like 2 or 3, or you think they are all just as good.

What are you talking about? Taeyeon is the clear lead vocal of SNSD followed by Seohyun and then Jessica (when her voice isn't cracking). These aren't arbitrary roles decided by fans; the groups themselves list positions for members. It is not uncommon for large groups to have 2 or 3 lead vocals.


I think you are mistaken with her being leader (which does not equal lead vocal). She does have what it takes though, but because of the large amount of members, she only sings like 1~2 lines in a verse at most.


If u think taeyeon isn't the main/lead vocal and/or that all of snsd is equal amongst themselves in terms of vocals you are deaf or smoking some really good shit that i want.
and her singing 1-2 lines at most (lol) is a part of having too many members and trying to evenly (also lol) distributing lyrics between those who can sing and can't. quite common for every group

edit: meh nvm shouldn't even bother in this thread anymore
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ace246
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia360 Posts
January 17 2011 06:16 GMT
#20678
I thought lead vocal was the one who sings the most, guess i misunderstood.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 06:26:53
January 17 2011 06:20 GMT
#20679
Taeyeon has the most lines in most of their songs and the most face time in their title track MVs, either way.

Your lead vocals are your strongest vocals. They generally get the "harder" parts and sings the most individual lines. They also are the ones who are most chosen to do solo acts, collaborations, and/or sub-groups.

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Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
January 17 2011 06:25 GMT
#20680
Same goes for Davichi but you dont see Haeri get as many acts, collaborations and the works because KMK overshadows her in appearance/popularity. Even though she is very capable in vocals too.
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